if i state women are clintons demographics, am i saying she is a misandrist?

[seabeyond]

talking about demographics is not accusing our democratic candidates of anything. it is poliitical discussion, that every person that runs, discusses.

it is all about the math.



chris hayes did not call sanders a racist.

[snooper2]

1. Martin O'Malley appeals to everyone!

GET READY FOR BIG ANNOUNCEMENT TOMORROW!

Go Martin Go!



Here's him playing a little Johnny Cash

[seabeyond]

2. i have not research, listened to, or know much of anything about this man. i look forward

seeing what he has to offer. thanks snooper. son already playing me music, will check this out later. is that omalley playing? how fun!

[Rex]

3. I don't know, wouldn't it all depend on why they back her?

I do think so far she has a larger demographic base then Bernie Sanders does. That might change, but according to polls HRC has a very large group of supporters.

[seabeyond]

4. no. that is their reasoning. she speaks to women, they are her demographics. just the way

the political race works. women hear her message.

[Rex]

5. Then I would say no, you are not calling her a misandrist.

And that makes sense to me.

[MineralMan]

6. Of course not, but you're not running for President, either.

Looked at rationally, the Hayes comment is about the need for candidates to expand their base to include all demographic groups. It's all part of the struggle for name recognition and knowledge about the candidate. It's always a problem for candidates who don't already have national fame. Typically, it is an insurmountable problem.

[seabeyond]

8. which is exactly what we have been discussing on du, weeks before hayes. second, ...

what does me not running for pres mean? not allowed to discuss demographics?

[FBaggins]

7. I wouldn't say so... no

You could be saying that about some of her supporters if there was evidence that they were supporting her because of her gender... but even that would be a stretch. It would have to be someone who wasn't voting to support her, but to oppose another male in office.

[seabeyond]

9. ya. could, wouldnt do that anyway, cause i am not into the drama of it, but the analysis of it.

i agree with you.

[HockeyMom]

10. I voted for her for my Senator, but

I did not vote for her in Primary, but for Obama. Today? I have not made up my mind. Gender, nor age, is a factor for me. I will watch the debates, as before, between Hillary and Bernie before I make my decision. Apart from my gender, I am a few years short of both Hillary and Bernie.

I want to see them both debate each other before I decide.

[djean111]

11. I am a woman, and I will be voting for Bernie Sanders.

I think it is the epitome of hubris to state that women, as a bloc, are Hillary supporters. Not to mention I would not count on that, it is a losing strategy. I voted for Hillary in the (misguided and, yes, hubris-laden) Florida primary. Now that I have had time to judge actions and not words - I support Bernie Sanders. Gender has zip to do with my decision. Doesn't even make sense. really.

[CharlotteVale]

12. +1

[seabeyond]

13. really? you know, she only has 87% of black vote. mean all black? no, not 100%. i am a woman

and i am looking at sanders.

NOT the point of the post. but, whatever

[djean111]

14. I just think it is, in this enlightened age, ridiculous to say that women are Hillary's demographic

in any meaningful way as far as votes are concerned. If someone said that of course all men would vote for Bernie or O'Malley, there would be a pretty big outcry, methinks. I am coming from a life where I was treated scornfully as a woman, it affected my career and my personal life. My Feminism means that I award nothing on the basis of gender. And I could care less what all the other women are doing. I suffered through degrading interviews and job treatment, I stood up for myself and refused to do things if the other people - men - in my programming group did not have to do, I put my job on the line, for Feminism. And, at the same time, I endured a verbally and physically abusive husband, because that's what one did back then, of course. I have had promotions shot down by women seeking to prove themselves as tough. And been given great opportunities by men who merely wanted to know if I could do the job. And vice-versa. So when anyone refers to or counts on women as a bloc - oh, no, you don't. Don't count on me.
I have evolved past that. We are all people. Some are pretty bad, but we are all people. Anyone who could listen to Fiorina or Palin or Bachmann, or even Wasserman, and conclude women should stick together - you have missed the ultimate boat.

I admit that, as an old white woman, it seems to me to be magnitudes easier to be a woman than it is to be black. That is my belief.

Yeah, not quite the point of the OP, but "demographic" just pisses me off.

[seabeyond]

15. she has the NUMBERS. i have to wonder about the emotional committment i am seeing with an

analytical conversation about fuggin' numbers.

[djean111]

16. Maybe you should wonder about emotional commitment when it comes time to vote in the primaries.

Just sayin'. In a friendly way.

[seabeyond]

17. that makes no sense. the whole conversation makes no sense. i am talking basic demographic numbers

just analytic analysis of a political campaign.... too funny

[djean111]

18. I see where you are coming from, I really do! But I think it foolish to COUNT on demographic votes.

I say this because I keep reading that, as a Democratic woman, I am part of a demographic that will of course vote for Hillary.
And I will not. And, some of the reason for that is because I am a woman. Not funny at all. But yes, done with this exchange.

[seabeyond]

19. who gets a 100%? better damn straight look at the numbers. all the difference between a win and loss

she has 87% of black vote. that is not a lie, or to trick anyone. it lets sanders know, he had better sit up and pay attention. start addressing concerns they want to hear

TOO WIN THE PRIMARY

this is not woo woo science.

it behooves no one to believe that they will just magically switch over.

running a campaign is about courting those votes.

or

you lose

[djean111]

20. Well, then, you should emerge from the primaries triumphantly. No need to fuss.

The funny thing about all of this is that, when folks started saying hey! campaign speeches do not actually come true! we are told oh, campaign speeches are just rhetoric. I do not listen to campaign speeches. Ever. And today an OP was floated that oh, gosh, a president is really a helpless thing anyways. So, I guess, why bother with all of this sturm und drang, or something.
As far as I am concerned, all any prospective candidate needs to announce is that they are going to run for president. Then I can look at their website, look at what they have actually done so far, stuff like that. I think it very odd to base a vote on a speech.

[seabeyond]

21. first sentence. i am a sander supporter. ya ya, i know. i do not fit in the box. i actually want him

to gain votes....

my bad