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Why I'm casting my vote for Senator Clinton (Original Post) Aviation Pro May 2015 OP
If only she could be trusted to stare down Wall Street. nt el_bryanto May 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #9
A Hollywood film depicted as a representation of reality FlatBaroque May 2015 #31
It's a little early. Buzz Clik May 2015 #2
Why would I do that? daleanime May 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 May 2015 #4
Stare down... Aviation Pro May 2015 #7
Pass kenfrequed May 2015 #14
Exactly n/t arcane1 May 2015 #25
Gawd, I have missed you! No one can toss out those manly bits like you! LOL! freshwest May 2015 #58
So, 'rattling sabres' then. Maedhros May 2015 #66
If she directs that staredown at Putin, He's gonna burst into flames misterhighwasted May 2015 #5
i was leaning toward Clinton.... chillfactor May 2015 #6
Let's talk.I'd like to hear why you think Bernie Sanders has baggage.... NEVER SUMMER May 2015 #20
***crickets*** DirtyHippyBastard May 2015 #37
Welcome to DU, BOTH of you! DirtyHippyBastard and also NEVER SUMMER! calimary May 2015 #63
Thanks DirtyHippyBastard May 2015 #64
Because the word 'socialist' is a death knell in US politics.... JaneyVee May 2015 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #46
Thats what WE know.. VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #52
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I am afraid of losing to one of the clown car VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #56
You're preaching to the choir, but... JaneyVee May 2015 #65
Satire, right? whatchamacallit May 2015 #8
Nope... Aviation Pro May 2015 #10
I see... sell her with a little nonsensical fox-news-style fear whatchamacallit May 2015 #22
I always enjoy invocations of the Putin monster FlatBaroque May 2015 #32
Haha exactly whatchamacallit May 2015 #33
No flame here lookatme May 2015 #11
Yeah, I know. TM99 May 2015 #61
Pray tell what staring him down means. Or what it would accomplish? HERVEPA May 2015 #12
See #7 above... Aviation Pro May 2015 #13
And in real life rather than your dreams, how does she accomplish that? HERVEPA May 2015 #17
I hope the answer doesnt involve more balls grabbing. nt bunnies May 2015 #21
I believe subtlety is not a strong suit for the poster HERVEPA May 2015 #24
Am I the only one who remembers the reset button? merrily May 2015 #15
The natural gas industry won't let her take on Putin unless it suits them. NYC_SKP May 2015 #18
Agreed....BUT clarice May 2015 #16
Lanny Watkins? Do you mean Lanny Davis? dreamnightwind May 2015 #26
you are so correct. Lanny Watkins is a golfer. lololol. Thanks nt clarice May 2015 #39
LOL, good one nt Logical May 2015 #19
I would be glad to take my chances with Hillary, she has lots of foreign experience and has Thinkingabout May 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2015 #27
You don't think Pooty-poot would be scared of Rand Paul and his rug? KamaAina May 2015 #28
No flames from me... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #29
she's a conservative PatrynXX May 2015 #35
"I trust her about as much as Putin" awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #36
LOL. Look up what conservatives stand for. JaneyVee May 2015 #42
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She is not....ridic VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #54
Tough guys Bush & Co let Axis of Evil North Korea develop and build fraking NUKES on their watch KeepItReal May 2015 #30
Shed fold in a heartbeat :( PatrynXX May 2015 #34
Cold War v2 FTW!!! PowerToThePeople May 2015 #38
I think they'll come to an agreement. I want to see her rip into the VRWC. ucrdem May 2015 #40
Glad to see you on board with Hillary. hrmjustin May 2015 #43
WOLVERINES!!! frylock May 2015 #44
She also is the one I trust to stare down the Republicans in what will be no doubt an ugly campaign. DCBob May 2015 #45
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I haven't heard that show but I also haven't heard Bernie say a word about Republicans. ucrdem May 2015 #50
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Thanks, and you know what? He does have GOP appeal. But to me that's not enough. ucrdem May 2015 #53
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His most memorable quote regarding Republicans: freshwest May 2015 #62
the choices she made as SoS were poor ...nt quadrature May 2015 #49
In the absence of any substance or policy commitments in her campaign CentralMass May 2015 #60
Foolishness. Warmongering phony tough and armchair brave is not at all what we need. TheKentuckian May 2015 #59
A slight correction davidpdx May 2015 #67

Response to el_bryanto (Reply #1)

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
31. A Hollywood film depicted as a representation of reality
Fri May 29, 2015, 06:31 PM
May 2015

when, in reality, it is a fraud. Overall, given the heavy dose of irony, a very apt reason to vote for Sec. Clinton.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
3. Why would I do that?
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:31 PM
May 2015

Your opinion is your opinion.



Now, I do think you're wrong, but that's 'my' opinion.

Response to Aviation Pro (Original post)

Aviation Pro

(12,125 posts)
7. Stare down...
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:35 PM
May 2015

...as in figuratively grab the little Colonel by the nut sack and walk his emboldened ass back to his border where he belongs. It takes someone with an iron constitution to do that and she's got the juice to do so.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
5. If she directs that staredown at Putin, He's gonna burst into flames
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:34 PM
May 2015

Same with the Clown Car.

Like a backyard bug zapper.
Zzzzzzzzzzzap Zaaap Zap zap Zzzzzap

Take em down Hillary!

chillfactor

(7,573 posts)
6. i was leaning toward Clinton....
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:35 PM
May 2015

but the more I hear about O'Malley...the better I like him for the top spot....he doesn't carry the baggage Clinton and Sanders do..

 

NEVER SUMMER

(26 posts)
20. Let's talk.I'd like to hear why you think Bernie Sanders has baggage....
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:51 PM
May 2015

I'm quite surprised, considering his consistency.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
63. Welcome to DU, BOTH of you! DirtyHippyBastard and also NEVER SUMMER!
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:22 AM
May 2015

Very glad you're both here! I am voting strictly for the Supreme Court picker. I happen to think it'll be Hillary. She's not perfect and I once chose Barack Obama over her precisely because of their differing stands on the Iraq War. Still, there's a lot I can live with, and quite a bit I actually like.

That said, if Bernie Sanders winds up with the nomination, I wouldn't have a complaint in the world. And I would - and I WILL - enthusiastically support him. The more I hear, the more I like. Wonder if they'd team up?

Even so, there remains a huge part of me that yearns to see a woman in charge, for a change. It's just time. And we finally have an experienced one available who's truly and objectively qualified. FORTY-FOUR Presidents of the United States in the not-so-lengthy life of this country, and they've ALL been men. With so much at stake that directly and even intimately involves the female population of this country - AND of this planet, for that matter - I am driven to send a woman up to bat for a change. I want the female mindset managing things. It's far more likely to bring more empathy to its approach. Harry Reid recently said that the biggest improvement he's noticed in all his years in the Senate was the influx of more women. There are 20 women in the Senate now. He said the women got more work done. Women were far more collegial, just on general principles. He said with the women it was always about "let's solve this problem" instead of the posturing and pulling political stunts and power plays and other assorted testosterone displays that can be seen all too frequently on the male side.

When I see what the predominantly male leadership in this country has done, despite women being in the majority, and I see the destructive, counterproductive, agenda-driven mess we've got on our hands, I just find myself saying "SHIT! We've GOTTA get a different mindset in here!" Quite simply, with women, dare I say it tends not to be about needing to prove how big one's dick is all the time.

DirtyHippyBastard

(217 posts)
64. Thanks
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:40 AM
May 2015

for the welcome. I've been a lurker here for years and only recently got the urge to join in the conversation... there seems to be so many people around here whose opinions nearly mirror my own that I could no longer sit in the shadows.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
41. Because the word 'socialist' is a death knell in US politics....
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:55 PM
May 2015

I love Bernie, but that's going to be a hard stereotype to demolish.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #41)

Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #52)

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
56. I am afraid of losing to one of the clown car
Fri May 29, 2015, 10:58 PM
May 2015

You damn skippy.....enough to not want to gamble on the "Socialist"

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
65. You're preaching to the choir, but...
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:17 AM
May 2015

Try convincing the 65 million Americans it will take to vote him into the White House of that.

 

lookatme

(54 posts)
11. No flame here
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:39 PM
May 2015

I don't think there's any countries President , dictator , prime minister or who ever that would think
Hillary is soft .

She's one tough cookie and they all know it

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
18. The natural gas industry won't let her take on Putin unless it suits them.
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:49 PM
May 2015

I don't see here standing up to anyone in the way described by the OP.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
16. Agreed....BUT
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:45 PM
May 2015

I don't know if I'm ready for the same cast of characters that we saw during Bill.
Lanny Watkins, Susan Estridge , Carville, Thomasas, etc etc.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
26. Lanny Watkins? Do you mean Lanny Davis?
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

and yeah I don't like those people either. Mark Penn anyone? Ugh.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
23. I would be glad to take my chances with Hillary, she has lots of foreign experience and has
Fri May 29, 2015, 04:59 PM
May 2015

Lots of negotiating experience. Obama had enough confidence in Hillary to select her as SOS. Puts a big plus in her column.

Response to Aviation Pro (Original post)

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. No flames from me...
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

I am a Bernie guy right now, but I think any flames should be pointed to the right. The GOP is the enemy, we don't need to rip our candidates apart.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
35. she's a conservative
Fri May 29, 2015, 07:36 PM
May 2015

I have a problem with that. I don't consider her a Democrat at all. has mostly to do with a severe lack of trust and I seriously have no trust in here. I trust her about as much as Putin

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #42)

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
30. Tough guys Bush & Co let Axis of Evil North Korea develop and build fraking NUKES on their watch
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:27 PM
May 2015

Being perceived to be tough means nothing.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
45. She also is the one I trust to stare down the Republicans in what will be no doubt an ugly campaign.
Fri May 29, 2015, 09:02 PM
May 2015

She has the experience and she knows their tactics and is totally not afraid.

Response to DCBob (Reply #45)

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
50. I haven't heard that show but I also haven't heard Bernie say a word about Republicans.
Fri May 29, 2015, 10:45 PM
May 2015

On Barack and Hillary he's a font of populist righteousness but what about Mitch and John and Rand and Chris and Jeb and Rick? That's just one of several reasons I have not a glimmer of doubt that HRC is a better choice for 2016.

Response to ucrdem (Reply #50)

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
53. Thanks, and you know what? He does have GOP appeal. But to me that's not enough.
Fri May 29, 2015, 10:55 PM
May 2015

I get that he appeals to disaffected middle-class voters but that was Nixon's constituency too. I want a Dem who is not afraid to be a Dem and to support Dem policies and pols and yes that includes TPP which I for the life of me cannot understand the voracious antipathy toward. Okay I can understand it but unless you're predisposed to hate Dems one can't help but be suspicious of it and sure enough it turns out to be bogus. I've got several recent OPs in my journal explaining why in case you think I'm some kind of globalist nut.

Response to ucrdem (Reply #53)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
62. His most memorable quote regarding Republicans:
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:38 PM
May 2015
To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. “No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17572/bernie_sanders_president

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6140372#top

“You’ve got a billionaire class … that can spend as much money as they want,” said Sanders, who noted Republican contenders must compete in the “Sheldon Adelson primary for campaign funding.” “That’s not what democracy’s about.”

In an interview after his speech, Sanders said the U.S. government, and in particular Republicans in control of Congress, seem more concerned with protecting the rich than helping the poor and the declining middle class.

“There needs to be a political debate about the real issues,” Sanders said, adding that’s one reason he would run — to ensure the issues don’t get lost in all the political name-calling and campaign distractions.

“People don’t care about Clinton’s emails,” he said by way of an example, but do care about “jobs, wages, health care.”


http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/elections/vermont-populist-rallies-las-vegas-union-members-take-billionaire-class

Bernie knows who the enemies of democracy are with their says political name calling. Bernie has run a positive campaign and not said one word against Hillary. There is a reason for that. He causcuses with the Democrats and knows what is really important.

Sanders was asked if he would have a “civil debate” with Clinton in the months to come, given her status as a member of the political establishment he said he did not represent, and given that she has been widely criticised on matters regarding her wealth. On Friday she and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, said they had earned more than $25m in speaking fees since January 2014.

“I’ve never run a negative political ad in my life,” Sanders said I believe in serious debates on serious issues. I’ve known Hillary Clinton for 25 years. Maybe I shouldn’t say this: I like Hillary Clinton. I respect Hillary Clinton.

Will the media, among others, allow us to have a civil debate on civil issues? Or is the only way you get media attention by ripping apart somebody else?”


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/17/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-spoiler

I doubt either of these candidates will make negative remarks about each other. It is beneath them.

If Hillary wins the nomination, which I still say is not a sure thing, listen for the sound of the bus when Bernie endorses her and urges people to vote for her.



I expect Clinton to endorse and campaign for Sanders if he wins, just as she did for Obama in 2008 after a very bitter race.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
60. In the absence of any substance or policy commitments in her campaign
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:12 PM
May 2015

I am making my own guesses as to where she really stands on the issues.

I suspect that she is:

1. Pro Keystone XL pipeline.
2. Pro TPP
3. Pro Monsanto & GMO's
4. Pro fracking
5. Pro Wall Street
6. ..

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
67. A slight correction
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:37 AM
May 2015

If you are going to use a title, you should refer to her as Secretary Clinton as that is her highest previous title. Even as someone who doesn't support her I would do that as a courtesy.

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