Bernie Supporters, Will you vote for Hillary in the General if she is the nominee?

[Logical]

Since the Hillary supporters are already starting to accuse us getting a GOP candidate elected in 2016 because we are "attacking" Hillary, I thought we could let them know if we will still vote for Hillary.

I know I will. I would never vote for a Republican.

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	Yes, if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I WILL vote for her in the General Election
	10 (71%)
	No, if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I WILL NOT vote for her in the General Election
	4 (29%)
	3 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[bigwillq]

1. No

I don't like Hillary and I will not vote for her. Fortunately, I live in CT, a state where recent trends suggest the DEM nominee will win in. The DEM nominee will likely win my state with or without my vote, so I am free to explore other options. If polls suggest that the race in my state will be close, I will reconsider my vote.

[BeyondGeography]

14. If Dems in deep red states took that approach

We'd never win the popular vote. I know it's all about electoral votes for the win, but popular vote matters a lot in terms of mandate/clout, and gives the President more leverage in his/her dealings with Congress.

I understand your thinking, but there's a cost to it if it were broadly applied.

[merrily]

23. On the other hand, what is the likelihood of broad application? History shows most disaffected

people just don't vote at all.

[BeyondGeography]

33. Your vote matters is the point

Particularly if you're a Democrat. Bush lost the popular vote and proceeded to govern as if he was Reagan, post-1984, with the full support of the media. It doesn't work that way for our side, which everyone should understand by now.

[merrily]

35. That's debatable and your example proves it. Bush did lose the popular vote. Some would argue both

times. Yet, he acted as though he had a mandate. Obama won strong in 2008 and acted as though he had less than half the vote. I voted all three times because I happen to love voting. But, it didn't matter.

[BeyondGeography]

45. Obama's strong PV win in in 2012 helped him to roll back tax cuts on the rich

You think that wouldn't have been any harder if he had won a disputed election and lost the PV?

[merrily]

47. You've moved the goal post now to a disputed election and a loss of the PV, which is quite a leap

from where the discussion started. When someone does something like that, discussion doesn't seem to me to be their objective, so I'll stop after this post.

I don't think the vote changed what Obama did.

BTW, I live in Boston, the bluest area of the only state that went for McGovern.

[BeyondGeography]

50. It's easy

The PV has value. Vote for the Democrat next November.

[on point]

58. Actually he caved and FAILED to remove Bush tax cuts

All he had to do was not sign the watered down partial roll back and ALL of Bush tax cuts would have expired. He didn't use his mandate at all.

[Art_from_Ark]

37. Bush didn't win the popular vote in 2000

He trailed Gore by more than 530,000 votes. But he certainly acted like he had a huge mandate, and he had a compliant Congress.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. I am so going to love this board after my beloved Hillary wrests the nomination./NT

[marym625]

3. Will you vote for Senator Sanders if he wins the nomination?

Because he will

[trumad]

6. Of course I will...

Because I'm not a Pureotopian.

[marym625]

8. okey dokey then

Just curious

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Let me answer it this way...

I voted in some twenty elections and I have never pulled the lever for a Republican.

I left the part of the ballot where you vote for Agricultural Commissioner in Florida blank because the clown , Charles Bronson (D), crossed party lines to support Jeb Bush in his 1998 gubernatorial race against Buddy MacKay.

[marym625]

13. Same here

Except the Florida part.

[merrily]

21. That doesn't answer the question since there are other parties and write in is also possible, as is

staying home. However, it doesn't matter. The question should not even be asked in the first place.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I never voted third Party or stayed home* when there was a Democrat on the ticket.

I don't know how it is now but at one time the Democratic party in Seminole County, Florida was so weak that they didn't even field candidates for some down ballot races. In those instances the candidates were a Libertarian and a Republican and in those instances I left it blank. My vote is precious to me and I use it judiciously. That's why I didn't vote for Charles Bronson.






*Well actually I stayed home a lot because I voted absentee ballot several times.

[merrily]

32. I know how you will vote. I was just pointing out that your reply had not covered all bases.

I've requested an absentee ballot. I tell myself, it's insurance. But, you have to send it in before election day. I always let the mailing deadline pass, though. Truth is, I have a near insane love of going to the polls on election day, even if it means waiting on line in freezing rain. Being in Boston, I always have a Dem on the ballot. But, if I lived somewhere else, I'd write in.

[DanTex]

9. If Bernie or O'Malley win, I will be too busy watching all the pigs flying across the sky.

[trumad]

12. .

[marym625]

15. so you won't be voting in the general?

Or you will vote for a third party or, dog forbid, an R

[Agschmid]

34. Hey man welcome back.

[Agschmid]

49. Notice they are off to watch pigs fly...

[Logical]

57. Classy as usual! Remember Hillary lost a 30 point lead in 2008! lol. nt

[merrily]

25. "wrests' the nomination? She has a huge lead.

[PeteSelman]

4. It's either that or what?

It's either vote for her or vote for someone even worse. I'm so sick of having to vote against the worse person. I actually voted for Obama the first time, thinking we were actually going to get what we truly needed. Went right back to voting against the worse person the next time.

This rigged game has me so disenchanted I often wonder why I even bother anymore.

[trumad]

7. You forgot a 3rd option.

No because I'm a fucking big mouth idiot for not voting in a very important election.

[LWolf]

10. Ask me if that ever comes to pass.

I'll decide whom to cast my vote for in the GE when the time comes.

For now, the fight is to nominate someone I'd be voting for, rather than casting a vote against the Republican.

[marym625]

16. +1000

[merrily]

17. There was one of these polls a few days ago. How many damned loyalty oaths does DU need?

[marym625]

24. I didn't see the other

Maybe this poster didn't either.

Though I totally understand your frustration

[merrily]

28. Have you missed all of them? Plus all the ordinary posts requesting such declarations?

I thought we Joe Mccarthy was dead and this was a left board. I also thought we had a right to a secret vote.

[marym625]

38. He is dead.

Unfortunately, his thoughts are not and have taken on many different incarnations.

I have seen the question within different posts a bunch of times. But this is the first actual poll I have seen

You are correct in your anger and criticism. I 100% agree with you. I would have been right there with you up through today. But I have realized that DU is DU and there are just things that are what they are. No way is that going to change. Really obvious as of this last week. So I have 3 choices; be angry, leave, or, accept the things I cannot change. Don't want to be angry, don't want to leave and, not being part of TPTB here, I accept that things are what they are.

[merrily]

39. I am not angry, but I do have criticism and I will express it.

If someone were holding a gun to my head, forcing me to answer the question, I might be angry, but no one is, so I'm only voicing my objection to being asked again and again.

[marym625]

42. and you should

Absolutely. I am only stating my current thoughts on it. That's all.

[Logical]

59. LOL, no one is forcing you to respond to this poll. Wow, lighten up! nt

[merrily]

60. Um, my reply 39 said no one's forcing me to respond, nor did I respond, so, clearly, I got that bit.

It also said I'm not angry. None of which means I am not going to express my objection.

[MiniMe]

18. I will vote for whoever the democratic nominee is

No ifs, ands or buts

[aikoaiko]

22. And the jury results are in ....

Im glad DU defended your OP adamantly

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[marym625]

27. Love Juror 6

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I understand the alerter's frustration but I think #1 and #6 are quite correct

[Logical]

31. Wow, I never dreamed this would be alerted. I so wish I knew who alerted it. Thanks for posting! nt

[merrily]

40. I wish this kind of bs poll would end of its own accord. However, it's not hideworthy.

[7962]

62. Who the hell would alert THIS??

[HereSince1628]

29. Feeding anxiety doesn't fix it. n/t

[merrily]

41. Interesting that you think anxiety is the cause of DU's incessant left bashing.

That never occurred to me. I'll have to consider that possibility.

[HereSince1628]

44. It sure looks like anxiety to me... with a tinge of a display of 'Us-ness'

It's elevation of a remotely possible and distant event to an immediate and significant problem. That worry seeks a supply of reassurance, which is to say, it turns to outsiders to fix the personal worry.

Then there is the statement that essentially says, don't worry about me, I'm a good one of Us.

On reflection that statement seems to be a response to worrying about the question "Am I seen as a good member of Us?"

[merrily]

46. More material for mulling. Thanks.

The eagerness to say, "Yes, I will say I am going to do what you want," I interpret as approval seeking. I refuse to engage in it, but I get the motivation. The motive for the original request, sometimes demand, for the loyalty oath, though, is not as evident to me.

For one thing, eliciting the wrong answer can lead to a hide or banning. That was more of a consideration before I saw the poll indicating a ten to one difference here between left and right. For another, a loyalty oath is requested more by those on the right, be it the political right or DU's right.

Surely, both left and right are capable of being anxious about the outcome of a primary? Yet, I have not seen a single poll about "If Bernie wins the primary, will you vote for him?"

And these requests about voting for Hillary in the general no matter what, began, often with a degree of insistence, when Hillary's numbers were sky high and no one had yet even mentioned exploring mounting a challenge to her.

[chillfactor]

30. I will vote for whomever....

our nominee is....those saying they will not vote for Hillary just plain do a disservice to our party..guess they would rather see a republican president in office...how sick it that?

[Exilednight]

36. I'm taking the wait and see approach. Let's first see IF she wins, and IF she

Does, then I will reevaluate my position.

[rock]

43. I am both a Hillary supporter and a Bernie supporter

So obviously my answer is YES!

[cali]

48. this gets posted about once a week

[LostOne4Ever]

51. Though I remain overall uncommitted at this time, I am probably going to end up voting for Sanders

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Regardless, I WILL vote for the democratic candidate in the general.

That said, I feel very detached from both Bernie and Hillary in that, by the time it is primary time in my state, the democratic candidate will already have been chosen. So I see no reason to get to involved in the primary wars going on here at DU.[/font]

[Bagsgroove]

52. She's not my first choice but

The only thing that would keep me from voting for her over whoever the Republicans nominate would be if she moves into some kind of "hawk" mode on military intervention. I've pretty much reached the point where I can't bring myself to pull the lever for another war maker even if I like his/her other positions.

If she starts with the "let's get tough" talk on Syria or Iraq or Russia or anyplace else...well, there is always some poor Green Party guy out there who could use a symbolic thumbs-up.

[hrmjustin]

53. Good post.

I think only a handful will not vote for the nominee.

[Logical]

56. Which is great and should make Hillary supporters happy. nt

[John_Doe80004]

54. i will vote for hillary if she is nominated

even though there has been time where i voted "R", the current republican clown car has nothing to offer except to take their state policies national and turn the entire nation into a giant detroit.

i do wish Hillary would come out against the TPP and Fast Track.

[IVoteDFL]

55. I will vote for her because she will be the lesser of two evils

I wont be enthusiastic about it though. I usually like to be involved in elections, but I just can't imagine making any donations or volunteering for her.

[peecoolyour]

61. Absolutely. I'm only 27.

And the prospect of more Scalias on the bench scares the fuck out of me.