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RandySF

(58,454 posts)
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:27 PM May 2015

Man Sues Dept. Of Ed. Over Teaching Evolution To Aspiring Veterinarian Daughter

A West Virginia man has decided to sue government officials for teaching evolution in schools, saying it is hampering his daughter's dream to become a veterinarian.

Kenneth Smith's lawsuit says that education officials are violating the Constitution and infringing the civil rights of his daughter by "propagating" the "religion" of evolution, according to the Charleston Daily Mail.

“Their actions during the 2014-2015 school year affects my child’s future directly through the state grading system to enter college and the ability to earn economic security and a good job in her chosen veterinarian medical field of work, by being taught a faith base (evolutionary ideology) that just doesn’t exist and has no math to back it,” the lawsuit reportedly said.

Acting as his own lawyer, Smith filed suit at the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of West Virginia on May 12, suing everyone from the state Superintendent to U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, the Mail reported.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kenneth-smith-west-virginia-evolution

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Man Sues Dept. Of Ed. Over Teaching Evolution To Aspiring Veterinarian Daughter (Original Post) RandySF May 2015 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2015 #1
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fun until the case gets swiftly chucked out cali May 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2015 #26
Acting as his own lawyer because William Jennings Bryan wasn't available. Chiyo-chichi May 2015 #28
I assumed that we were hearing about it only because he was being bankrolled. Orsino May 2015 #34
"A man who is his own attorney has a fool for a client." Initech May 2015 #35
Evolution has not math to back it...that's just sad HereSince1628 May 2015 #3
this does not compute - now if they are teaching creationism, that can qualify as a religion hollysmom May 2015 #4
No, your creationist belief is keeping your daughter from being a muntrv May 2015 #5
Oh, she shouldn't learn the very basis of biology? Arugula Latte May 2015 #6
No wonder more and more people are leaving religion and its lies. Time to put lies, stories and RKP5637 May 2015 #7
Wait...what? cyberswede May 2015 #8
Whoa, spot the loony! Warpy May 2015 #9
I would love to be in the gallery awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #10
There won't be a trial. hifiguy May 2015 #15
Well, if a lawyer who represents him/herself has... 3catwoman3 May 2015 #11
He's an author, too BklnDem75 May 2015 #12
Read the reviews.... HooptieWagon May 2015 #13
I'm hoping for more BklnDem75 May 2015 #16
My experience as a judicial clerk hifiguy May 2015 #14
The lord is my Sheppard silenttigersong May 2015 #17
Man who filed evolution-as-religion lawsuit filed earlier similar suits struggle4progress May 2015 #18
This should be interesting, but in West Virginia anything can happen. Pass the .... Exilednight May 2015 #19
He's on a nugatory endeavor and doing a stellar job. Solly Mack May 2015 #20
Flu viruses mutate all the time, I call that Evolution for Dummies Gloria May 2015 #21
A lot of these loonies are antivaxers, too Warpy May 2015 #22
Here is the math: Labrador + Poodle = Labradoodle n/t GreatGazoo May 2015 #23
Man publicly admits he has no brain. hobbit709 May 2015 #24
Quite an assumption - does he have ANY idea how hard it is to get into a Vet school??? underpants May 2015 #27
There are some states with NO Vet schools... Johnyawl May 2015 #32
Yep - relative in WV underpants Jun 2015 #36
Teh Stooopid never ends in 'Merka. nt valerief May 2015 #29
Feel sorry for the daughters whatever her qualifications are now overshadowed dembotoz May 2015 #30
Has anyone noticed the cover of his book? nichomachus May 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Johnyawl May 2015 #33
She doesn't eat meat, so she's becoming a veterinarian... n/t backscatter712 Jun 2015 #37
Calling evolution a religion, weird. . . B Calm Jun 2015 #38

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Orsino

(37,428 posts)
34. I assumed that we were hearing about it only because he was being bankrolled.
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:11 PM
May 2015

I guess that's a relief.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
3. Evolution has not math to back it...that's just sad
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:33 PM
May 2015

and the guy thinks he knows something about the terrible things his daughter is being taught.


hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
4. this does not compute - now if they are teaching creationism, that can qualify as a religion
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:34 PM
May 2015

and that can hurt your future in college if you want to be vet, with biology and such. are we sure this article is not just backwards? it doesn't seem to work for me the way it is written.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
5. No, your creationist belief is keeping your daughter from being a
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:44 PM
May 2015

veterinarian. She needs to know science.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
7. No wonder more and more people are leaving religion and its lies. Time to put lies, stories and
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:49 PM
May 2015

superstitions to rest and deal with reality, the reality of evolution. Unfit to be a parent!

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
8. Wait...what?
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:49 PM
May 2015

She wants to go into a scientifically-based field, and he thinks learning about evolution will hamper her chances?

Ok, let her write all about intelligent design on her first biology exam & see what kind of grade she gets.

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
9. Whoa, spot the loony!
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:49 PM
May 2015

Veterinary school requires hard science and evolutionary science is part of that. Whether or not she chooses to compartmentalize it away in a "remember it long enough to pass the test" place, she's going to have to learn it long enough for that.

Fortunately, . “He Who Is His Own Lawyer Has a Fool for a Client” as the old legal adage goes. He doesn't have a chance of winning this one, not even in WV.

I just wonder if his daughter is old and sensible enough to be mortified that her daddy is publicly crazy.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. There won't be a trial.
Sat May 30, 2015, 09:34 PM
May 2015

Any judge worth the title will bounce this at the first hearing and probably slap this nitwit for court costs in the bargain.

3catwoman3

(23,943 posts)
11. Well, if a lawyer who represents him/herself has...
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:51 PM
May 2015

...a fool for a client, that must be doubly true for a non-lawyer self-representing.

And his premise is totally bonkers.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. My experience as a judicial clerk
Sat May 30, 2015, 09:30 PM
May 2015

Tells me that this pinhead will get bounced out of court pronto but not before the judge dresses him down in no uncertain terms on the record and assessing court costs against him. Judges loathe nutty pro se litigants.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
17. The lord is my Sheppard
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:24 PM
May 2015

Perhaps,she could just use faith healing on a chimpanzee.Why she could start a church,and call it all dogs go to heaven

struggle4progress

(118,214 posts)
18. Man who filed evolution-as-religion lawsuit filed earlier similar suits
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:36 PM
May 2015

Thursday, May 28, 2015
Andrea Lannom

... Kenneth Smith of Harpers Ferry filed one federal lawsuit in 2007 and another in 2010 ... In his 2007 federal lawsuit, Smith said the Jefferson County Board of Education restricted the “teaching of pertinent scientific and historical knowledge” by teaching the Human Genome Project ... He claimed in his lawsuit that while working at the Central Reference Laboratory in Anaheim, Calif., he discovered the “missing link” in his theory of the “Human Genetic Normal” ... In his 2010 federal lawsuit against the state and the National Institute for Health, Smith claimed the school system misappropriated tax dollars to support an “ideology scientific religious belief” ... Both lawsuits were ultimately dismissed ...

- See more at: http://www.charlestondailymail.com/article/20150528/DM02/150529281/1420#sthash.pE2gLXl2.dpuf

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
21. Flu viruses mutate all the time, I call that Evolution for Dummies
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:03 AM
May 2015

Jeez, are these people for real? Infantile nonesense in their blind faith...

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
22. A lot of these loonies are antivaxers, too
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:16 AM
May 2015

and have never accepted the germ theory of contagious illness. They'd rather pray and call in the preacher to cast out the demons if their own prayers fail to coax the patient out of bed and back to work.

underpants

(182,588 posts)
27. Quite an assumption - does he have ANY idea how hard it is to get into a Vet school???
Sun May 31, 2015, 08:46 AM
May 2015

There are usually MAYBE two Vet schools in any state and it is very competitive to get accepted. The schools don't want to waste their time on someone who can't cut it so the acceptance process is exhaustive.

Up to 6 WV residents are accepted at out-of-state schools per year with in-state tuition rates.

Can't cut and paste - Google West Virginia vet schools and see the Marshall U pre-vet major link


Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
32. There are some states with NO Vet schools...
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:27 PM
May 2015

...My son just graduated from Washington State College of Veterinary Medicine (the only one in Washington State), and they are partnered with Idaho, Montana & Utah to provide "in-state" tuition spots for students from those three states as they do not have Vet schools themselves. The only states I know of that have more than one Vet school are NY and CA, and to my knowledge they each have one state Vet school and one private Vet school.

You're right, underpants, Vet schools are extremely difficult to get into, of my son's 105 classmates about 50% of them had to apply at least twice to get accepted. WSU brags about how rigorous their acceptance process and how successful they are at picking the right students. Four years after picking those 105 students they had 99 of them graduate.

underpants

(182,588 posts)
36. Yep - relative in WV
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jun 2015

She was a straight A's student getting a biology degree at U Miami. She applied to every surrounding state school (OSU Va Tech Pa State etc. ) and got turned down by all. Very very tough to get into one of those schools and the very few allotments from out of state are even harder.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
31. Has anyone noticed the cover of his book?
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:37 AM
May 2015

Adam and Eve look pretty same sex to me.

That's pretty bizarre, even when you consider that the story of Adam and Eve is bizarre. In the bible, they don't evolve from some animal -- that would be demeaning. Instead, Adam is made from dirt and spit -- apparently because that's so much more dignified. Then, God clones Adam to make Eve, and Adam and his clone have sex.

It doesn't get more science fictiony than that.

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