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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:53 AM May 2015

The Senate will vote to renew the Patriot Act at 4:00 PM EST today....

Rand Paul has vowed to block it.

Would you vote for it or against it?

In my opinion, the "Patriot Act", just like the invasion of Iraq, was created on a lie, or bunch of lies. The Bush Administration had the information to stop the attack on the WTC and they failed to do so. In the attempt to cover up their incompetence or collusion, they created the "Patriot Act". It has been a failure in every aspect, the most obvious being the desecration of our Fourth Amendment. It is nothing more than an excuse for the war hawks to continue their perpetual war in the Middle East.

Just my opinion.

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The Senate will vote to renew the Patriot Act at 4:00 PM EST today.... (Original Post) kentuck May 2015 OP
How does the Patriot Act help most Americans? It doesn't. valerief May 2015 #1
I would vote against renewing it, LWolf May 2015 #2
Let it die. Like it let so many others die. librechik May 2015 #3
I agree, it's an atrocity. HooptieWagon May 2015 #4
I'm hoping the majority of Democrats join him. kentuck May 2015 #5
I doubt it. HooptieWagon May 2015 #9
Its remarkable just a single member can block legislation. DCBob May 2015 #6
They can only delay it at this point n2doc May 2015 #12
But he can delay it until it expires at midnight tonight, GGJohn May 2015 #14
Of course they will start over again even if it does expire. DCBob May 2015 #15
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. GGJohn May 2015 #16
I dont know the specifics of how that works.. DCBob May 2015 #18
Let the POS legislation die. AtomicKitten May 2015 #7
Kill it dead. TheKentuckian May 2015 #8
Vote against it. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #10
It's an ineffective monstrosity. peecoolyour May 2015 #11
If just one word fadedrose May 2015 #13
Hopefully Paul can block it LittleBlue May 2015 #17
Would that be most of the Democratic Party? kentuck May 2015 #20
We had a problem a long time ago LittleBlue May 2015 #21
Agree. kentuck May 2015 #22
Hopefully it will die, old guy May 2015 #19

valerief

(53,235 posts)
1. How does the Patriot Act help most Americans? It doesn't.
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:56 AM
May 2015

It just makes rich people richer.

How does making rich people richer help most Americans? It doesn't.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. I agree, it's an atrocity.
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:58 AM
May 2015

I don't agree with Rand Paul often, but on this I do. I hope he's successful.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
9. I doubt it.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:11 AM
May 2015

Obama wants to keep the Bush abuse of power intact. Most Dems will go along. If Sanders flies back for the vote, he'll vote against as always. I hope Paul and other opponents are able to delay until time runs out.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
14. But he can delay it until it expires at midnight tonight,
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

and then the Senate will have to start all over again, I think

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
16. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:31 AM
May 2015

I meant that if it died, will the Senate have to craft a whole new bill? Or will they attempt to re-authorize the present bill again?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. I dont know the specifics of how that works..
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:44 AM
May 2015

but I am sure they wont just give up if the thing expires tonight.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
13. If just one word
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:17 AM
May 2015

or one name, could permit the searching of 100's of non-related phone records and whatever ensues, a change is needed.

We need to know what x, y, an z, is doing for our safety, but the whole alphabet in every language is a bit much.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
17. Hopefully Paul can block it
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:35 AM
May 2015

Fuck McConnell and the traitorous Rethugs and DINOs who go along with it

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
21. We had a problem a long time ago
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:13 PM
May 2015

When senators were signing away our rights without caring about those of use whose rights were affected

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