Wed May 16, 2012, 09:37 PM

Odin2005 (53,521 posts)

As much as I bash Obama, he is the only thing standing between us...

...and the abyss of RW insanity. I may bitch about him sucking up to the Banksters at times, but the alternative is much, much worse. This is not an election between Left and Right, it is an election between sanity and insanity.

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As much as I bash Obama, he is the only thing standing between us... (Original post)	Odin2005	May 2012	OP
IOW: stand up for Liberal values, but don't shoot yourself in the foot. Well said.	Zalatix	May 2012	#1
hey zala	DonCoquixote	May 2012	#14
Let's not call it 'stealing'. Let's just say the message wants to be liberated, lol!	Zalatix	May 2012	#15
Indeed	chickypea	May 2012	#2
My thoughts exactly.	AnnieK401	May 2012	#36
I've been saying the same thing for 3 years....	BlueDemKev	May 2012	#3
Yup. We have to defeat the crazies before we can pull the country...	Odin2005	May 2012	#5
The problem is, even if Obama is reelected,	Art_from_Ark	May 2012	#21
"Even if Obama is re-elected'?...."the 2016 election will be a whole different ball game"?	red dog 1	May 2012	#24
Yes, even if Obama is re-elected, 2016 will be a different ballgame	Art_from_Ark	May 2012	#27
2016 election?	brush	May 2012	#45
Amen (on the SCOTUS issue)	BlueDemKev	May 2012	#52
I agree. I have a different beef with President Obama than you do but, I would rather have him in	ZM90	May 2012	#4
Frankly,	ProSense	May 2012	#6
I have my legitimate criticisms of the President on internet liberties but,	ZM90	May 2012	#7
I don't always agree with Obama, but given sanity and reckless	RKP5637	May 2012	#8
true.	marasinghe	May 2012	#9
How did we get to the point..?	kentuck	May 2012	#10
I think this says more about how much the country	Jamaal510	May 2012	#18
Start here: The news media does not fact check Republicans	emulatorloo	May 2012	#28
Big Media, Hate Radio	Doctor_J	May 2012	#33
...and the Megachurches!	FiveGoodMen	May 2012	#42
Not sure how we got to this point but I know when we got there. It was in 1980	NNN0LHI	May 2012	#34
Yeah. I made the mistake of believing in a politician.	pa28	May 2012	#11
I agree. And we are absolutely still supposed to criticize Obama and the Party!	robinlynne	May 2012	#12
I agree	kardonb	May 2012	#20
oh, I dont even agree with Obama most of the time.	robinlynne	May 2012	#35
Agree with President Obama	brush	May 2012	#46
what the hell was that?	robinlynne	May 2012	#48
Robinlynne has 13,000+ posts and has been here since 2006;...	lastlib	May 2012	#55
Your post is misleading	brush	May 2012	#67
Misleading??? Huh???	lastlib	May 2012	#68
Misleading	brush	May 2012	#72
you rock. I just sent this to my cousin. We argue for hours and hours about the Dems and Obama.	robinlynne	May 2012	#13
...	CrispyQ	May 2012	#16
Preach it, my brother!!	hifiguy	May 2012	#17
At 0300 in DC...	Aviation Pro	May 2012	#19
I agree. Obama is the only sane choice for President in 2012	HeiressofBickworth	May 2012	#22
Culling the herd	brush	May 2012	#49
Maybe we need the abyss	donheld	May 2012	#23
+1000	MattSh	May 2012	#30
Surrendering to the abyss = the destruction of the defenseless	emulatorloo	May 2012	#41
If you think I'm being at all cavalier you'd be highly mistaken	donheld	May 2012	#62
The older generation has to die off.	joshcryer	May 2012	#66
Sorry the world can't wait.	donheld	May 2012	#71
How about discrediting and defeating Republicans?	emulatorloo	May 2012	#69
No we have to discredit and defeat all Wall-street owned politicians	donheld	May 2012	#70
Precisely, it is a highly privileged view. Completely neglecting the feelings...	joshcryer	May 2012	#65
By no means should we..	mvd	May 2012	#51
The ends do not justify the means.	Odin2005	May 2012	#54
That's the Nader approach. We had 8 years of Bush. We saw where that got us.	joshcryer	May 2012	#64
I briefly (BRIEFLY) toyed with the idea of	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#25
Yes it is and spot on	madokie	May 2012	#26
Agreed. But at what point do we make our move	Doctor_J	May 2012	#29
The crazy has to be gotten rid of first.	Odin2005	May 2012	#31
When and how will that happen?	Doctor_J	May 2012	#32
A Dem Senate or House could do a lot there, too	treestar	May 2012	#37
K&R n/t	DeSwiss	May 2012	#38
EXACTLY!!	Brooklyn Dame	May 2012	#39
That's why I stopped bashing him.....	bowens43	May 2012	#40
it is a dismal state of affairs	Skittles	May 2012	#43
That is so true. K & R	Chemisse	May 2012	#44
That is how I feel	mvd	May 2012	#47
So perhaps it is time to tone down some of the bashing	Skidmore	May 2012	#50
k&r n/t	RainDog	May 2012	#53
Right there with you	Prophet 451	May 2012	#56
Why is that a realization?	NS2012	May 2012	#57
Don't bash him to begin with.	Zax2me	May 2012	#58
That's the bottom line, isn't it?	Canuckistanian	May 2012	#59
Two words: Supreme Court.	myrna minx	May 2012	#60
Yup!	Odin2005	May 2012	#61
agreed	ibegurpard	May 2012	#63
Amen	Amster Dan	May 2012	#73

Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:38 PM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

1. IOW: stand up for Liberal values, but don't shoot yourself in the foot. Well said.

K&R on that one.

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #1)

Wed May 16, 2012, 10:51 PM

DonCoquixote (13,475 posts)

14. hey zala

can i steal this reply as a signature?

"stand up for Liberal values, but don't shoot yourself in the foot."

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #14)

Wed May 16, 2012, 10:56 PM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

15. Let's not call it 'stealing'. Let's just say the message wants to be liberated, lol!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:38 PM

chickypea (30 posts)

2. Indeed

He is not perfect. I don't always agree with him, but now more than ever we need to rally around him and make sure he is re-elected, because the alternative scares the hell out of me.

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Response to chickypea (Reply #2)

Thu May 17, 2012, 12:39 PM

AnnieK401 (541 posts)

36. My thoughts exactly.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:39 PM

BlueDemKev (3,003 posts)

3. I've been saying the same thing for 3 years....

...there's plenty of things I would like President Obama to do better at, but I've said all along, it's better to have half the pie than none at all.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Reply #3)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:44 PM

Odin2005 (53,521 posts)

5. Yup. We have to defeat the crazies before we can pull the country...

...to the left.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #5)

Thu May 17, 2012, 12:14 AM

Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)

21. The problem is, even if Obama is reelected,

and assuming that he can keep us away from the abyss, the 2016 election will be a whole different ball game, since Biden is not going to run and the Republicans can run a fresh face who doesn't have the obvious baggage that Romney does.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #21)

Thu May 17, 2012, 02:03 AM

red dog 1 (24,912 posts)

24. "Even if Obama is re-elected'?...."the 2016 election will be a whole different ball game"?

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.you need to count your chickens before they're hatched;.... and so should President Obama;...because talking about the 2016 election now is just crazy.
The Citizens United decision cleared the way for Rove, Norquist, Koch Brothers and the rest to probably end up spending way over a billion dollars on attack ads..........2016?.............Stay in the here-now and do whatever you can to help the President win THIS election before talking about 2016....

Why in God's name is he continuing the DEA raids on medical pot dispensaries??

MR. President, with all due respect, ...three quarters of the American people are FOR medical marijuana. ......In your speeches in 2007 & 2008 YOU railed against Bush for HIS raids on medicinal pot dispensaries; and now YOU are doing exactly what HE did, (in fact you're doing it even more aggressively than he did).......and it could cost you the election...................3/4 of all the American voters?;....that's a hell of a lot of voters who don't agree with you on this one, Sir.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014112586

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #24)

Thu May 17, 2012, 06:42 AM

Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)

27. Yes, even if Obama is re-elected, 2016 will be a different ballgame

It is NOT crazy to be thinking 4 years ahead.

And I'm not counting unhatched chickens. Geez. I wrote "even if". That implies a measure of doubt.

But enough about semantics, take a look at precedence.

Even if Obama is re-elected, barring an emergency he is almost certainly not going to take any bold initiatives, at least none that will help the general public. If historical precedent and his own actions are any indication, he will likely be "treading water" if he wins. Moreover, precedent indicates that, if Obama is re-elected, he will lose seats in one or both houses of Congress in the mid-terms. Furthermore, there has only been ONE TIME in the entire post-Civil War history of the Democratic Party when the party has won more than two presidential elections in a row-- and that was in the period 1932-48. On top of that, there is no one in the Democratic Party today who really stands out from the crowd as strong presidential timber. So 2016 (assuming that Obama wins this year) will in all likelihood mean a clean slate for both sides, which historically favors the Republicans. On top of that, the party that wins a presidential election generally picks up seats in Congress. So no, it is NOT crazy to be thinking ahead to 2016.

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #24)

Thu May 17, 2012, 05:42 PM

brush (46,219 posts)

45. 2016 election?

If the President is re-elected there is a very good chance that he may get to appoint one, or two, maybe even three or four SCOTUS justices. I believe 5 of them are in their 70s now. If that happens there's a good chance that Citizens United will be overturned. This is all the more reason to fight for President Obama's re-election as we certainly don't want a repug making those appointments.

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Response to brush (Reply #45)

Thu May 17, 2012, 06:42 PM

BlueDemKev (3,003 posts)

52. Amen (on the SCOTUS issue)

Ginsburg is turning 80 this year, Breyer is 73(?)....and more interestingly, both Scalia and Kennedy are in their mid-70s now as well. If ONE conservative justice retires and Obama appoints his successor.....the LIBERALS WILL HAVE A MAJORITY ON THE SUPREME COURT.

HOWEVER, if Romney is elected, the conservative seats will remain in conservative hands while Ginsburg and Breyer will be replaced with another Scalia and Alito, and conservatives will solidify their majority to 7-2 (and it will remain that way for decades).

That alone is enough reason for me to vote for President Obama.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:40 PM

ZM90 (706 posts)

4. I agree. I have a different beef with President Obama than you do but, I would rather have him in

office then someone who would rubber-stamp the Paul Ryan Budget and who knows what other horrifying things the Republicans can come up with.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:46 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

6. Frankly,

there are some hiding behind the criticisms who want Obama to lose. Bank on it.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #6)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:49 PM

ZM90 (706 posts)

7. I have my legitimate criticisms of the President on internet liberties but,

despite his support of ACTA and TPP (which I really hate both of them) the alternative scares the hell out of me and the alternative is unacceptable.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:49 PM

RKP5637 (64,489 posts)

8. I don't always agree with Obama, but given sanity and reckless

sociopathic insanity, I'm with Obama 100%. Frankly, if Romney and his cohorts were to get in, I think it'll be time to hang a sign up on the US that says closed to humanity.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:54 PM

marasinghe (1,253 posts)

9. true.

much as i dislike his tacit acceptance of a number of the memes he inherited from the bush scum - so far, he has held the line against out & out rabid right-wing lunacy; such as, for example, any attack on Iran.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:54 PM

kentuck (108,538 posts)

10. How did we get to the point..?

where we are on a par with a Party of crazies? In fact, we may even lose to the crazies? What does that say about our Party - that we cannot even beat a Party of insane people? Do you think we could beat a bunch of child molesters and serial rapists?? Voters must hold us in such high esteem?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #10)

Wed May 16, 2012, 11:15 PM

Jamaal510 (10,893 posts)

18. I think this says more about how much the country

still has much work to do in terms of moving forward and how uninformed many of the voters still are, not so much about the Democratic Party itself. For instance, PBO has gotten quite a bit accomplished in his first term and the party wants to make tax rates fairer, yet about half the country still wants more austerity.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #10)

Thu May 17, 2012, 08:33 AM

emulatorloo (40,728 posts)

28. Start here: The news media does not fact check Republicans

Only Rachel Maddow fact checks and reports on Republicans

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Response to kentuck (Reply #10)

Thu May 17, 2012, 10:01 AM

Doctor_J (36,392 posts)

33. Big Media, Hate Radio

Very simple.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #33)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:27 PM

FiveGoodMen (20,018 posts)

42. ...and the Megachurches!

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Response to kentuck (Reply #10)

Thu May 17, 2012, 10:09 AM

NNN0LHI (67,190 posts)

34. Not sure how we got to this point but I know when we got there. It was in 1980

Never underestimate the stupidity of voters.

Don

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 09:58 PM

pa28 (6,145 posts)

11. Yeah. I made the mistake of believing in a politician.

I know where you are coming from there.

The best argument for supporting this president IMO is the fact that as many as 4 supremes will be replaced in the near future.

We already have an activist court that seated the worst president in my lifetime just because it could and we've suffered through the result. Another four conservative appointments will mean the Republican dystopia you have in your nightmares.

In just a few years citizens united shifted the political landscape. Guess what? That's just the appetizer before the main course of Republican lobster dripping in butter sauce shows up.

I hate to think what kind of America our kids will see if that happens.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 10:43 PM

robinlynne (15,481 posts)

12. I agree. And we are absolutely still supposed to criticize Obama and the Party!

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #12)

Thu May 17, 2012, 12:02 AM

kardonb (777 posts)

20. I agree

No one agrees with everyone all of the time . We just have to support those who we agree with most of the time . No one is perfect , but some of us strive harder to come closer to being a good human being .

Obama 2012 .

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Response to kardonb (Reply #20)

Thu May 17, 2012, 11:19 AM

robinlynne (15,481 posts)

35. oh, I dont even agree with Obama most of the time.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #35)

Thu May 17, 2012, 05:50 PM

brush (46,219 posts)

46. Agree with President Obama

Robinlynne, are you a Democrat? Do you agree more with the President than with the repugs? And if you are a Democrat please respect the highest office in the land by calling him the President or President Obama, not just Obama as the repugs do. If your answer is no to these questions, why are you on this site?

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Response to brush (Reply #46)

Thu May 17, 2012, 05:53 PM

robinlynne (15,481 posts)

48. what the hell was that?

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Response to brush (Reply #46)

Thu May 17, 2012, 07:46 PM

lastlib (20,082 posts)

55. Robinlynne has 13,000+ posts and has been here since 2006;...

...you have 31, and you're asking if he/she is a Democrat and should be posting here???

Yes, we CAN disagree with Pres. Obama on various issues and still be Democrats. And we can have differences with him and each other, and still unite against repugnant-cons.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #55)

Fri May 18, 2012, 02:17 AM

brush (46,219 posts)

67. Your post is misleading

Sorry but your post is misleading. Pls state your positions more clearly.

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Response to brush (Reply #67)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:40 AM

lastlib (20,082 posts)

68. Misleading??? Huh???

English is my native language; I believe I was perfectly clear.

This is not the CPSU, we're not a monolithic party. We have differences of opinion. I'm a liberal of the flaming variety, I cut my teeth on the McGovern campaign. Not everyone (and that includes Pres. Obama) is going to have the same opinion on every issue that I have--or you have--or robinlynne has. My differences of opinion with Pres. Obama exist, my differences with repuglicans are orders of magnitude greater. There is nothing in robinlynne's post, or her lengthy history, from which to infer that she is a troll, or anything but a loyal Democratic believer. Don't accuse people of being trolls just because they state that they have a difference of opinion with someone.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #68)

Sun May 20, 2012, 10:13 AM

brush (46,219 posts)

72. Misleading

The post did not state her positions at all other than her being against "Obama." What I most objected to is the use of just the name "Obama" as the repugs disparagingly refer to the President. Most Democrats I know don't fall into following repug talking head disses with their "Obama this" or "Obama that" putdowns and refer to the nation's highest office holder as the President or President Obama.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 10:46 PM

robinlynne (15,481 posts)

13. you rock. I just sent this to my cousin. We argue for hours and hours about the Dems and Obama.

We love each other and respect each other, and disagree enormously. I called it: a coming together of how you see Obama and how I see obama.....

(I criticize, she defends, always.)

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 10:58 PM

CrispyQ (33,506 posts)

16. ...

For many decades I have lived in a very progressive pocket of a red state that has slowly gone purple/blue. I have been sheltered from the outright racism that has been an underlying boiling point for so many Americans.

I am ashamed & stunned at the bigotry. Ashamed for them & their bigotry & ashamed, also, for me, to some level, for not seeing the scope of this insidious disease & how pervasive it is in our culture, even today.

I am so thankful to live in a pocket that is more liberal, but I realize that I must be aware & offer help in areas where liberalism isn't so prevalent.

A few weeks ago there was a thread - not clear on the details, but I think it discussed a recent Bill Maher show where Bill & a guest discussed how the status quo machine would pick up on an Obama loss as "See, a black man just couldn't cut it."

I am soooooo NOT Obama's biggest fan. but this talking point will affect ALL minorities, not just blacks. (on edit: For decades)

I don't have words to express my hatred of the status quo/right wing machine that controls this country & it's dialog. And as inadequate as I see the Democratic Party's response to the extreme right wing shift, I will, once again, vote for the lesser of two evils.

=====
Before Dennis Miller became a total fuckhead, he had a surprisingly, righteous rant on one of his HBO shows about bigotry. He said (paraphrased), "It's stupid to hate someone for the color of their skin, when if you take 5 minutes and just talk to them, you will find plenty of VALID reasons to hate them."

Sort of a misanthropes way of looking at humanity, but I can relate.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 11:01 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

17. Preach it, my brother!!

Agreed 110%!!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 11:57 PM

Aviation Pro (10,738 posts)

19. At 0300 in DC...

...who would you rather have, the cool man who asks tough questions before taking decisive action or a clueless fart surrounded by his fucking handlers?

Forward.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 12:26 AM

HeiressofBickworth (2,682 posts)

22. I agree. Obama is the only sane choice for President in 2012

But how about 2016? Whether Obama wins or not, there is another election coming up. As Democrats, we will have to continue working and donating money to the cause. There will never be a time to sleep on the job. The stakes are entirely too high. With Ryan's tax plan to destroy the country and Romney's total lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, we can't rest.

On a personal level, I can't seem to wrap my head around the idea that there are people (teapartiers) who want to adopt tax and other legislation that will result in the rendering of the social fabric. Is there a master plan to cull the herd? Is it their plan that if one has enough money, one can avoid the selection and destruction plans? There is a lot of reluctance to draw any comparisons to Nazis, but step back and take a look. Nazis culled the herd of disabled, racial minorities and a religious group. Ryan's tax plan will cull the herd of minorities, the elderly and disabled. At the basis is a group of people who suffer from the delusion that they are superior and have the right to adopt plans that will have a disproportionate negative affect on groups that they deem inferior or unworthy.

Damn, it's getting late and I'm starting to ramble...........

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Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #22)

Thu May 17, 2012, 06:03 PM

brush (46,219 posts)

49. Culling the herd

You raise legitimate and scary points so let's just concentrate on getting the President re-elected so that he might have the opportunity to appoint at least a couple of SCOTUS justices. Five of them are in their 70s now and they're only going to get older. If he can appoint enough of them over the next four years to switch that 5-4 regressive majority to a more progressive one, Citizens United might be overturned and the country might be saved from the fast-closing corporate fascism you've rightly pointed out in our rearview mirror. If reminds me of something the late great Negro league pitcher Satchel Paige said: "Don't look back, something might be gaining on you." We got to look forward and work hard for the President's re-election so that we can pull far ahead of that frightening specter looming in rearview.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 01:48 AM

donheld (21,287 posts)

23. Maybe we need the abyss

Maybe the USA like any junkie is going to have to hit rock bottom in order to really seek true recovery.

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Response to donheld (Reply #23)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:23 AM

MattSh (3,714 posts)

30. +1000

Sadly, I think the destination is the same with either party. Rock bottom. The main difference is the speed we'll arrive at that destination. Because the capitalists run the country, not Capital Hill.

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Response to donheld (Reply #23)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:16 PM

emulatorloo (40,728 posts)

41. Surrendering to the abyss = the destruction of the defenseless

The poor, the elderly, the disadvantaged and so on and so on.

I just can't be that cavalier about things.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #41)

Fri May 18, 2012, 12:55 AM

donheld (21,287 posts)

62. If you think I'm being at all cavalier you'd be highly mistaken

Tell me what other ideas do you have that will get American's off there lazy asses and into the streets to demand politicians listen to we the people not they the corporations and billionaires? Will get American's demand an end to war? An end to watching America fall into oblivion at pay no attention to it?

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Response to donheld (Reply #62)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:29 AM

joshcryer (62,167 posts)

66. The older generation has to die off.

It's simple, each new generation is more progressive than the next.

A wise person once told me, Democracy is good because it's inefficient.

Fascism or dictatorship, now that's fucking efficient.

But no one would say either is good for societies.

Democracy is slow going at best.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #66)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:08 PM

donheld (21,287 posts)

71. Sorry the world can't wait.

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Response to donheld (Reply #62)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:18 PM

emulatorloo (40,728 posts)

69. How about discrediting and defeating Republicans?

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #69)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:06 PM

donheld (21,287 posts)

70. No we have to discredit and defeat all Wall-street owned politicians

both sides of the aisle.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #41)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:28 AM

joshcryer (62,167 posts)

65. Precisely, it is a highly privileged view. Completely neglecting the feelings...

...and realities of others who are less fortunate.

Anyone who has that view is extremely likely to be privileged or narcissistic.

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Response to donheld (Reply #23)

Thu May 17, 2012, 06:41 PM

mvd (64,658 posts)

51. By no means should we..

be silent about the lack of persistence on the public option, the Geithner nomination, the compromises that move the country to the right, the wrong tactics on education, the killing of an American citizen, the deaths from drone attacks, etc. But Bush about did us in. I can't be fine with Romney rule - wouldn't wish it on anyone. At least Obama isn't crazy and has made some real social reform and health reform. Romney has a real nasty streak. I think we need some unity going forward, while working to get someone more progressive nominated next time.

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Response to donheld (Reply #23)

Thu May 17, 2012, 07:28 PM

Odin2005 (53,521 posts)

54. The ends do not justify the means.

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Response to donheld (Reply #23)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:26 AM

joshcryer (62,167 posts)

64. That's the Nader approach. We had 8 years of Bush. We saw where that got us.

Two fucking wars, massive debt, massive unemployment.

Scorched earth policy, I suppose.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 02:41 AM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

25. I briefly (BRIEFLY) toyed with the idea of

voting Dem Socialist. Then I watched one of the Repuke debates (thanks ProSense) and it scared me straight in a hurry.

This year I will go to the polls, not to vote for Obama but to vote against the Repigs. It's my civic duty.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 03:14 AM

madokie (51,076 posts)

26. Yes it is and spot on

Only difference is I don't bash Obama but other than that you are right as right can be. You see I've seen it this way from day one of his Presidency.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:15 AM

Doctor_J (36,392 posts)

29. Agreed. But at what point do we make our move

toward a civilized society, and not just "not as bad"?

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #29)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:51 AM

Odin2005 (53,521 posts)

31. The crazy has to be gotten rid of first.

Basically the crazy Right must be defeated before we can reverse the rightward slide of American politics.

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Thu May 17, 2012, 09:59 AM

Doctor_J (36,392 posts)

32. When and how will that happen?

I have my ideas, but the posts in which I suggest them are usually hidden.

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Thu May 17, 2012, 12:49 PM

treestar (80,844 posts)

37. A Dem Senate or House could do a lot there, too

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Thu May 17, 2012, 02:13 PM

DeSwiss (27,137 posts)

38. K&R n/t

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Thu May 17, 2012, 02:59 PM

Brooklyn Dame (169 posts)

39. EXACTLY!!

There IS no choice. No, he's not perfect. But the other side is chock full of batshit crazies.

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/02/5-annoying-things-that-liberals-do/

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/02/r-or-d/

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/03/this-is-america-on-wingnuttery/

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Thu May 17, 2012, 03:25 PM

bowens43 (16,064 posts)

40. That's why I stopped bashing him.....

no more bashing from me until after the election.

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Thu May 17, 2012, 04:28 PM

Skittles (147,804 posts)

43. it is a dismal state of affairs

yes INDEED

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Thu May 17, 2012, 04:41 PM

Chemisse (30,514 posts)

44. That is so true. K & R

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Thu May 17, 2012, 05:52 PM

mvd (64,658 posts)

47. That is how I feel

My grade for Obama is just a C+, just a little better than President Clinton. But I mostly post positive things about defeating Romney here. I know Romney will do the Tea Party's bidding without batting an eyelash. I really think this is who the real Romney is. I post complaints, but not as much here.

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Thu May 17, 2012, 06:08 PM

Skidmore (37,364 posts)

50. So perhaps it is time to tone down some of the bashing

and give objections as constructive criticism while pitching in to GOTV this November. Otherwise, it will be insanity. I'd like to see us put our efforts in getting him reelected and putting people in congress who are sane and reasonable and will help him get things done. Give him a working congress. All I see coming up now are teabagger nutjobs.

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Thu May 17, 2012, 06:55 PM

RainDog (28,784 posts)

53. k&r n/t

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Thu May 17, 2012, 08:20 PM

Prophet 451 (9,796 posts)

56. Right there with you

Well, as much as I can be from across the pond anyway.

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Thu May 17, 2012, 08:27 PM

NS2012 (74 posts)

57. Why is that a realization?

Duh.
Fuck!
Most people who feel that way don't get that bullshit "realization" and that's the biggest threat to Democracy.

Don't bash Obama because he's not liberal or progressive enough. Let him play his cards.

Fuck I hate you "Obama doesn't stand his ground, Obama's not progressive enough" fucking assholes!

Obama is wise. You impatient liberals are almost as bad as the fucking Tea-Baggers.

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Thu May 17, 2012, 08:28 PM

Zax2me (2,515 posts)