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Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:13 PM Aug 2015

BLM Activist "Marissa Jenae" Johnson Is Helping a Louis Farrakhan Group Organize a March On DC

From Sarah Palin to Louis Farrakhan, this young lady is all over the place. I was looking at a Group she joined on Facebook called SeaJusticeOrElse and found they are a Nation of Islam group out of Seattle, who are helping Louis Farrakhan organize an upcoming march on DC.

You can hear Farrakhan talk about his latest movement here:



What does Farrakhan mean by "or else?" He describes his fantasies of violence and death here:



Farrakhan's success at wooing BLM activists to work for him, can't be a good thing.

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BLM Activist "Marissa Jenae" Johnson Is Helping a Louis Farrakhan Group Organize a March On DC (Original Post) Oilwellian Aug 2015 OP
How is she directly helping this group? kwassa Aug 2015 #1
If you look at the SeaJustice link Oilwellian Aug 2015 #6
but you have no direct evidence of exactly what she is doing? kwassa Aug 2015 #14
She is obviously SUPPORTING them...DUH! n/t Oilwellian Aug 2015 #21
How is she supporting them? You don't know, do you? kwassa Aug 2015 #26
There are none so blind as those who will not see n/t Oilwellian Aug 2015 #29
Give us facts, not your speculation. kwassa Aug 2015 #34
Seattle Organizing Committee of NOI's Justice Or Else jberryhill Aug 2015 #58
the or else part is pretty scary virtualobserver Aug 2015 #76
Is it a stretch to believe... jberryhill Aug 2015 #24
agreed. this is bad news cali Aug 2015 #31
so, you don't know either, but choose to speculate and assume the worst? kwassa Aug 2015 #32
she is involved with this. that's clear. no, we don't know the nature of the involvement cali Aug 2015 #36
I'm not assuming a damned thing jberryhill Aug 2015 #37
Is this a valuable piece of information? jberryhill Aug 2015 #57
"This OP has no value as a piece of information that a conclusion can be drawn from." NCTraveler Aug 2015 #113
Yes it does. Stop playing dumb: kfreed Dec 2015 #134
kwassa insists that accusing Bernie of dual citizenship is not anti-Semitic: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #82
Some people need to stick to the topic at hand. kwassa Aug 2015 #127
She probably passing on her excellent communication skills to them notadmblnd Aug 2015 #56
I see Louis F has got some might big stage security protecting that microphone nt msongs Aug 2015 #2
TH Louis Farrakahn, like a stopped clock, is right twice a day. nc4bo Aug 2015 #3
One can only imagine the NOI take on a presidential candidate raised in Judaism jberryhill Aug 2015 #7
My my my. I can not EVEN imagine. nt nc4bo Aug 2015 #8
Makes a whole lot more sense now, eh? jberryhill Aug 2015 #11
Ironically, it was progressive Jews Oilwellian Aug 2015 #18
Someone needs to find proof one way or the other because if this is true then Bernie Sanders is jwirr Aug 2015 #20
I agree, Bernie is in danger Oilwellian Aug 2015 #25
I hadn't read all the posts yet when I wrote that and was not sure there was a connection between jwirr Aug 2015 #35
What is the "real" BLM? Given she is a BLM co-founder she is part snagglepuss Aug 2015 #117
She is a co-founder in Seattle. The Ferguson MO marchers founded the whole idea of BLM. jwirr Aug 2015 #123
Farrakhan calls for 10,000 men in the midst of the million . . . men to rise up, to stalk and kill Petrushka Aug 2015 #38
shit. he really is bad news cali Aug 2015 #40
I have found myself agreeing with him at times Oilwellian Aug 2015 #10
I agree and I think this is always a problem with decentralized activism nc4bo Aug 2015 #80
Wouldn't surprise me jberryhill Aug 2015 #4
I think you might be getting to LuvNewcastle Aug 2015 #9
Yes, "White Supremacist Liberals" - i.e. progressive Jews jberryhill Aug 2015 #15
I hope Agent Andy is reading this - Bernie needs protection. jwirr Aug 2015 #23
I worry. Yes he does need protection. 840high Aug 2015 #72
I know, I was thinking about that as well Oilwellian Aug 2015 #12
Three days ago after reading about the three girls who were on stage that night and seeing their jwirr Aug 2015 #28
I kept the OP on tab all day Oilwellian Aug 2015 #47
NOI's view of history is not limited to Jewish responsibility Supersedeas Aug 2015 #131
I used to read The Final Call from time to time jberryhill Aug 2015 #132
I did not realize that 1995 was still without the NTSC system? JanMichael Aug 2015 #5
I have no clue what you mean n/t Oilwellian Aug 2015 #13
The attempt to create a 60's look to a 90's event. JanMichael Aug 2015 #16
Ah, gotcha Oilwellian Aug 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Aug 2015 #17
uh oh. the last thing we need is a pitched battle between Jewish and black dems. cali Aug 2015 #22
I know, Cali Oilwellian Aug 2015 #27
I hope you're right. it would be a.very bad thing if BLM became entangled with him cali Aug 2015 #30
AA's tend to give LF a pass on his virulent antisemitism unfortunately, I have noticed. nt m-lekktor Aug 2015 #39
if there's any obvious antisemitism directed at Bernie, there will be a shitstorm cali Aug 2015 #41
as there should be! nt m-lekktor Aug 2015 #45
it will be terrible for the dem party cali Aug 2015 #46
It will be terrible for the country Oilwellian Aug 2015 #62
you're right. very disturbing. cali Aug 2015 #63
I wouldn't be so sure. Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #48
the ADL will get involved. rebukes will too. it will be unfortunate and ugly cali Aug 2015 #49
No doubt the ADL will be involved. Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #52
unlikely to happen, most of the people in both groups are united behind Clinton JI7 Aug 2015 #51
if there is any open antisemitism from blacks, the ADL will become involved cali Aug 2015 #53
blacks ? aren't these a few people which has always been the case ? JI7 Aug 2015 #59
In this thread we're discussing a BLM activist who organized the cali Aug 2015 #61
my point is that there is nothing to show that most or even that many black people JI7 Aug 2015 #65
he has a sizeable folowing cali Aug 2015 #66
he has the same following he has always had JI7 Aug 2015 #67
I didn't say most. I said sizeable cali Aug 2015 #71
Prediction: 1000words Aug 2015 #33
oh shit another million minus 900,000? 2pooped2pop Aug 2015 #42
From the photo, it looks like she and Mara Willaford are part of the local organizing committee suffragette Aug 2015 #43
I'm beginning to suspect that her behavior toward Bernie is at least in part because he's Jewish cali Aug 2015 #44
I'm wondering about that too, now. suffragette Aug 2015 #50
Yes, she also posted a FreePalestine hash tag on her facebook rant against Sanders. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #84
Right. H2O Man Aug 2015 #102
Oh, joy. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #54
Thank you for posting Oilwellian Aug 2015 #64
I only saw this because of your OP suffragette Aug 2015 #68
When her Facebook page said aspirant Aug 2015 #55
Hopefully it's mostly about her being a joiner Babel_17 Aug 2015 #60
Bernie had BLM open for his rally tonight BainsBane Aug 2015 #69
It's a decentralized organization Babel_17 Aug 2015 #74
Uh...Malcolm X rejected the NOI, remember? Oilwellian Aug 2015 #75
Pointing out Marissa's anti-Semitism is not "trying to discredit" BLM. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #85
Would you still go see Farrakhan if he came to town? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #86
+1 Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #101
know who murdered him? know he quit and denounced them? cali Aug 2015 #129
I've been wondering about this too. Given this OP and looking at the other links haikugal Aug 2015 #70
Thanks. 840high Aug 2015 #73
Actually melman Aug 2015 #78
I think she is fundamentalist of some persuasion. haikugal Aug 2015 #81
Thank you there have been somethings in the rhetoric surrounding this that seemed reminiscent azurnoir Aug 2015 #77
an NoI Christian? makes about as much sense as anything else MisterP Aug 2015 #79
She has described herself as "a militant Christian." LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #83
no, she hasn't - but keep feeding right-wing hacks reorg Aug 2015 #88
This article says she did. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #116
no it doesn't reorg Aug 2015 #120
Anyone or anything that associates themselves with Farrakhan romanic Aug 2015 #87
yes. that is the bottom line cali Aug 2015 #89
If BLM aligns itself with screwy louie leftynyc Aug 2015 #90
well it certainly wouldn't be a productive alliance cali Aug 2015 #93
More than not productive leftynyc Aug 2015 #94
This appears the way it started with...MLK and Malcolm X... Stellar Aug 2015 #91
you do a huge disservice to both King and Malcolm cali Aug 2015 #92
I only know what I remember and felt as a black person back in the day. Stellar Aug 2015 #95
Farrakhan is virulently antisemitic. I certainly wouldn't tell you or any other poc cali Aug 2015 #96
Thank you. Stellar Aug 2015 #97
Agreed Mr Dixon Aug 2015 #111
a race to find somebody to hate... Stellar Aug 2015 #114
Agreed Mr Dixon Aug 2015 #121
+1 Stellar Aug 2015 #118
Very dishonest on your part. Very. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #98
Except she joined Nation of Islam's organizing committee Oilwellian Aug 2015 #100
Capiche? No. It is only a wish of yours being disguised as something else. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #103
There is a difference on Facebook between liking a page... Oilwellian Aug 2015 #108
I think the continuing dirt digging on Marissa Jenae Johnson is counter productive. blackspade Aug 2015 #99
Someone that get it Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #105
Thanks for that. blackspade Aug 2015 #106
Sorry you're missing the bigger picture Oilwellian Aug 2015 #107
I'm not missing the 'bigger' picture blackspade Aug 2015 #110
+1 I have discussed the opposition research being done on her in this light. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #115
lol Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #104
Farrakhan is insidiously dangerous Oilwellian Aug 2015 #109
really Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #112
he hardly has to kill anyone to be a hate filled bigot. cali Aug 2015 #119
never said he doesnt have hateful views Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #124
what's the purpose of this post? bigtree Aug 2015 #122
Oh, was that screeching she directed at Sanders cwydro Aug 2015 #126
How the hell did you find this? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #125
I have an AA twitter friend PasadenaTrudy Aug 2015 #128
She's had a AA president and an AA AG. Exactly how has having AAs in top jobs snagglepuss Aug 2015 #130
I am so fucking mad about this. How can this topic be framed so Bernie AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #133

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
6. If you look at the SeaJustice link
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:21 PM
Aug 2015

You will see she joined their group about two weeks ago. They describe the members who join as follows:

This group was created by the Seattle Local Organizing Committee (LOC) for the Justice Or Else March to be held in Washington DC 10/10/2015. We are coordinating transportation to the event, keeping our local community informed of the process and leveraging our collective power to create an #OrElse to be reckoned with. The members of this group are #Solutionaries, #Educators and #VillageMinded individuals invested in the betterment of the Black community of the Puget Sound region and by proxy the Nation. WELCOME!!

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
14. but you have no direct evidence of exactly what she is doing?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:35 PM
Aug 2015

I think your OP title is a big stretch.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
76. the or else part is pretty scary
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:27 AM
Aug 2015

Farrakhan recently stated, “These are not the times for weak people, for cowardly people. I need 10,000 fearless men, who say, ‘Death is sweeter than continued life under tyranny. Death is sweeter than to live and bury our children while White folks give the killer hamburgers. Retaliation is a prescription from God to calm the breast of those whose children have been enslaved. So, if the federal government will not intercede in our affairs, then we must rise up and kill those who kill us. Stalk them and kill them and let them feel the pain of death that we are feeling!”

http://rollingout.com/2015/08/10/min-louis-farrakhan-message-justice-else-calls-retaliation/

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. Is it a stretch to believe...
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:11 PM
Aug 2015

That there are certainly African Americans who would object to Bernie because he is Jewish?

No, that's not a stretch.

There are people of all races and walks of life who don't like Jews.

There is a substantial ideology in which Jews are responsible for African slavery in this country.

There are white people who don't like Jews. There are black people who don't like Jews. There are Catholics and there are Protestants who don't like Jews.

You can easily get a broad coalition of people who don't like Jews.

But someone who would put Bernie into a category of "white supremacist liberals" might not know a whole lot about him, other than one thing.

Do I know why these young women were screaming in Bernie's face? Ostensibly to get police to stop shooting black people should he take office in 2017.

The meaningful connection between screaming in Bernie's face, and some cessation of police violence is, I guess, the "fierce urgency of what might happen two years from now" or something.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
32. so, you don't know either, but choose to speculate and assume the worst?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:23 PM
Aug 2015

This OP has no value as a piece of information that a conclusion can be drawn from.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
36. she is involved with this. that's clear. no, we don't know the nature of the involvement
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:28 PM
Aug 2015

but BLM activists should give LF a wide birth. He is virulently antisemitic and a racist.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
37. I'm not assuming a damned thing
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:48 PM
Aug 2015


There is a sense of shock and dismay among some that all African Americans don't agree about everything, as if African Americans somehow owe liberal candidates their support.

I've been led to believe that assuming all African Americans "should" support liberal candidates is patronizing and wrong, and I do believe that it is patronizing and wrong. I agree that it is patronizing and wrong.

African Americans certainly include as many crazy fucked-up people as any other group.

It is commonly believed among some that Jews controlled the slave trade, for example. I don't need to know who someone has been running around with in order to know one of the main proponents of that notion, which is also popular among "white power" groups as well. On that historical assertion, there is agreement across racial lines.

When Jessie Jackson referred to New York as "Hymie Town", was it because he was a member or supporter of NOI. No. Did it reflect an easy anti-semitism within a prominent segment of black America? Yes. Is it any more or less common among whites? Could be. There are certainly a lot of white anti-semites and probably in greater proportion.

But I certainly don't discount the possibility that, sure, among African American activists as a class, there are those who are sympathetic to the stuff served up by NOI.

No, African Americans don't "owe" Democrats their votes. My goodness, if it was that were the case then I'm not going to think of Herman Cain, Condoleeza Rice, Michael Steele, or Ben Carson as caucasians.

But I can certainly see a reason why Bernie would get special treatment.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
113. "This OP has no value as a piece of information that a conclusion can be drawn from."
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:55 AM
Aug 2015

That is often what happens when people search out to confirm their already flawed bias. So well said and so simple on your part. It is what many news organizations do. Write the story, then go find tidbits to spread within in order to give it the visual appearance of credibility.

 

kfreed

(88 posts)
134. Yes it does. Stop playing dumb:
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:59 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:55 PM - Edit history (3)

Because if I'm going out on a limb and staking my reputation on a movement I want to know who's behind it and what the end game is. And if it's Farrakhan, then hell to the no! And I do NOT abide liars trying to run cover for bonafide creeps.

The SOB networks with white supremacists for fuck's sake. Marrissa Johnson's actions, not just at the Bernie rally in Seattle, but elsewhere suddenly make a whole lot of sense to me since I've been looking into this. I fully supported the Netroots protest, but the Seattle BS had me cringing even before I knew anything about wingnut Marissa Johnson and it wasn't because I'm a Berniac.

She looked too damn nuts to pretty much everyone, including other #BLM activists. Now we know why. AND now they've allowed a bunch of 'kill whitey' black separatists to hijack a civil rights movement. What do you suppose that kind of rhetoric is going to do for Black Lives Matter? They just KILLED it. Not to mention, they just plantd TARGETS on the backs of innocent blacks who have noting to do with that evil bastid. To top it all off, they really are trying to undermine Bernie's campaign simply because he's Jewish! It turns out the Berniacs weren't just paranoid and here we are with egg all over our faces after berating the insensitive Bernie fans!

Meet racist lunatic Farrakhan who preaches that the Jews control the world and are responsible for U.S. slavery, Jim Crow, and every other evil in the world (JUST LIKE RON PAUL) courtesy of hate watch group Southern Poverty Law Center: end times fantasies, Scientology, black separatism, antisemitism, hatred for whites who he claims are devils: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

Jesus H. Christ. Here's what chaps my hide, I've just spent the past seven years of my life doing battle with white supremacist Tea Party lunatics on every conceivable front, in every conceivable capacity open to me, trying to keep these scumbags out of publc office only to be stabbed in the back repeatedly by so-called "progressives"... the same people who have been undermining President Obama from day one, as well as the work of every other liberal effort under the sun. And now I find out that "progressives" have AGAIN allowed yet another co-optation of an ostensibly left-wing movement by violent anti-government extremists (this time it's black ones).

I am developing a REAL hate-on for far left lunatics - I don't even have the words to express it... my next mission in life is going to be nailing their despicable arses to the wall. And as for Black Lives Matter, ya'll are done. You can kiss any sort of mainstream support goodbye. That's how brain dead you are. every slimebag opportunist comes slithering out the swamp ready to exploit the desperate and clueless. How damn pathetic are we, anyway? I'm so furious right now I can't type. Screw it.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
127. Some people need to stick to the topic at hand.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:56 PM
Aug 2015

So, do you have any evidence of anti-Semitism on the part of Marissa?

I know you don't.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
3. TH Louis Farrakahn, like a stopped clock, is right twice a day.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:19 PM
Aug 2015

I even find myself agreeing with some of his rhetoric. I try to keep an open mind even though some days it can be EXTREMELY difficult but I do try. Sometimes I make some really fucked up mistakes but I'm human and it's a learning thing.

The Southern Poverty Law Center considers the NOI to be a hate group.

I say all this to say............I have no idea and it's up to each of us as individual to sort this out to your own conscious satisfaction. Take what you can use for yourself and leave the rest on the floor.

It's gonna be real hard for some, not so much for others.

Be true to your Democratic ideals, what they stand for, what YOU stand for and remember that we are only as good as the least amongst us. That's all I've got.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Makes a whole lot more sense now, eh?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:29 PM
Aug 2015

Crazy thing -

The often-floated rumor that Obama was a "secret muslim" was something that made the NOI camp MORE likely to vote for him.

And, as many have been pointing out, the notion that all black voters *owe* the Democrats, or liberal Democrats, or generally leftish candidates, their vote - is simply a result of a stereotype that "all black voters" decide things the way that "all black people" do in their secret annual convention on "what will black people think this year".

Abso-fucking-lutely, there is a substantial contingent - of which NOI is representative - for whom "white supremacist liberals" is a pretty normal formulation.

And especially progressive Jews.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
18. Ironically, it was progressive Jews
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:47 PM
Aug 2015

who worked with the black communities and helped them bring civil rights laws to fruition. Some even sacrificed their lives for the cause.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. Someone needs to find proof one way or the other because if this is true then Bernie Sanders is
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:01 PM
Aug 2015

in great danger. Many of the links on the internet are filled with Bernie hatred. And to ask him to atone for all the sins of racism sounds very like Farakhan. to me.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
25. I agree, Bernie is in danger
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:11 PM
Aug 2015

I noticed a lot of the hatred as well while studying NOI and Farrakhan. I hope Bernie improves his security while out on the trail.

Sorry to see you deleted your post below. I agreed with what you said.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
35. I hadn't read all the posts yet when I wrote that and was not sure there was a connection between
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:27 PM
Aug 2015

black nationalism, black liberation and the Seattle woman. But it certainly looks like the fact that Bernie is a Jew may be a factor. Especially since the women demanded that he atone for all the sins of racism. That is pure Farrakhan.

I want the real BLM to look into this themselves and back away so the movement can avoid this mess if true.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
117. What is the "real" BLM? Given she is a BLM co-founder she is part
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:12 PM
Aug 2015

of whatever is meant by the "real" BLM.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
123. She is a co-founder in Seattle. The Ferguson MO marchers founded the whole idea of BLM.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:43 PM
Aug 2015

I actually think that she is part of BLM but she is also involved in other organizations. For your information - as I said before in that thread I did not say one word about what I was thinking until someone else suggested it AND some came up with a connection.

But apparently this idea has been discarded so - let it die. I do not intend to beat a dead horse.

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
38. Farrakhan calls for 10,000 men in the midst of the million . . . men to rise up, to stalk and kill
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:54 PM
Aug 2015

. . . death, he says in his july 30, 2015 message, is sweeter than living under tyranny . . . etc.






Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
10. I have found myself agreeing with him at times
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:28 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:13 PM - Edit history (1)

It's just his desire for an all out race war in this country, that I find hard to agree with. This connection to Farrakhan isn't good for BLM and I hope they distance themselves from this woman. She is toxic to the BLM efforts.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
80. I agree and I think this is always a problem with decentralized activism
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:18 AM
Aug 2015

Like someone on DU mentioned, OWS is a prime example. So easy for others to co-opt the message.

All we can do is keep observing the behaviors. Time will reveal much more information.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Wouldn't surprise me
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:20 PM
Aug 2015


I had mentioned NOI in relation to the "white supremacist liberals", given that Bernie is Jewish and Jews are responsible for slavery in NOI's take on history.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
9. I think you might be getting to
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:28 PM
Aug 2015

the heart of all the Bernie bashing. These people are anti-Semitic, and it kills them to see a Jew possibly winning the nomination of a major party. It makes perfect sense now that you mention it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. Yes, "White Supremacist Liberals" - i.e. progressive Jews
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:36 PM
Aug 2015
http://forward.com/opinion/317949/is-bernie-sanders-getting-anti-semitic-treatment/

Then there’s the recent accusation that Sanders, while a socialist who advocates for higher taxes on the wealthy and more protections for workers and the environment, simply doesn’t address racism and inequality. In fact, Sanders has a long history of being vocal on civil rights and spoke recently about the injustice of the American prison system, something that acutely affects people of color. And since economic inequality is so deeply tied to racial inequality, it’s nearly impossible to dismiss Sanders’s discussion of the former as having no bearing on the latter. Once again, this sounds like the tired old myth, put forth in the circles of places like Nation of Islam, that somehow seemingly progressive Jews are wolves in sheep’s clothing trying to hoodwink African-Americans into trusting them.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
12. I know, I was thinking about that as well
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:32 PM
Aug 2015

I sat on this all day questioning whether to even post it. I was so stunned to see the connection, and realize it isn't good for the BLM movement overall. I care a lot about their efforts and hate seeing their name bandied about by the likes of Nation of Islam.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
28. Three days ago after reading about the three girls who were on stage that night and seeing their
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:18 PM
Aug 2015

facebook/twitter accounts I came up with this idea myself and like you I did not want to say anything that would make the situation worse. In those accounts I came across words like - black nationalist - Outside Agitator 206 - Zionist - white racist liberal. It made me uneasy but still I did not want to say it because I did not want to make this another error of the day.

But if the OP is correct then I cannot keep quiet about my fear. Bernie would be in too much danger.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
47. I kept the OP on tab all day
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:25 AM
Aug 2015

and it was Bernie's safety that finally convinced me to post it. I'm sure this experience has opened his eyes to the hateful, anti-semitic zealotry he will face.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
132. I used to read The Final Call from time to time
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:00 PM
Aug 2015

back in the 70's and 80's. I read all kinds of stuff. I have no idea what they are on about these days.

White people in general are descended from a mutated wolf like creature that came out of the Caucasus Mountains and aren't actually fully human.

Whatever. They dress well, but a lot of the rhetoric is practically a self-parody. Farrakhan is well past his prime and any organization that needs the same person at the top for so long is pretty much s cult of personality.

JanMichael

(24,885 posts)
5. I did not realize that 1995 was still without the NTSC system?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:21 PM
Aug 2015

Wow. All of my photos from them must have been Disneyfied.

JanMichael

(24,885 posts)
16. The attempt to create a 60's look to a 90's event.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:44 PM
Aug 2015

The 1995 footage was B/W which was used to create a nostalgic feeling in ones mind for an event in 1995.

1995 was in color. The fundamentalist may be in his 80's but 1995 was only 20 years ago not the "before times". It was a marketing attempt to co-opt the 60's.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
19. Ah, gotcha
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:51 PM
Aug 2015

and I know how to create that look in Sony Vegas, I just haven't worked with the software in a while. LOL

Response to Oilwellian (Original post)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
22. uh oh. the last thing we need is a pitched battle between Jewish and black dems.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:07 PM
Aug 2015

L.F. is virulently antisemitic

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
27. I know, Cali
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:18 PM
Aug 2015

It will be important for Bernie and BLM to come to grips with this. I don't think either of them want L.F. salivating in the background.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
62. It will be terrible for the country
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:02 AM
Aug 2015

BLM is leaderless and that has left a void in the movement. People are pissed and for good reason, but nothing is done about police killing unarmed black people week after week, year after year. They're yearning for leadership and justice. Then along comes a spider who has dreamed of a race war in America for decades and calls himself a minister.

I wonder if anyone in power is paying attention to this brewing shitstorm.

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
48. I wouldn't be so sure.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:36 AM
Aug 2015

I think there will be some who will get upset and speak out, but I fear mostly we will here the whistling wind. I have watched anti-Semitism defended here, out-right praised. I have seen mocked and derided, so the very fact that some of the ones who have done this in the past will be called upon to actually recognize it when it is directed at their candidate, I will find most interesting; the cognitive dissonance will be mind-blowing.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
49. the ADL will get involved. rebukes will too. it will be unfortunate and ugly
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:39 AM
Aug 2015

But yeah I hear you regarding some duers

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
52. No doubt the ADL will be involved.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:47 AM
Aug 2015

However, that group is largely reviled by more than a few on the left. Given that people try to justify or make excuses for anti-Semitism is what causes me concern. It is only a matter of time before Sander's "loyalty" is called into question...oh wait, that has happened and we both saw the excuses spun here (and elsewhere) as to why that "question" was appropriate. The people hitching their wagon to NOI, that's just a forbearer of worse things to come. Quite frankly, I am a bit surprised that Sanders' constant talk about economic parity hasn't been called into question as a legacy of his being Jewish. That's one anti-Semitic trope that goes both ways....Jews love money (horde it); Jews try to distribute wealth. That Sanders' is so opposed to Wall Street must be giving people fits.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
53. if there is any open antisemitism from blacks, the ADL will become involved
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:47 AM
Aug 2015

And Jews whether they support Clinton or not will be outraged

JI7

(89,247 posts)
59. blacks ? aren't these a few people which has always been the case ?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:57 AM
Aug 2015

there is nothing that says most black people are behind this.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
61. In this thread we're discussing a BLM activist who organized the
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:02 AM
Aug 2015

Seattle protest and is involved with a Farrakhan group. He is virulently antisemitic

JI7

(89,247 posts)
65. my point is that there is nothing to show that most or even that many black people
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:12 AM
Aug 2015

would support getting behind this whole Farrakhan thing .

JI7

(89,247 posts)
67. he has the same following he has always had
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:17 AM
Aug 2015

but never had most black americans behind him . if that was the case the clintons would never have the support from african americans that they have had.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
33. Prediction:
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:23 PM
Aug 2015

If BLM doesn't address this co-option of leadership, the movement crashes and burns. Spectacularly.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
44. I'm beginning to suspect that her behavior toward Bernie is at least in part because he's Jewish
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:16 AM
Aug 2015

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
84. Yes, she also posted a FreePalestine hash tag on her facebook rant against Sanders.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:57 AM
Aug 2015

It seemed out of place at the time but now it makes perfect sense.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
64. Thank you for posting
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:11 AM
Aug 2015

Yes, she appears to be very involved in Farrakhan's latest production. I wonder if she will now be a guest speaker at the event?

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
68. I only saw this because of your OP
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:25 AM
Aug 2015

Agree with you about her being all over the place.

From the Christian Fundie to Palin fan to the anarchist reading links on their group's website resource page and to this.

She seems to be going from one extreme to another.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
60. Hopefully it's mostly about her being a joiner
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:57 AM
Aug 2015

She could just be seeing what's on the surface. Though with power comes responsibility. She's a prominent face of BLM now and some in the media will look at the associations she's making and file that away.

Well, she's engaging with life, nothing for me to be concerned with other than her decision to deny people the chance to hear Sanders. Hopefully she'll move on from that. I really hope no one with any influence with her eggs her on to try a repeat.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
69. Bernie had BLM open for his rally tonight
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:27 AM
Aug 2015

You can stop trying to discredit them now.

Know who else joined the Nation of Islam? Malcom X.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
74. It's a decentralized organization
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:52 AM
Aug 2015

The individuals targeting the Sanders campaign don't necessarily represent anyone more than themselves.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
85. Pointing out Marissa's anti-Semitism is not "trying to discredit" BLM.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:10 AM
Aug 2015

She called him a white supremacist and a Zionist Saturday and it looks like we know why thanks to the op.

You can stop trying to defend her bigotry now, BainsBane.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
70. I've been wondering about this too. Given this OP and looking at the other links
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:27 AM
Aug 2015

Listen to this and it makes sense...the LF connection. The language the focus on Native American, Latino and Blacks etc. with the 'or else' campaign.



I haven't listened to it all, I just found it...so I don't know everything about this YouTube.

They say they're ready for the 'or else' now....sounds threatening.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
77. Thank you there have been somethings in the rhetoric surrounding this that seemed reminiscent
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:44 AM
Aug 2015

of Farrakhan, now I know it wasn't just me 'trippin'

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
79. an NoI Christian? makes about as much sense as anything else
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 03:32 AM
Aug 2015

he's also well-known for "entryism," though it's an iffy concept

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
83. She has described herself as "a militant Christian."
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:19 AM
Aug 2015

Militant Christian / Militant Muslim. Odd alliance, but I notice a common thread.

I find I prefer militant atheists, to be sure.

It is sad the the United States has not evolved past the horrid hatefulness of antisemitism.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
116. This article says she did.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:10 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.examiner.com/article/blm-protester-who-interrupted-bernie-sanders-does-not-support-sarah-palin

When asked whether or not she was a Sarah Palin supporter, Johnson said that her interracial parents were Tea Party members and supporters of the former half term governor of Alaska, but that she no longer holds those views. "Clearly that’s not where I am, because people leave high school and go to college ," Johnson said, but did acknowledged that she was "a Christian extremist." "So, yes, I did run up there and confront Bernie Sanders because of my religious conviction, absolutely. Are they right-wing religious convictions? No."


I haven't watched the interview posted above, but I assume that is where the quote came from.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
87. Anyone or anything that associates themselves with Farrakhan
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 06:31 AM
Aug 2015

associates themselves with antisemitism, bigotry and homophobia. It'll be interesting to see if Marissa follows through and actually helps this swine with some kind of march. That hate can't be bottled up forever, it has to spill sometime. When it happens, I hope whoever defends this girl have enough energy to wipe the egg on their faces and explain themselves. Birds of a feather and all that.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
90. If BLM aligns itself with screwy louie
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:47 AM
Aug 2015

They're done. And I do mean done. There isn't a politician in the entire country that would endorse that antisemitic piece of crap.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
94. More than not productive
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:26 AM
Aug 2015

It would pit two strong, reliably Democratic factions against each other and hurt the party as a whole. It would be a disaster.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
91. This appears the way it started with...MLK and Malcolm X...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:17 AM
Aug 2015

I remember watching the news as a young teenager, and how White people were so outraged at MLK (the more mild-mannered of the two) and Malcolm X. But both fed-up with the way black people were being treated, killed/lynched, etc.

It's either a bunch of scared White people and/or a bunch of frightened Black people. Whites don't understand why African Americans don't calm down until it's worked out, and Black don't understand why they keep killing them.

There still is nothing new under the sun, as my mother would say. Nothing changes.





Stellar

(5,644 posts)
95. I only know what I remember and felt as a black person back in the day.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:29 AM
Aug 2015

and listening to my parents talk.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
96. Farrakhan is virulently antisemitic. I certainly wouldn't tell you or any other poc
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:33 AM
Aug 2015

who you should or shouldn't associate yourself with, but I won't pretend that someone as bigoted and filled with hate as Farrakhan is ok with me.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
121. Agreed
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:38 PM
Aug 2015

Fear Mongering, skip right pass the BLM point too I hope they don’t go after Bernie Sanders WTF?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
98. Very dishonest on your part. Very.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:35 AM
Aug 2015

I like a page on facebook that states fish should not be kept as pets because it is cruel. Because I am a member of that page, you would simply assume I support that thought. Wow. Simpleton thoughts. POC are use to this type of marginalization. Unfortunately, because of du rules, I cannot say what it truly is.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
100. Except she joined Nation of Islam's organizing committee
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:49 AM
Aug 2015

It's a little more than just liking a page. She JOINED their group and is WORKING with them, under the BLM banner. It will destroy the movement, capiche?

She and her friend are front and center on this page:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1174631069230305/

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
103. Capiche? No. It is only a wish of yours being disguised as something else.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:58 AM
Aug 2015

That is blatantly clear from assumptions you derive from a like on a facebook page. Marginalization. Seen it before. Know what it is.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
108. There is a difference on Facebook between liking a page...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:30 AM
Aug 2015

and JOINING a group event. I know if I joined a KKK Group on Facebook and began working for an event they were planning, I would lose a lot of friends.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
99. I think the continuing dirt digging on Marissa Jenae Johnson is counter productive.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:32 AM
Aug 2015

Folks need to let this go.

However you feel about her methods, She did point out several issues regarding 'liberal' cities in the Northwest.
Namely that police brutality against Blacks has reached a breaking point even in liberal Portland where the cops are under Federal oversite.
Also, I think she points out, rightly, that white liberals like to pat themselves on the back for how 'liberal' the areas that they live in are, ignoring the fact that others, in different parts of the same city may be having a completely different life 'experience.'


Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
105. Someone that get it
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:09 AM
Aug 2015

She one person out of a whole movement

Black people are fed up of being "political football"
We are are fed up with empty promises and we fed up with trigger happy police

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
106. Thanks for that.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:20 AM
Aug 2015
"Black people are fed up of being "political football"
We are are fed up with empty promises and we fed up with trigger happy police"


And rightfully so.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
107. Sorry you're missing the bigger picture
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

that is causing concern. BLM is leaderless. Each city's BLM group acts independently. I doubt very seriously if the BLM groups nationwide, would agree with Farrakhan co-opting factions of their movement, for his own nefarious goals. SOME of Seattle's BLM members are actively working for Farrakhan. Tying BLM to Farrakhan will destroy their credibility. If BLM founders choose to support BLM activists who do Farrakhan's bidding, they do so at their own peril.

If I didn't care about the BLM movement, and didn't want to see it succeed, I would have just remained silent and allowed this pending powder keg to explode. It is my hope that KNOWLEDGE of what Farrakhan is doing here, will head his efforts off at the pass. He has wanted to incite a race war in this country for decades. Do we really want to see him take control of BLM and succeed? Listen to the "Or Else" video I posted in the original OP. LISTEN to him eviscerate all of the black leaders...Obama, Rev. Jackson, Rev. Sharpton. He's calling for the death of the Democratic Party, as well as violence and death across the country.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
110. I'm not missing the 'bigger' picture
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:34 AM
Aug 2015

I'm pretty sure that the bulk of the Black community is wise to the NOI.
I think it is a stretch to make the kind of linkage that you have made at this point.
Ms. Johnson is a young woman who is trying to find her place in the world and the core of what she had to say is entirely relevant.
Could she have been more tactful? Yes, but being an activist is not always a tactful enterprise.
But to make a case that this is an anti-Semitic plot based on her facebook 'likes' is reaching.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
115. +1 I have discussed the opposition research being done on her in this light.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:02 PM
Aug 2015

So much of what she says is simply true.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
104. lol
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:03 AM
Aug 2015

Farrakhan is no one and is not threat sorry

The real threat is the policemen/police union who kill/ vilify black people

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
112. really
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:51 AM
Aug 2015

how many people has he killed ?

Because to me cops are way more dangerous -1083 people have been killed August 9th 2014 - August 9th 2015

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
119. he hardly has to kill anyone to be a hate filled bigot.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:24 PM
Aug 2015

And he is preaching violence in an emotionally charged environmental.

You set an awfully low bar

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
124. never said he doesnt have hateful views
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:43 PM
Aug 2015

I simply ask who actions have resulted in the death of 1083 people ?

its not him , it's the men and women that have badges and guns, and who go unpunished because the system protect them

Farrakhan is a peon

I say : If cops stop killing people and were held accountable when they did wrong would there wouldn't be "emotionally charged environment"

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
122. what's the purpose of this post?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:42 PM
Aug 2015

...does this young woman who isn't running for anything really deserve this character attack? To what end? How far would you go to negatively affect this young woman's life? All of that in defense of a politician? I think this is a questionable effort, at best. At worst, I think this is lousy way to treat a private citizen exercising her free speech rights. In proportion to the risk from her efforts to this seasoned and resourced politician, this effort is heavy-handed and a bit creepy.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
126. Oh, was that screeching she directed at Sanders
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:11 PM
Aug 2015

her way of using her free speech?

I sure hope she gets better at it.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
125. How the hell did you find this?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:59 PM
Aug 2015

I googled "SeajusticeorElse and all I got back was your post and a FB group called "Brothas Buildin'--which has a pro-Bernie Sanders post on their front page.

This took some serious digging.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
128. I have an AA twitter friend
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:29 PM
Aug 2015

who just wants a black candidate. Even Farrakhan will do. She doesn't believe any of the candidates take black lives seriously, even Sanders. Not saying I agree, just repeating what she thinks.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
130. She's had a AA president and an AA AG. Exactly how has having AAs in top jobs
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

improved the lot of AA's confronting police and the criminal justice system?

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
133. I am so fucking mad about this. How can this topic be framed so Bernie
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:05 PM
Aug 2015

can survive the ugly intentions of these people.

I'm not a campaign manager or campaign strategist, but I would love to know WHAT CAN BE DONE to stop the damage!?

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