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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm all for legalizing marijuana, but I have to take the claim that
it kills cancer cells with a grain of salt. As far as I know, chemotherapy interferes with all cells, cancerous and non-cancerous. It's largely a race to kill the cancer cells before too many normal cells are killed. So why should I believe that marijuana can somehow kill only cancer cells?
For the record, I think the reason to legalize marijuana is that the War on Drugs has caused far more damage than marijuana ever could, even if marijuana was as harmful as some claim. Alcohol has wreaked far more havoc with my family than marijuana ever could!
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)That was just stupid, because it is not addictive and it does have some medical uses, particularly for chronic pain issues.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)too bad there are no studies on this.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)expensive THC based medicines. Doesn't matter though. Writing is on the wall. It will be on a bunch of ballots come 2016.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)It's called Marinol. It's used for nausea from chemotherapy and to stimulate appetite in AIDS and cancer patients. But by being just THC, the high it produces is not as pleasant as from real hemp, and many people find it decidedly UNPLEASANT. Like marijuana, it can also cause paranoia.
Marijuana has many psychoactive compounds that work together.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And the research is gooood.
Kidding, but in all honesty, it works on my Raynaud's, reflux, and what it does for my peripheral neuropathy is nothing short of amazing. I hope actual tests are done, so others can share in the good treatment.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)for similar reasons as you stated.
I do not necessarily think it is a magic cure-all for everything. But it has its uses.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)It seems to inhibit tumor growth: http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/cannabinoids-as-cancer-hope
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)I'm just dubious that it can treat tumors with no side effects.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:16 PM - Edit history (1)
If hamburgers had been criminalized decades ago, we would be hearing about the 'miracle effects' of hamburger usage.
Just legalize it and get these stupid stories off of media.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)It seems silly NOT to go look for yourself, instead of forming a notion based on 'as far as you know' since chemo and MJ are not even in the same ballpark.
The evidence is out there, you just have to go read it for yourself.
The OP is silly.
NathanSharp
(16 posts)Its not really the marijuana but concentrated extracts of certain cannabinoids that shrink the cancer. There's cannabinoid receptors all over the body. CB1 and CB2. Cancer may proliferate when these systems are out of balance, and the stimulation of these receptors via cannabinoids may be helpful. It makes sense since they are tied to immune function (namely the CB2 receptor which cannabidiol in particular stuimulates) which is important in fighting cancer.
Simply smoking marijuana isn't helpful in fighting cancer, because the dosage doesn't deliver a high enough concentration of the cannabinoids that would help in killing cancer. It is helpful, though, as an appetite stimmulant for chemotherapy patients though, which is actually very crucial for surviving the treatment.
http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabis-pdq
There are a lot of medical benefits, so much that I don't even think it should be taxes for genuine medical use.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)The Cancer.Gov page with the claims isn't new either. I've personally posted it numerous times here and it's usually ignored.
http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq#section/all
Antitumor activity
Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells
Did you know the Feds own a patent on the use of the main ingredient in Cannabis? That's been posted since the mid 2000's and usually ignored. Why is that?
US Patent #6630507
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)But while it won't be a panacea, legalization or the pro-pot lobby has spurred research into several areas. I like to believe most people understand the smoking, eating or vaping pot isn't going to cure cancer, and if it turns out That properties in marijuana are a perfect treatment for some cancers, they know that cancer is so complex that it won't even be a good treatment for many cancers.
Just as I like to believe that people understand driving impaired is (I think driving and texting is a form of inpairment) dangerous. In Washington state--they just released new stats revealing increased driving deaths with positive toxicologies for THC --although the deaths were NOT just pot alone, so make of it what you will.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)but I'm also noting the fact that weed stays in the system for a while, so determining whether someone toked an hour or a day before getting behind the wheel may be difficult.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)There is a more definitive test that can be used for remote vs recent use--we use it on patients who have possible substance abuse issues during the pre or post transplant process, but I doubt they used it in this case.
Anyway-here's an article:
Data released Tuesday indicate that the number of Washington drivers involved in deadly crashes who tested positive for active marijuana doubled from 2013 to 2014 - the first year of legal marijuana sales in the state.
Commission member Shelly Baldwin says that's alarming - especially considering that the number of alcohol-related fatal crashes has been dropping.
The number of drivers involved in fatal crashes who tested positive for active THC, the main psychoactive compound in marijuana, had held fairly steady from 2010 to 2013 - between 32 and 38 per year. That number jumped to 75 in 2014, and about half were above the state's legal limit for marijuana-impaired driving.
The commission says many of those drivers also tested positive for alcohol or other drugs.
http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2015/08/20/fatal-crashes-involving-marijuana-double-in-washington/32084631/
eShirl
(18,490 posts)There's more than one way to skin an onion
Logical
(22,457 posts)do some real studies.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)I think they are saying that maybe experimentally it shrinks some cancer cells.
I can think of friends who died of breast cancer, liver cancer, brain cancer and melanoma who were smokers so I think it's maybe something worthy of studying but not extrapolating into that it cures cancer.
I'm for full legalization though. Not because of any supposed health benefits but just because it is just not that dangerous and makes no sense to give somebody a criminal record for.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)cancer cells are dramatically different from healthy cells and THC apparently communicates with cancer cells using certain cell receptors.
It doesn't poison them.