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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:54 AM Sep 2015

Report: Guns will probably kill more young Americans than car accidents in 2015

Young Americans are more likely to die from guns than car accidents for the first time in decades.

The Economist charted the forecast for 2015 and beyond, based on an analysis of federal data by the Center for American Progress:

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What's behind this change? It's not that gun violence is getting worse. The number of deaths from car accidents is on the decline, thanks in some part to fewer drunk driving deaths. Deaths from gun violence also dropped, along with all violent crime, since the early 1990s. But gun-related deaths have failed to drop significantly further in recent years, held up by homicides, suicides, and accidents.

Gun-related deaths are much higher in the US than other countries. The Center for American Progress reported, "American children and teenagers are 4 times more likely to die by gunfire than their counterparts in Canada, 7 times more likely than young people in Israel, and 65 times more likely to be killed with a gun than children and teenagers in the United Kingdom."


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There are now 14 states in which you are more likely to die from a gun than an automobile accident...

A report out on Tuesday from the Violence Policy Center confirms yet again the lunacy of America’s loose gun policies.

The report contains the striking finding that gun deaths exceeded motor vehicle deaths in 14 states and the District of Columbia in 2011, the latest year for which the relevant data are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That’s up from 12 states in 2010 and 9 states in 2009.

The 2011 states are Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, Virginia and Washington State, as well as the District of Columbia.


In Alaska, for example, there were 126 gun deaths and 87 motor vehicle deaths. The numbers in Ohio were 1,227 gun deaths and 1,178 motor vehicle deaths.

Nationwide, the number of motor vehicle deaths still exceeded gun deaths: 35,543 to 32,351. But consider that in 2009 the spread was much larger – 42,624 motor vehicles deaths nationwide and 28,874 gun deaths.


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Report: Guns will probably kill more young Americans than car accidents in 2015 (Original Post) Agschmid Sep 2015 OP
Another 3x5 card argument from the NRA playbook goes out the window. onehandle Sep 2015 #1
Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #2
Interesting. The NSC says otherwise. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #3
Yes "cherry picked"... Agschmid Sep 2015 #4
That separation makes perfect sense. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #7
The link also seperates out accidental firearms... Agschmid Sep 2015 #8
Sure. Accidents are obviously very different in terms of cause, as well. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #10
Yes, cherry picked. And by a partisan source with an agenda cleanhippie Sep 2015 #14
Yeah I think my agenda is pretty clear. Agschmid Sep 2015 #15
The estimation in the OP is for young adults only Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #11
Also the new graph seperates gun incidents into three categories... Agschmid Sep 2015 #12
There's a lot wrong with the comparison Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #13
Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #16
guns are so mean....why won't they stop killing. ileus Sep 2015 #5
They sure create an efficient method to kill. Agschmid Sep 2015 #6
Just doing their jobs world wide wally Sep 2015 #9
You really are not helping your side. Wow are you a jerk at times. Nt Logical Sep 2015 #17
I was just agreeing with the OP. ileus Sep 2015 #18
For some reason, the Admins keep him around. ellisonz Sep 2015 #19

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. Another 3x5 card argument from the NRA playbook goes out the window.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:59 AM
Sep 2015

Time to require insurance for gun nuts. Each gun insured and inspected annually.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
3. Interesting. The NSC says otherwise.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:05 AM
Sep 2015



Motor Vehicle aciidents :1 - 112

Assault by firearm: 1 - 358

MedHealth also says otherwise.

http://www.medhelp.org/general-health/articles/The-25-Most-Common-Causes-of-Death/193?page=3


It's always interesting when the actual facts are examined, instead of using sources that cherry-pick data to support an agenda.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
4. Yes "cherry picked"...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015

Such as separating self harm and gun violence into their own categories.

But ask yourself this how many suicides are committed with guns...

Then I think you'll have your answer.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
7. That separation makes perfect sense.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

The causal factors behind suicide and murder could hardly be more different. If one's goal is to reduce rates of each, they have to be considered separately.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
10. Sure. Accidents are obviously very different in terms of cause, as well.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:29 AM
Sep 2015

Accidental death by firearm used to be much, much higher. Part of that drop is due to the increasing prevalence of more-modern, safer designs. But progress can still be made in gun safety education. That used to be a big part of what the NRA did. That organization still conducts such training...but I wish it were still one of their main focuses (rather than reflexive opposition to all proposed gun regulations).

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
14. Yes, cherry picked. And by a partisan source with an agenda
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015

And nice try moving the goalposts.

Which tells me all I need to know about YOUR agenda.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
15. Yeah I think my agenda is pretty clear.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

But I don't know what your talking about when it comes to moving the goal posts.

This is pretty easy to understand based on CDC provided data.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
11. The estimation in the OP is for young adults only
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:34 AM
Sep 2015

and the graphic you posted is lifetime odds. Apples, meet oranges.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
12. Also the new graph seperates gun incidents into three categories...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:37 AM
Sep 2015

Shall we do the same with cars?

What a non argument.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
13. There's a lot wrong with the comparison
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015

not the least of which is that the estimations are from different data inputs.

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