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Ignore the profanity and just enjoy - a bit of POTUS levity (Original Post) Mira Sep 2015 OP
Ignore JackInGreen Sep 2015 #1
Sometimes you just have to mock stupid people iandhr Sep 2015 #5
I like that. rusty quoin Sep 2015 #2
Fucking perfect… dhill926 Sep 2015 #3
This is perfect! Thanks, Mira! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #4
That's got to go on my Facebook page TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #6
And we hope over the brink. Maybe that relative will finally understand. erronis Sep 2015 #13
It's all part of the plan awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #7
So, what you're saying is... Psephos Sep 2015 #8
So, what you're saying is... PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #10
Not me. Psephos Sep 2015 #17
It's not a 'negative'. It's an opposite. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #24
"Islamic based beliefs" Psephos Sep 2015 #26
The President identifies as a Christian. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #29
You're all over the map. Psephos Sep 2015 #31
No I'm not. Try and keep up with your own argument. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #35
Yeah..I got that message also...isn't there a better way to mock the GOP..... than to offend Muslims?! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #25
Fred, you hit the nail on the head. n/t Psephos Sep 2015 #27
Yet...hundreds of Rec.'s on DU....I guess folks do not see the insult...replace "Muslim" with any Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #37
Keep in mind Mrdie Sep 2015 #33
Why ignore the profanity? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #9
Made me look up "cromulent". Thanks for the edgecashun! erronis Sep 2015 #14
Made me look it up, too, and I 3catwoman3 Sep 2015 #28
A couple of definitions for cromulent; but I think crapulent would work just fine. erronis Sep 2015 #34
Mmmmm....Beer! FrodosPet Sep 2015 #11
No. As Olbermann pointed out 15 years ago, he is a Secret Muslim. GoCubsGo Sep 2015 #12
nice! Stellar Sep 2015 #15
That means nothing left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #16
He's a muslin, alright hifiguy Sep 2015 #18
You're on a roll malaise Sep 2015 #20
Isn't that a breakfast cereal? AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #30
D U Z Y !!!! yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #19
I embrace the profanity!! MNBrewer Sep 2015 #21
I call bullshit. He's just in disguise rurallib Sep 2015 #22
I'm glad this got posted to the front page - great call! tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #23
there are many muslims like that JI7 Sep 2015 #32
There are many Christians like that.....but I see little evidence of extremist Christians....except everywhere. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #36
According to Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.... Bohemianwriter Sep 2015 #38
Or maybe he's just a jack muslim! japple Sep 2015 #39
Lol 47of74 Sep 2015 #40

erronis

(15,155 posts)
13. And we hope over the brink. Maybe that relative will finally understand.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:59 PM
Sep 2015

Unfortunately, most people that have bought into (or having been paid into) a position have a hard time giving it up. Sometimes hitting their personal bottom is the best way towards recovery as a rational person.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
8. So, what you're saying is...
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:23 PM
Sep 2015

...Muslims are prolife, antigay, misogynist, antihygeine, prohibitionist.

The mirror image of a stereotype is also a stereotype.

No offense intended...just a thought experiment.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
17. Not me.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 06:18 PM
Sep 2015

But that's an implication suggested in the OP. Otherwise, why is it grouped with the other negatives?

I have many times heard unkind comments about Muslim headgear and Muslim facial hair.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
24. It's not a 'negative'. It's an opposite.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:33 PM
Sep 2015

Some assholes keep saying he's a secret Muslim. This is just pointing out all the things he does that do not jive with Islamic based beliefs. It in no way implies Muslim is bad. It's showing a delta, not demonizing.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
26. "Islamic based beliefs"
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:22 AM
Sep 2015

I get that assholes keep saying that he's a secret Muslim. Why is being "accused" of being a Muslim a bad thing? If we assume the stereotype, aren't we complicit in it?

Further, do you agree that antifeminism, homophobia, and suppression of abortion rights are typical of "Islamic based beliefs"?

Do you see where I'm coming from?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
29. The President identifies as a Christian.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:17 AM
Sep 2015

It's doubly insulting in this case, because not only is it an extension of the 'Kenyan' smear (which is actually a form of racism the way they are using it, on top of xenophobic), but it's that they don't even recognize one of their own. (People attacking the President in this way typically identify as Christian themselves, but they are Right wing politically, not Left.) No, I will happily stand up and point out the President is a Christian. Same assholes that insist on calling Caitlyn Jenner a man. She identifies as Female. That's her choice, not theirs to define her. You don't address that problem by piping up 'so what if he's a man, what's wrong with that'. That would be stark raving ridiculous.

It's never a 'bad thing' to correct the record, especially when people are lying to hurt someone else.


The three issues you just identified are typical of Catholic beliefs as well, so makes no nevermind if Islamic or Christian in this case (for some sects of Christian, also true of Muslims, as some countries that are Muslim still protect women's rights, or varying degrees thereof.). The pope has stated that homosexuality is 'internally disordered'. That same sex couples adopting children is a "form of discrimination against the child". That's homophobia. The Catholic church works tirelessly to deny women not only Abortion, but family planning of any means. That's not a stereotype, that's in the charter. (doctrine) They vote to curtail it. They lobby against it, they spend millions on it, and in countries where they are dominant voter blocs, they have a chokehold on it.


Psephos

(8,032 posts)
31. You're all over the map.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:31 AM
Sep 2015

Loss of focus dilutes the power of any line of argument. This isn't about Catholics, or Obama's alleged Christian beliefs. (BTW, it's common political knowledge he is agnostic at best - a plus in my book.) And I still don't understand how it can "hurt" the prez to "accuse" him of being Muslim unless being Muslim is a bad thing. Do you think that? I don't.

What this is about is *not* reinforcing stereotypes. My original post was intended to stimulate reflection about how we can unintentionally reinforce stereotypes if we merely proclaim their opposites.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
35. No I'm not. Try and keep up with your own argument.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:54 AM
Sep 2015
"Further, do you agree that antifeminism, homophobia, and suppression of abortion rights are typical of "Islamic based beliefs"? "


These are non- issues in this context, as I already specified a Christian sect of major political power in the U.S. That holds the same position. It would be a distinction without a difference. (the president is a different sect of Christian.)

You brought it up, not me.

The 'secret muslim' lie is part and parcel of a wider collection of 'secret socialist like his parents', Kenyan, and a whole pile of other lies rolled together, to discredit the first Black President.

Again, I refer you to the same crowds sexist, crude attacks on Jenner as an example of why you don't always just say 'so what if x is y' as a counterpoint. You'd actually be granting their smear is true. That's all they want.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. Yeah..I got that message also...isn't there a better way to mock the GOP..... than to offend Muslims?!
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:12 PM
Sep 2015

How do you ignore the profanity when it is most of the text?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
37. Yet...hundreds of Rec.'s on DU....I guess folks do not see the insult...replace "Muslim" with any
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:35 AM
Sep 2015

other religion, say Baptists, who are also very much anti-gay etc. and then maybe the insult is clear.

Mrdie

(115 posts)
33. Keep in mind
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 05:13 AM
Sep 2015

The people who think Obama is a Muslim don't think he's a "normal" Muslim. They think he wants to establish an Islamic theocracy, destroy Israel so that Muslims gain control of Jerusalem, persecute Christians, those sort of things, all on behalf of allies in Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and/or basically every other "scary" fundamentalist Muslim group or government.

And yet a cursory glance not only at his personal life but his foreign and domestic policies as President makes this accusation baseless.

erronis

(15,155 posts)
14. Made me look up "cromulent". Thanks for the edgecashun!
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 04:05 PM
Sep 2015

Besides the "fuck" is not text - it is part of an image. I'm guessing DU's censors don't do image/OCR to weed out the scurrilous shite.

In all cases, what a glorious photo. I hope this guy can keep enjoying life with his incredible wife and children. I see another ex-president that is as wonderful as Jimmy Carter (can't think of any other in recent memory.)

3catwoman3

(23,931 posts)
28. Made me look it up, too, and I
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:51 AM
Sep 2015

...came up empty in 2different dictionaries. Is this a word or not?

My phone app dictionary wanted to know, "Did you mean crapulent? Had to look that up, too. "Sick from gross excess in drinking or eating."

erronis

(15,155 posts)
34. A couple of definitions for cromulent; but I think crapulent would work just fine.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 06:42 AM
Sep 2015
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cromulent
Etymology
A humorous neologism coined by television writer David X. Cohen. It first appeared in the 1996 Simpsons episode Lisa the Iconoclast.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cromulent
Cromulent
Used in an ironical sense to mean legitimate, and therefore, in reality, spurious and not at all legitimate. Assumes common knowledge of the inherent Simpsons reference.

rurallib

(62,371 posts)
22. I call bullshit. He's just in disguise
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:00 PM
Sep 2015

making you fools fall believe he's not Muslin by doing many non-Muslin things

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
23. I'm glad this got posted to the front page - great call!
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:06 PM
Sep 2015

Too funny for words, and yet, there they are!

JI7

(89,233 posts)
32. there are many muslims like that
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:39 AM
Sep 2015

people just don't assume or think they are muslim unless they are told .

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
36. There are many Christians like that.....but I see little evidence of extremist Christians....except everywhere.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:33 AM
Sep 2015
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