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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 12:46 AM Sep 2015

Is your spouse actually a member of your family? Not in Ohio, it would seem

https://www.toledoblade.com/Medical/2015/09/02/Court-rules-Ohio-spouses-are-eligible-for-Medicaid.html

In a decision that could have far-reaching effects, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that Ohio must count an applicant’s spouse as a member of his family when determining eligibility for financial assistance to pay Medicare bills.

A three-judge panel of the Cincinnati-based U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals told the state it can’t exclude a beneficiary’s spouse when it comes to income calculations simply because the federal law doesn’t define the word “family.”

At issue is a program under Medicaid, the federal-state insurance program for the poor, that helps low-income Ohioans pay their premiums, co-payments, and deductibles under Medicare, the federal health insurance for senior citizens.

The larger the family, the more a beneficiary may earn and be eligible for that financial help.

“Ask 100 Americans whether a 74-year-old man’s ‘family’ includes his wife who lives with him, and every one of those Americans will likely say yes,” 6th Circuit Judge Raymond M. Kethledge wrote. “But the Ohio Department of Medicaid answered no, with the result that it denied Joe Turner’s application for benefits under the Medicaid Act.”

“It should have been clear to Ohio that the word ‘family,’ as used in the provisions here, does not mean whatever the state’s officials want it to mean, but instead includes at least a beneficiary’s resident spouse,” Judge Kethledge wrote.



Comment by Don McCanne of PNHP: What kind of bureaucrat would make a decision that Medicaid benefits can be denied to an applicant by arbitrarily declaring that the applicant’s spouse is not part of the family and thus the family is too small to qualify? Perhaps Ohio’s family-values Governor John Kasich could explain, if he weren’t so busy running for President.

The real lesson here is that we really need to question the wisdom behind the multitude of health reform proposals that would provide federal grants to states and allow them to craft their own health care financing policies. It’s bad enough that states can refuse to participate in the Medicaid expansion, depriving millions of the health care that they should have. Just imagine the liberties they could take if allowed to make decisions such as redefining a family as having only one spouse when there are actually two.

Although a single payer system would be administered on a state or regional basis, the basic requirements would be established at the federal level. An example is the Canada Health Act which simply requires public administration, comprehensiveness, universality, portability and accessibility. Although their single payer systems are administered on the provincial level, there are no provinces that exclude a spouse from the definition of a family.

In the United States, it would not work to have federal legislation defining a national health program that is as simply stated as in the Canada Health Act. We have a track record of shameless gaming of the system to the detriment of patient care. That’s why we need greater specifications of the requirements - such as those in HR 676, the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, by Rep. John Conyers with 51 cosponsors. We really can’t turn the decisions over the bureaucrats in supposed family-values states who actually don’t believe in family values.
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Is your spouse actually a member of your family? Not in Ohio, it would seem (Original Post) eridani Sep 2015 OP
This applies to Red state Wisconsin...... riversedge Sep 2015 #1
Yes. The Canadian system is run by the provinces, but they MUST conform-- eridani Sep 2015 #2
Is Ohio commonlaw or community property? Recursion Sep 2015 #3
I would think that either way, being married settles the issue of whether you are in the same-- eridani Sep 2015 #4

riversedge

(70,174 posts)
1. This applies to Red state Wisconsin......
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 12:58 AM
Sep 2015




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The real lesson here is that we really need to question the wisdom behind the multitude of health reform proposals that would provide federal grants to states and allow them to craft their own health care financing policies.............


Walker is too busy campaigning to do anything about this. But I wonder if he would anyway--he uses it to claim ACA is a failure. damn him!


#ScottWalker Administration’s Lax Health Insurance Regulation Costly for Wisconsin Consumers http://www.citizenactionwi.org/walker_administration_s_lax_health_insurance_regulation_costly_for_wisconsin_consumers … via @CitizenActionWI

eridani

(51,907 posts)
2. Yes. The Canadian system is run by the provinces, but they MUST conform--
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:06 AM
Sep 2015

--to strict national standards. Of course, ACA does leave openings for state single payer.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Is Ohio commonlaw or community property?
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:48 AM
Sep 2015

IIRC this question is actually pretty thorny in terms of legal history and gets treated very differently in a lot of states.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
4. I would think that either way, being married settles the issue of whether you are in the same--
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:51 AM
Sep 2015

--family or not. And with marriage equality, this is now true across the board.

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