The Perfect Argument To Shut Down ‘Illegals Are Stealing Our Jobs’ Rhetoric

[kpete]

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[daleanime]

1. Perfect.

[Travis_0004]

6. You agree with this?

So lets say you work in construction. You are skilled, own your own tools and you have your own experience.

Somebody comes to this country, and will work for 10 bucks and hour under the table, when you want to be paid a living wage (plus your employer has to pay healthcare, and all taxes associated with hiring an employee.

Therefore the employer hires the undocumented immigrant because they are cheaper. It doesn't mean that the person out of a job has no skills, it just means somebody is willing to do it for less than they will.

[Chan790]

7. Yes.

A person who is "skilled, own your own tools and you have your own experience" who is in direct competition for work with someone who speaks no English, has no tools, is unskilled and unexperienced willing to work for so little has aimed way too low on their employment prospects.

They should take it as motivation to seek a less entry-level construction position.

[Bonx]

10. Ah, 'Get a better job!'

That'll sell.

[Chan790]

12. In this case, it's true.

If you're an experienced tradesman, you're not in competition with unskilled laborers unless you're applying to jobs a great deal below your experience and skill level. The fastest remedy to that would be "set your sights a little higher."

[Throd]

14. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps!

It might be able to "set your sights a little higher" and improve yourself if you weren't having your wage dragged down by illegal employment.

[whatthehey]

19. If you want to make an absolute fortune in the trades with no illegal competition it's piss easy

Show up to appointments and do quotes. That alone would remove you from 90%+ of tradespeople in my fairly long experience.

[Bonx]

15. In an ideal job market this is true.

Sometimes not.

[Brickbat]

17. The sign said nothing about being skilled or unskilled, or owning their own tools.

Plenty of skilled undocumented workers and the outfits that "employ" them go beyond competing with legal employees or contractors -- they directly undercut them.

[Travis_0004]

18. Good to know

If I need some tile work done on a construction project, why bother hiring a union crew.

I'll hire some undocumented immigrants at half the cost, and tell the union guys to suck it up and set their sights hire.

Maybe give them some boot straps as well?

[benld74]

73. My next door neighbor is notorious for hiring

ragtag crews to do work around his home. His experiences are below
In ground sprinkler system - Used 4 years, 1st year broken line due to not draining system prior to freeze, 2nd year various sprinkler head exploded due to prior year freezing and not checking condition in 2nd year, 3rd year broken valve on main line-see 1st year.
Work done in house detail unknown Home broken into, they have an alarm system which was mysteriously shutoff. Came thru back garage door, dog did not bark(must have known intruders) laptop, cash various items taken
Concrete back porch installed - Lacks hand rails as coded by city
Currently installing outdoor hot tub - Am waiting for problems to occur

The OLD adage is You get what you pay for

[TheFarseer]

72. no, they're in competition with contractors that have crews of illegal immigrants

Lots of people just go with the lowest estimate and don't consider that illegal immigrants without the necessary experience are going to do the actual work. Then we have to have shows like catch a contractor to sort this all out. Besides, do you what this has done to the wages paid to, let's say, a roofer?

[mikeysnot]

11. It is called Illegal Employment

and if the Government started fining businesses that hire illegals this would not be an issue.

All the idiots that foam at the mouth over this blame Mexicans but are oblivious of the European Illegals.

"Illegals" is a dog whistle for the racists and xenophobes.

[pampango]

22. Obama has fined and jailed many, many times as many 'illegal' employers as any other president.

Illegal immigration is and has been at a net of zero for several years.

That does not stop Trump, his nativist supporters and a few DU'ers (not you, mikeysnot) from blaming them for all our problems while the 1% go untouched.

[cascadiance]

62. THIS is the problem, and "guest worker" programs have basically made this kind of employment "legal"

This is the problem with H-1B and H-2B/H-2A employment programs that basically LET employers hire foreign workers *legally* who come most of the time temporarily at:

a) reduced wages,
b) reduced ability to move to different jobs,
c) temporary time period,
d) unable to unionize,
e) unable to vote

.. and most of the time these people are supporting off-shore families at perhaps a TENTH of the cost of living that domestic workers have to support their families here for. This reduced amount of expenditures for a temporary amount of time:

a) lets the worker work for less and still be able to save money that a domestic worker can't.
b) sends the money they earn OUT of our economy so that it stimulates other world economies rather than our own, when spent.
c) the worker gets the skills and experience instead of domestic workers (even a bigger problem for H-1B visa jobs) that ultimately goes overseas to other places like Bangalore, India instead of building up domestic worker skills, experience, and talents.

Who benefits here? Just the wealthy who can get people to work for them for less, and therefore they pocket more of the money instead of paying it to workers the way they should. Our growing wealth economic gap statistics and who gets the benefits of increased productivity shows that this is what is happening.

And looking at the way that it has been documented how H-2B/H-2A workers had been abused after they were brought in to take Americans' jobs after Katrina, you can see how much employers abuse workers like this where it is documented. In the case of illegals, this kind of abuse is probably even more prevalent and not documented.

http://www.thenation.com/article/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison/

There is a claim that they come from Mexico to "do the jobs we won't do". The real line should be that they come from South America to "do the jobs Americans CAN'T AFFORD TO DO AT THE WAGES THEY WANT TO PAY". If they paid living wages for these jobs instead of pay that only foreigners can afford to work for to send back home to families living at a cost of living often times a 10th of what ours is, then Americans would do this work.

Now, might that mean we have higher costs of food, etc.? Maybe to some degree, but it should also mean that people actually have jobs where they can afford food, etc. whether it is higher priced or lower priced. It would also mean there is more balance in pay between those who own or manage businesses and those who do the work for them at some point, and that by doing so, everyone can afford to buy stuff and put that money back in to our economy, which ultimately will help grow those businesses anyway.

And if we coupled that with raising the top marginal tax rate to be what it was pre-Reagan times, then more business owners would seek to put the business earnings back in the business rather than pay themselves too much, looking to shelter that money from taxation the way they used to.

The last things we should be doing is helping fuel the notion that they come to do the work that we won't do. That notion doesn't benefit American workers, and fuels the xenophobia that is prevalent on the right too. We should be looking to help organize workers globally so that there is no "bottom to race to" any more, reduce the "free trade" deals that look to facilitate the "race to the bottom" corporate agendas, and to help streamline our immigration process too, and encourage those that really want to just immigrate here and become a part of our country to go that route instead of trying to get here as a "guest worker" or "undocumented worker" when that route has been currently cut off (and I would say intentionally cut off by those serving pro corporate exploiter's interests)

This article is long, but it starts to look at the various forces trying to push guest worker programs over the years, that have had various different agendas behind them. A good quote from Teddy Roosevelt sums things up nicely here:

Never under any condition should this nation look at an immigrant as
primarily a labor unit. He should always be looked at primarily as a
future citizen.

-- Theodore Roosevelt, 1917

http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=dorothy_hill

[quickesst]

20. Your post....

.... describes to a tee what happened to myself. Retired from construction in 2010, and not because I wanted to. Of course, if anything was said I was labeled a racist wanting to "deny poor brown people the opportunity to make a better life for their families" by working for lower wages. Now I see h-1b workers replacing those employed by the tech industry, but they're not being racist when they want to "deny poor brown people the opportunity to make a better life their families".....by working for lower wages. Funny how that works when the only difference is the legal aspect. Importance by class? My opinion is the OP is way off base with this argument.

[Travis_0004]

23. You should have set your sights higher.

According to other DU members in this thread.

I do find it a bit odd that H1-B visa holders take over IT jobs, and there is outrage on DU, but nobody cares about the construction industry. Its quite elitist, and a double standard.

[quickesst]

35. Construction...

... was my chosen profession early on. I liked the fact that at the end of each day I could look back and see what I had accomplished. One can't fault those who made the journey to better their lives. In their situation I think most would have done the same. I think most of the blame has to fall on the employers. The company that I worked for did not succumb to the lower lower wages for bigger profits. Unable to compete with the others anymore, they simply chose to close the doors. After almost 20 years with them, I just didn't have it in me to start over with a new company, even if there were jobs and livable wages available. I thanked my bosses for hanging in there as long as they did.

[Ikonoklast]

69. Quite a few members here who have never got their fingers dirty or broke a sweat to earn their pay

look down on anyone that does.

[treestar]

21. That is precisely because they are illegally here and can't demand minimum wage

or any other protections. Make it so they are legal and they are competing with people who know the language, etc.

[daleanime]

26. Yes, I am tired of people kicking down and kissing up....

some how all of our problems are caused by people with no power? We should to have a decent 'living floor' (I hate the 'safety net' phrase) so that the kind of crappy jobs that could be in contention are not a matter of life and death.

[Fred Sanders]

29. The vast California nut, legume, fruit and vegetable fields, etc., will not be picked for cheap by white folks.

Remember when the Senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill and the TeaHouse refused to even take it up?

Inform yourself:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-08-14/california-s-43-billion-farms-see-labor-in-immigrant-fix

[Travis_0004]

38. From the article

"His hands and face are weathered from years of work outdoors. He cleans strawberries earning $8.50 an hour working nine hours a day, six days a week. He plans to retire in two years. "

You are correct. I'm not willing to work 54 hours for 8.50 an hour.

There is a price point where people are willing to do a job, all we are doing setting the floor lower than Americans are willing to do it. If strawberries cost .25 cents more, so be it.


How do you feel about H1-B visa taking IT jobs.
Disney laid off a bunch of IT workers, because they could get H1-B workers for cheaper. Would you argue that white people are not willing to do those jobs, or that white people with a degree and experience are not willing to do it at the say payrate as somebody else.

[Fred Sanders]

39. Why do you want a discussion of the high end job troubles of only a few white people?? Ever been to an IT campus???

[ryan_cats]

45. Is it the small numbers or

Is it the small numbers or the white people that merited your answer?

Is that not the definition of racism?

[Fred Sanders]

50. No! It is not the defintion!! But your posts obviously show you are getting warm...

[ryan_cats]

53. Not an answer.

Not an answer. Permission to treat witness as hostile.

[Fred Sanders]

55. Not a question. Permission denied!

[ryan_cats]

57. Do you hate the small numbers or?

Do you hate the small numbers or the white people?
That is the question as noted by the ? mark.

[padfun]

46. My experience in the IT field

is that SO many whites think that just because they know how to use a mouse, they think they should be hired as network engineers. Few know any basic programming skills, few know even how to configure a basic IP connection, and yet they will bitch because they cant find a "good paying job."

Some Visual Basic (And this will compile):

public function GetAJob() as string
Dim Experience as integer
Experience = 0
If Experience = 0
Then GetAJob = "Those Furreners are taking out jobs"
Else GetAJob = "Hey, I got an IT Job!"
End If
End function

[historylovr]

61. +1

[questionseverything]

81. taxes, fees and insurance make up between 25-40% of the cost of a legal employer's bid

for the guy hiring undocumented workers to do the work, he does not have those costs so of course he can underbid jobs

first it was landscaping crews, then drywalling crews,then painting crews,then framing crews,flooring crews and on it goes

i have a lot of compassion for those coming to seek a better life but those of us already here have got to be able to live too

it is just going to get worse and worse with climate change eventually making many places inhabitable

i do not know what the solution is but i just wanted you to know you are not alone

[treestar]

2. Good one!

The American always has the advantage anyway. The language, knowing the cultural expectations.

[Brickbat]

3. A willingness to work on the cheap and off the books is a desirable skill for many employers.

I don't see this as a perfect argument.

[ryan_cats]

4. Ah, the smug look of someone 17 years old who has all the answers.

Ah, the smug look of someone 17 years old who has all the answers.

As to no connections, how about other immigrants or family?

I am not against immigration, I wouldn't be here otherwise.

[lumberjack_jeff]

5. +1 n/t

[LanternWaste]

8. The smug look of a 17 year old with all the answered are often

The smug look of a 17 year old with all the answered are often criticized with smug responses of adults who have all the answers.

[ryan_cats]

24. A child shall lead us.

Would you take investing advice from a 17 year old, medical advice? Why not? I'll tell you why. Because no one cares what someone 17 YO has to say because they're 17 and haven't any life experiences no matter their intelligence.

The OP said this is the perfect argument against... and it's not, it's a terrible argument and if you go to the site it's from, you can see how they think it's just the perfect come back. It is not.

See that smirk on her face that you no doubt hated when it was on W's face, see the sign, read the sign. Who is taking the picture, was that the plan? Show up with a stupid argument, smirk, take a picture and then no doubt an A from the Government teacher in 11th grade and the fawning adulation of people with more emotions than brains.

Someone posted something equally ridiculous a few days ago about how this single picture refutes Ayn Rand, more emotionalism from someone who probably couldn't even name one of her books.

[Bonx]

13. You don't think she's framed any houses ?

or dug trenches for drain tile ?

[Fred Sanders]

28. Smug look of being correct..the jobs being "stolen" will not be done by the folks in the lawn chair!

[cascadiance]

64. Smug look of being MISLEAD, when it is the employers that don't want to pay a LIVING WAGE!!!

A LIVING WAGE is what American workers want, and is why there is so much demand now for higher minimum wage, while the owner class wants to keep guest worker programs and non-prosecution of illegal employment of undocumented workers happening so that they continue to be able to hire people at non-living wages for Americans and reward themselves with more profits, while laughing at women like this who in effect distract from the real issues at stake for American (AND foreign workers who are being exploited too).

A better way of helping many workers in Mexico and other places south of the border is to END our corn subsidies, that allows ag companies to *dump* our corn products at artificially low prices, which puts South American farmers out of business, so that they have to come up here to be able to work to provide money to their families to live. If American taxpayers didn't give these ag companies WELFARE to basically build this equation, then many of these immigrant workers would be happier with their own farms and families at home, even if their prices are higher, and we'd have less of a bottom for the 1%ers here to race to with their "free trade" agreements.

[Throd]

9. As long as they're not taking I/T jobs it is all just fine.

DU elitism on display.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

76. Any IT jobs being stolen are being taken 'legally'.

The 1%ers make sure that they get to pay crappy wages to non-natives without worrying that their employees would be taken away by ICE.

[Lizzie Poppet]

16. Doug Stanhope's been doing a bit like that for years.

[treestar]

60. +1

funny but true

[jtuck004]

25. She sounds like a business owner using undocumented workers to steal wages from working people.

'Cause that is McDonalds argument too.

She is in great company. I would have to wash my hands after holding a condescending and ignorant sign like hers.

[Fred Sanders]

27. Immigrants are being Swift-boated. That can not stand.

[cascadiance]

65. STOP the corn subsidy WELFARE American taxpayers give Ag companies then...

... which is used to help put many of these farmers out of business in their own countries so that they come up here as "cheap labor". THAT is the "swift boating" that is going on!

And NAFTA didn't help this equation when it destroyed Mexico's ability to subsidize it's own farmers to grow corn there too.

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/26/257255787/wave-of-illegal-immigrants-gains-speed-after-nafta

[Hoyt]

30. Donald Trump's take on this appeals to many, not just GOP. Disgusting to see.

[Fred Sanders]

33. Disgusting is the operative word for some of the uniformed comments on a DU thread indeed!

Also "easy pickings" for a bit of logic and information-giving to the entirely ignorant.

Not so easy pickings as a lettuce field in Southern California in August for 5 bucks an hour allowing for 1 buck a head lettuce in your friendly grocery store, but still....

[jalan48]

31. If job stealing is the real issue then we should be fining the hell out of businesses that hire them

Also, if all jobs were unionized we'd have another group committed to dealing with the problem. The reality is that businesses love undocumented workers. They can work them as much as they want without providing overtime or benefits. What's the worker going to say or do?

[hedgehog]

41. This is the proper answer. Union craftsman make a decent wage because

of the efforts of their predecessors, not because of the kindness of employers. We are doing no one any favors by allowing employers to pay sub-standard wages under the table to anyone, immigrant or native born. What the OP is really saying is that there should be no minimum wage, let alone a living wage, as long as someone will do the same job for less.

By the way - how many people here would want to live in a house wired by the cheapest laborer the contractor could find?

[ryan_cats]

49. THAT, that is the answer. 'fining the hell out of businesses that hire them'

THAT, that is the answer. 'fining the hell out of businesses that hire them' Businesses love cheap workers.

[kpete]

54. jalan48

thanks for your reply:

The reality is that businesses love undocumented workers.


of course they do
- so WHY do we blame the undocumented?
Because it is SO EASY
especially, if they are only 17 years old.

[jalan48]

58. Yes, it's a race to the bottom.

Reagan's dirty little wars in Central America during the 80's are also to blame. Our military actions disrupted long standing subsistence farming, forcing people off their lands and into the cities. I don't blame the families for fleeing the hell hole we helped create. The problem is that we, as a people, are not trying to solve the problem. We simply blame the immigrant while the businesses and corporations increase their profits. Not to mention the fact that worker's unions are further eroded in the process.

[TexasBushwhacker]

77. That's why the GOP and their talk of wall building are

full of shit. As long as there is a demand, there will be a supply. The employers who hire undocumented workers are the demand, as well as the ones who abuse the "temporary" worker visa programs. Until the GOP comes up with a plan to come down HARD on these employers with substantial fines and jail time, they will continue to be full of shit.

But this isn't surprising. They try to overturn the ACA dozens of times, but don't present any viable plan for all Americans to get health insurance.

They freak out about the deficit, but fund wars and lower taxes at the same time.

They want to make abortion illegal, but don't want sex education in public schools or contraception for any woman that wants it to PREVENT those unplanned pregnancies in the first place.

They do everything in their power to shame the poor and make their lives harder, but refuse to raise the minimum wage.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

32. So very sorry - you are wrong here

the high level of immigration suppresses wages - it is a fact

That said, here in the usa, this could easily be remedied by shifting military funds to more productive employment options.

[Fred Sanders]

34. So very wrong...What you say is what is said by all the RW xenophobes since time began...none of the economic experts...I go with the economic experts.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

40. NO NO NO

http://socialistreview.org.uk/312/immigration-do-immigrants-lower-wages

I am saying under the existing conditions it is a fact - I can see changes that would change the conditions

[Fred Sanders]

42. Sorry, I still go with the American economic expert's consensus opinions on the American situation. Thst is just me.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

47. American economic expert's consensus

represent the Chicago school teachings - agree with them if you like

be well

[Fred Sanders]

52. Are you on the right site??? Anyway, my work here is done.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

56. Really?

I am not against immigration - as you seem to imply - just saying that the current system uses underemployment to suppress wages.

Simple fact. I think that the effect could be offset with policy changes.

[Go Vols]

37. Yep

Paying immigrants and domestic less than I was making 30+ years ago for the same job due to all the cheap labor.

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/newschannel5/news/newschannel-5-investigates/Workers-Blast-Conditions-At-Downtown-Construction-Projects-322107062.html

[pampango]

48. Immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are not mentioned at the link you provided. Abusive employers

were highlighted.

[Go Vols]

66. Pictures speak louder than words?

[pampango]

70. What picture? The 3 striking workers interviewed were Black, Hispanic and White.

Was there some other picture - perhaps of brown workers - that convinced you that the problem identified by the striking workers, i.e. low pay, no benefits, etc. is not the actual problem? That the real problem is immigrants (legal or illegal)?

[Go Vols]

71. What convinced me

is when the owner of the company being complained about in the video told me he could get two immigrants for the price of one real Ironworker,and the fact I was making more $ doing the same work in the same town 30+ years ago.

[pampango]

79. Well that's a "picture" only you would know. I thought I had mssed something. n/t

[dirtydickcheney]

63. The whole reason there was a middle class after the Black Plague....

was because there was a need for work by the Lord class - that did not change from before the Plague.

And the labor pool was now smaller. How would that be any different than having an influx of people with a finite amount of jobs. The result is a case where supply exceeds demand.

[pampango]

36. No Democrat is promoting illegal immigration. (Though you wouldn't know that listening to the GOP.)

Net illegal immigration has been at zero for several years partially due to Obama's crackdown on 'illegal' employers.

What Democrats are promoting is a comprehensive way of dealing with those who are already here and have been for years. They will not "self-deport" (sorry, Mitt) nor can Trump forcibly deport them (sorry Donald).

Given that they are here to stay, Democrats DO recognize that their 'illegal' status makes them much easier for unscrupulous employers to exploit. Leaving millions of workers without legal labor protection is not only a recipe for their own exploitation but an invitation to employers to exploit them rather than paying American workers.

Trump and republicans in general as 'smart' to demonize illegal immigrants and promote unworkable deportation schemes as a solution. The result is that they remain here as a large group of easily exploitable labor which republicans love.

[hedgehog]

43. Another good comment on how the Right exploits all immigration,

legal or illegal.

[Fred Sanders]

44. Amnesia. Folks willingly or not have amnesia over the comprehensive immigration plan passed in

the Seante in 2013 that the Tea Party has held hostage over Boehner's head to prevent real reform and solutions...amnesia is a grave threat to all topical discourse...such folks need to be reminded.

Exploitation, legal or illegal, is still exploitation...some folks are blind to the realities...immigrant xenophobia is a time tested method employed since the dark ages to get some folks without jobs or job skills or just plain personally not good workers to get all riled up and clutch their Victimhood pearls to blame someone other than the image in the mirror.

[Gothmog]

51. That is a great argument against Trump's stupid claims

[kpete]

59. Gothmog

Last edited Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)

THIS is actually my favorite Immigration meme:

[Gothmog]

78. That meme is so very very true

[ryan_cats]

83. Try this:

Pictures without arguments are useless. I could find plenty like it and it proves nothing.

[SummerSnow]

67. Her comment is not 100% true

2 friends of my brother were working at a factory for several years in Delaware. They were making a decent salary, had good benefits. In conversation with them they started noticing that some illegal immigrants were being hired to do the same work. They said some of the American workers were being fired for pettiness and replaced with the illegal immigrants . I asked one of the guys why was this going on. He said well they pay us $15.00 an hour for 8 hour shift and they pay the illegals $5.00 an hour and they work 12 hour shifts, who would you hire he asked me. He also said that the illegal immigrants started to out number the Americans Then one day one of the illegals had an argument with one of the Americans on the job. the American threaten to call immigration. The next day none of the illegals showed up at work. When the Americans came to work the supervisor said no work today cause were understaffed and they weren't being paid for this day either. Thats when the Americans reported this company to the labor board and the company got in trouble. I blame the company for this . The illegals weren't stealing the jobs, the company found a way to save money, unfortunately at the detriment to the regular workers . It's like reverse outsourcing.

[gd770226]

68. I don't like this sign

To me this sign is just mocking unskilled American workers and is not an argument to shut down imigration.

I believe that NO American should have to worry about losing their job to immigrant workers ( legal or illegal ). And this goes for all jobs whether they be low skilled jobs all the way up to skilled IT jobs.

[hatrack]

74. I'll believe either party is serious about "cracking down" . . .

. . . when I see CAFO owners, and slaughterhouse managers, and senior executives at Del Webb and Pulte Homes and Smithfield doing the perp walk for illegal hiring practices.

Until such time, it's all just smoke-blowing bullshit.

[Rex]

82. +1

[moondust]

75. Not the perfect argument.

This is probably the primary reason a lot of blue collar workers vote for Republicans--to get rid of the immigrants threatening their jobs. A sign like this could be used by the GOP to stir up anti-immigrant passion among their blue collar base.

[Waiting For Everyman]

80. The billionaires love this kind of thinking.

Blue-collar workers, not so much. Yet Democrats defend this.

Secondly, her attitude is pretty rude, and I for one am not at all won-over by that. I suppose this smug know-it-all never heard of the phrase "paid under the table".

Third, "once-in-a-lifetime amnesty" was done in 1986 under Reagan & Bush Sr. How many times are we going to do this? For those too young to remember that, a quick summary...

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/1986-amnesty/story?id=18971179.

And remember, at that time we still had strong unions. Now we don't.

Large-scale immigration is a fail. Illegal immigration shouldn't be condoned at all. Until the legal workers on the lower end of the scale are making a living and getting by, it's irresponsible to allow the labor market to be flooded with more. We OWE the people who are already here legally more than that FIRST.

If we can't afford a decent safety net and workplace protections, we can't afford illegal immigrants.

[Munificence]

84. Fuck Her!

I've worked the trades before all over the U.S before and 80% of them are undocumented workers.

Guys sling tile, paint, mud, etc for about $10.00-$16.00 an hour...CASH.

No money in taxes, no unemployment that has to be covered, nothing..cash in pocket.

FUCK her for even holding up the goddamn sign. She is a piece of shit.

[Nevernose]

85. I vote we let MORE illegal aliens in

And then, instead of spending a hundred billion on a pointless wall that will never work, we spend the hundred billion to pay the undocumented immigrants to rebuild every school, road, and bridge we can find.

Since 2/3s of illegals got here perfectly legally -- by overstaying their visas -- and the ones walking hundreds of miles through the desert in August will probably buy ladders at one of the many Mexican Wal-Marts, we might as well get something for our money besides an awesome place for kids to get high and spray paint.