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The judge did the right thing and the only thing he could do under the circumstances. Fines would have been paid by the religionist and nothing would have changed. Even now the RW will not accept gay marriage forever. It is their line in the sand and the feds have "crossed the Rubicon" now.
I can see all the ads now against Dems and THEIR activist judges. And I can see the GOP presidential candidates all raising hell about religious persecution. They can't have their theocracy and that is persecution.
Davis will be their martyr and poster lady. We will a lot of political fireworks over this event and the RW and religionist will make the most of it. And the MSM will proudly comply. The MSM wants the GOP to win and dominate because they are the GOP's lackey because of all the money as well.
The fight over religious freedom as the RW sees it has only just begun. It will be interesting to see how this situation plays out ahead. Now that Davis is in jail get ready for an interesting ride politically. Be hones, the RW religionuts will never give up and will only double down.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)What happens next will be very interesting.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)All we will hear is that all Dem candidates are anti God and ant religion. They will take your Bibles away and for gay sex on the next generation. They are looking to create frenzy of fear and hate to win the next election. And they believe that winning the next election by the GOP is a way to theocracy.
Billionaires and economic interests support them for their OWN reasons.
randys1
(16,286 posts)seats.
No way they can win the WH, they know that, but in order to cause death and destruction they must maintain control of the house and senate.
It is routine for the GOP to find an issue that riles up the immature and the dumb, guns/god/Gays...one wonders if these dipshit moron assholes will ever figure out how they are being used.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . that the gay couple who sought a marriage license from the clerk is part of some right-wing conspiracy? Because that is how this all began.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)so how is he "our" activist judge?
Besides, it's not like the GOP hasn't been banging the religious persecution drum already. Let us not forget the "attack" on Christmas, and prayer in school and bakery catering to weddings that refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings. And guess what? The majority of Americans think these people are wrong. Otherwise, there wouldn't be overwhelming public support for marriage equality.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)And I believe the OP was trying to say he'd now be proclaimed a Democratic activist judge, when in fact, he was appointed by GWB--making it unlikely that he'd be a Democratic activist judge.
I don't think jailing Davis is going to cause the uproar the OP thinks it will. Will the extremist Christians get their undies in a bunch over it? Of course they will, it's what they do (yet won't say one word about Davis having been divorced three times and had a set of twins by one husband while married to another). I just wanted to point out the fact that Bunning is a GWB appointee.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)against 2 other Democrats and everything.
0rganism
(23,927 posts)clearly the GOP and its associated media shills have zero compunction about distorting facts and lying whenever it suits their purposes.
*cough cough death panels cough cough*
however, that raises the possibility that they would simply claim Davis had been jailed even if she had not been, so it's a no-win situation really.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)You probably intended the second word in the text to be "judge."
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)They can stir up their own base no doubt, but that is already one heavily disturbed bunch!
This is far better a good thing for US because the issues WE can use out of this ridiculous woman's antics are 1) respect for the rule of law and 2) reapect for the secular state.
Folks who get that are still the vast majority of voters.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Even most Americans are secular, the problem is that too many people do not vote. We have seen what gerrymandering, voter suppression ala voter ID and other measures, outright vote rigging have done over the years. We know almost with certainty that Bush did NOT win either election. And we know how lopsided some districts are. Plus there is a huge amount of money coming in to support the RW cranks. We have an MSM that wants to stir up fear and hysteria. Under the circumstances anything can happen.
And all of the GOP contenders are RW cranks of veering degrees. Then there is the state level where big money is working on putting in ultra conservatives.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)held the post before her. She was elected by Democrats and narrowly defeated her Republican opponent in the general election.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)The only ones who will be energized or enraged are those already thinking that between Huckerbee and Cruz, they have the best two choices.
the vast amount of rational people will simply think that she is a bozo, misguided, and incapable of holding such an office.
longship
(40,416 posts)He is just as barking mad as Cruz and Hucklebuck. And he is currently second behind Trumpty Dumpty (who will inevitably fall off the wall). Meanwhile, smooth talking, but mad as a hatter, Ben Carson gets the nomination.
We do not want that guy anywhere near public office.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,392 posts)but I'm not sure she has a lot of ground to stand on, nor how much political hay some political opportunists would be able to make out of it (though some will, of course, try). She was given due process to argue her case in the courts and lost repeatedly and SCOTUS denied her last appeal. Most people probably understand this. Nothing short of a Christian theocratic state will satisfy some people but they are by no means in the majority.
hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)interesting. It was going to happen. Time to shed sunlight on the fact that our nation was not founded on Christian nor any other religious doctrine but on the principle of separation of church and state that maintains religious freedom and likewise freedom FROM religion.
elleng
(130,732 posts)The judge did the only thing he could do, affirming that this is a nation of LAWS.
hatrack
(59,574 posts)It's Cliven Bundy 2.0, with Bibles instead of cows, and with far fewer guns - and it's what the federal government should have done with Bundy in the first place.
Nay
(12,051 posts)standing around and trying to make these idiots be sensible.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)their own religion. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars..."
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)and riches when the gay hating cake shop owners shut down and got all that?
Plenty of sheep to fleece in the Christian Fundie world!
Hallelujah, Jesus does save!
Many more clutching of Godly Pearls by these self righteous self-serving cons utterly and purposely ignorant of history and facts.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Serious question from me. What was the alternative? Let her continue to break the law? Fine her?
I wish they'd been able to imprison her sooner. Willfully continuing to break the law needed some response. What do you think should've happened? And yes, I am serious in asking this. Thanks.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)She can't be fired because she is elected. Maybe there's some way she could have been impeached? But regardless, I hate for these wingnut assholes to have this kind of ammo at their disposal.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Get your medical needs taken care of while we still have an exchange folks.
gratuitous
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Let's all sing along with the chorus:
"The judge told you you're a knob
So stop playing games and do your job
She's in the jailhouse now."
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)
stopbush
(24,392 posts)I would be very troubled if some judge didn't jail Davis because they were afraid it would give one side or another an issue.
underpants
(182,604 posts)Anyone who would vote for them because of her was going to vote for them anyway.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)This lady is the government and she's using government power to impose her personal views on people.
She's also a Democrat.
They should be happy if she quits.
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)Bring it.
There is right and there is wrong and the law is the law.
She didn't follow the law and is in contempt of court and she did it to herself.
Let them be mad. I don't care.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)We're down to around 35-40% opposition to "gay marriage". If they want to join the battle on that side, we should be pleased.
This, of course, would require we actually join the other side of that battle instead of pull a dumbass DLC "compromise".
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Maybe with the nutcase evangelical imbeciles but there are plenty of republicans out there who also said she needed to do her job. All the Democrats need to do is say "would you want a Muslim judge making these kinds of decisions based on their religion?". That's all it will take.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)having to do their freeking jobs, yes, this fight is over.
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)She would have gained more by quietly resigning. Now it just looks as if she is trying to hang on to her cushy 80 grand a year job. And her self righteousness against the backdrop of three divorces will start to wear thin real soon.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)are justified does not make it so. Fuck that noise.
PatrickforO
(14,558 posts)Because he used gay marriage as a shiny object to distract us from his disastrous wars.
If the GOP thinks they can do this again, it will backfire, so let's hope they do make this imbecile into a martyr. This time around, it will lose them more votes than it gains.
0rganism
(23,927 posts)since when has truth mattered to these asshats?
they'll say whatever they want as long as it serves their purposes. people who fact check are NOT their target audience.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)This idiot's lawyers advised her to be jailed which is malpractice
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)Judge Bunning is no dummy. He is right about that. She can sit in jail while her deputies issue marriage licences with her name on them. All in all, a good result, methinks. Then she will have a decision to make. End the drama and comply with the law or end the drama by resigning.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)and The Constitution.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)don't know how that will play out with the GOP supporting her.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)It just can't be. It must be some king of Rethug trick.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Registered Dems outnumber Reps in this state 53-39 and yet it went 60-38 for Romney. Being a registered Dem here is much like it was in the Dixiecrat era in the deep South, a remnant of long-ago family allegiance unconnected to politics. As the numbers obviously show a very sizeable chunk of registered Dems here are reliable RW Rep voters. And the gawd crap will surely speak loudly to them.
mnhtnbb
(31,374 posts)
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)We'll have to see if those ads resonate though. I agree with the analysis by Amanda Marcotte over at Talking Points Memo.
If Davis thinks her martyr-for-bigotry act will make her a right-wing hero, however, she might want to think again. Instead of being a sign that conservatives will never give up on this issue, it’s starting to seem instead that Davis’s last stand is evidence that mainstream conservatives have decided to let this one go (for now, anyway), leaving hysterical opposition to same-sex marriage to a right-wing fringe.
The support for Davis amongst more mainstream conservatives has been, at best, muted, even from those who built their career on hating gay people. Maggie Gallagher, whose life’s work has been opposing same-sex marriage, limply wrote in the National Review, “There is no way to maintain the rule of law if public officials can ignore direct court orders.”
The most belligerently anti-gay writer at the Heritage Foundation, Ryan Anderson, wrote, “The citizens of Rowan County have a right to receive in a timely and efficient manner the various government provisions—including licenses—to which they are entitled.” If you peruse conservative media, it becomes clear that they’re more bent out of shape about Obama letting Alaska name its own mountain than they are about this woman’s supposed martyrdom.
Bryant
closeupready
(29,503 posts)or other kinds of demands to 'behave'. Any man who, like me, grew up gay knows that full well.
Thus, while marriage is about more than an erection, it certainly - in the US - is considered one of the most essential elements to determining 'good faith' as to the commitment of the parties who are entering the marital contract.
My point is, even the most fundamentalist Christians understand that if a gay person's penis stays limp in the presence of even the hottest female on earth, and gets erect around other men, then they understand that Kim Davis' ploy is 1) a cruel dereliction of her obligations to citizens in her county, and 2) in light of her MULTIPLE marriages, MULTIPLE divorces, impregnation by a man not her spouse, she can never be considered a respectable Christian in a position to dictate to anyone else what is 'right' or 'natural'.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)But it was hard to avoid considering she flaunted the law.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)In either camp.
Initech
(100,038 posts)Their definition of "religious freedom" is the freedom to discriminate without consequences. 
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . that anybody with any sympathy for this clerk would ever, in anyone's wildest dreams, vote Democratic anyway?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So plenty of Democrats put her where she now sits. Her primary victory was very narrow, but it involved over 1,800 people voting for her.