Proud of my President, ashamed of his treatment...

[Playinghardball]

[lunatica]

1. He and Michelle are an example of dignity and strength under immense pressure

I love them.

[GitRDun]

2. The modern day Jackie Robinson

History will be very kind to him.

[cascadiance]

3. I think the big problem is that this hate obscures legitimate criticism too...

... for some of us who believe that though he's had some good moments in his career as president such as standing up to the right and working out an agreement with Iran (who I recently went out of my way to help support and even be published doing so), and pushing through a health care bill, albeit not as strong as it perhaps should have been, and a number of other efforts to help many Americans, he's also had many areas that deserve criticism too, like the TPA/TPP, persecution of national security whistleblowers amidst continuing to facilitate illegal government spying on all of us, and a number of other areas.

I will stand with many here and fend off the right wing hate attacks as they don't help us at all, and hurt personally him and so many of the rest of us in the process too personally, and even hurt many of us who are trying to have our more legitimate criticism heard and not dismissed as hate (that should be accorded to others that put up INSANE banners likening him to Hitler and Mao in the same breath). The latter hate mongering "cloak" keeps us from having a decent dialogue that perhaps could have had him put in place better policies earlier if he'd have more visible opposition earlier not being equated with hate and more viewed as being constructive in certain cases.

[uponit7771]

7. People can tell the disingenuous hate from criticism, no one is claiming Obama can throw a stone as

... I've heard intimated about current candidates

[annabanana]

4. tremendous respect

Nice to be able to hold your head up in the world after W

(don't always agree, but am never embarrassed)

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. I'm sorry, but I can't tell much difference between his haters on the left, or the right. I think..

many hate him for the same reason, and I won't go any further than that.

[cascadiance]

8. So then, is his appointed DNC chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz a "hater" then?...

Certainly has supported him less on the Iran deal than people like myself have, who some here have called an "Obama hater".

I think you need to really look at substance that people talk on issues before classifying them as "haters". Obama isn't our best president and in my book has done some damaging things to us like the TPA and the trade bills it will enable, but he's also done some really good things too that he will be remembered positively for too, and I won't back away from either selective criticism or my praise for him that I've had just to fit in with someone's simplistic notion of having to be a supporter of his all of the time in order to not be labeled as a "hater".

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. Honestly, if I cared about your opinion, I would have responded to you upthread. I know who the...

haters are, and so do they.

[Andy823]

12. Fine, but

I think the difference is people can disagree, and critics him, but some here have never had a nice word to say about him. It's those posters on DU that have called him a "do nothing" president, just another republican, owned by the corporations, etc. The ones who made the same negative comments, day after day after day, those are the ones being talked about as the "Obama haters" here on DU.
Everyone knows who they are.

[cascadiance]

13. I have probably used some strong words against what he did when pushing the TPA and TPP...

... and basically proposing what Republicans and the 1% money people wanted more than traditional Democrats do. His party felt and still feels betrayed by that, and I can understand when looking at that issue on its own, how some people may have had some very strong words against him. I probably have said them too, but I give him credit on things like the Iran deal when he does the right thing.

I just don't think we should be worshipping him either, as I don't think he warrants the same praise that FDR gets (even if he did do the wrong thing at the time with the detention camps of Japanese heritage citizens here), for just about everything else FDR was doing was with a lot of courage fighting for the American people then and pushing many limits then. Obama has rarely pushed congress and others to do the right thing. He has the right wing and Republicans cornered on the Iran deal and he knows it, when not only does he have many intelligent Democrats and other Americans, Jewish or of other religions, on his side, but he has the Israeli intelligence agency and just about all other countries in the U.N. to back him up too. But he wasn't going to risk much to even try to negotiate in a public option in ACA, even though he's negotiated hard for the TPA and TPP when he knew that big money was backing him up then.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. +1. See #14.

[Andy823]

24. Ah yes

A perfect example if I do say so myself, and the "claim" to support Bernie is priceless!

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. When I hear the usual claptrap about "NSA", blah...blah...blah. I can't help but remember this:

"Ron Paul Supporters Try Brainwashing Democrats..."

From the "Daily Paul" - Ron Paul Cult Site...

Democratic Underground - Read the comments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023064050

Obama branded a war criminal in the Irish Parliament - read the comments on this one too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023067394

The Dems are starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
We should join forces.

Don't mention Ron Paul on DU you will get eviscerated (they are still brainwashed over that).
Just mention his policies - the ordinary Dems love lots of them.

Anti bankster
Anti war
Anti Corporatism

etc. etc.

http://www.dailypaul.com/290123/one-rule-for-the-rich-and-one-rule-for-the-rest-banksters-snowden-nsa

Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023152339

[AOR]

14. Yes of course because Black leftists...

all over the net and on the ground hate Obama's policies because they are "racists." Lmao Barack Obama is one of the best presidents that the ruling class and those of wealth have ever had. The populace is a lot more left of center than Obama's defenders think when it comes to working class economics. This IS NOT a center right nation in the trenches and DU was much different years ago before all the leftist voices were driven off. Barack Obama was the perfect tool to neutralize any real movement of the Democratic Party to the left which was a big possibility after eight years of Bush.

The game that the Republicans play - calling Obama a socialist - are laughable because Obama outflanks them to the right when it comes to catering to the money behind the throne and they know it. The ruling class Republicans can't agree with Obama so all they can do is move even further right and claim Obama is a "socialist" while laughing all the way to the bank. It has to make anybody awake laugh like hell. Smoke and mirrors and kabuki theater at it's finest.

[OilemFirchen]

17. It's a week early, but...

congratulations on your two-month anniversary here at DU!

It's always a mitzvah when a new member brings such well-considered, novel rhetoric to an otherwise drab message board.

Huzzah!

[AOR]

19. Well thank you...

although I do believe your post is emanating the smell of damning with faint praise. Alas...my advice to the faithful - living on platitudes of "hope and change" - is to hold on tight to that portfolio because capitalist crisis of over-production is rearing its ugly head again and any mystical yearnings of "hope and change" will have the half-life of a mayfly.

[OilemFirchen]

20. You're welcome.

Here are some pumpkins:

[AOR]

21. Careful...Obama's Homeland Security and the NSA...

might not take kindly to you posting such an image even in jest...

[OilemFirchen]

22. Just think...

one day, they may be Sanders' Homeland Security and the NSA.

I'm tickled by the notion!

[Marr]

31. Of course you can't, which is why your unfailing defenses of all things Obama ring so hollow.

No one is right all the time. If you can't acknowledge any criticism as valid, then it's hard to take your opinion seriously.

[treestar]

37. No different than never finding anything to be right either

[Marr]

38. Right, it would be exactly the same. The only difference is

you only recognize one of them as being too bias-driven to be taken seriously. The other you applaud.

[treestar]

41. Huh? I just think positive

I support a good politician and don't look for things to make into flaws.

Some people want to be victims of the politicians and will come out and say they are all bad. They just want to look at everything negatively.

[uponit7771]

6. hell, that was just on DU (less the threats), it was worse everywhere else!!!!!

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

[Peacetrain]

11. So powerful...

I look at how he has aged under the never ending abuse that has been heaped on him and his family.. but he keeps on trying to make things better..even for the haters.. and it has to gall them no end to know they are so small

[spanone]

15. K&R...

[loyalsister]

18. I would not have thought it possible

In any other context if nearly every co-worker does everything they can to keep someone from doing their job well or at all, who would not say screw it and walk away?

[Frustratedlady]

30. They did pretty much the same thing with Carter and Clinton.

Think back to the Billy jokes, making fun of how their daughters looked and, of course, the blue dress fiasco which I still believe was orchestrated by the Party. Granted, Bill fell for it, but I think there is a lot more to the story.

As for Obama, the shameful side of their horrendous treatment of him is based on race. They can't stand the thought that he was intelligent enough to reside in the White House...how dare he...and abhor any good ideas he brought forth. They call him arrogant? Whoa! Boehner and McConnell are arrogant if they think they are so much better than Obama. He mows them down with little or no effort and they don't even know what hit them.

Poor devils, or as they say in the South...bless their hearts.

[madokie]

23. It will take one hell

of a person to top this man. Through it all he has held his head up and smiled knowing that there are many of us out here who DO appreciate him.

I love my President and first family like I've never loved anyone before. He and They are the real deal.

I have to admit that I thought we were past the racism for the most part but now I know that was only an illusion.
We'll get there but a bunch of racist, bigoted asshole will have to die off first. We'll get there though, I have faith in the majority of the people.

[narnian60]

26. Well said.

[zipplewrath]

27. I dunno

I seem to remember him and his staff referring to his critics as "sanctimonious" and "drug addled". Not the classiest of moments.

[Faux pas]

28. ...

is how I feel about that.

[libodem]

29. Yep

He's our guy.

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[randome]

39. And he regularly cleans the GOP's clock, too!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[libodem]

40. No Doubt

[awoke_in_2003]

32. What is maddening

Is the democrats that vaccilated (at best) on the Iran deal. I disagree with the president from time to time, but the Iran thing is just another example of where this man has surprised the hell out of me.

[phleshdef]

33. I believe History will regard Barack Obama with a lot more kindness than his contemporaries.

[Jamaal510]

34. K&R

[lovemydog]

35. I'm proud of my President

and proud of my support for him and his progressive policies.

I've met some wonderful people here who support him. I'm proud of them too!

[libodem]

36. Kick

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