Kim Davis perp walk. In leg chains and handcuffed. And still clearly in need of a designer.

[mnhtnbb]

Looks like the handcuffs are shackled to a chain around her waist, too.





https://twitter.com/cbertramHL/status/639537776246046720/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[Vinca]

1. All she's missing is the cult prairie dress.

[riversedge]

5. will a jumper do?....

[Glassunion]

44. You asshole

Beat me to it

[Person 2713]

48. Good one

[louis-t]

101. Hey, you figgered out who's gunna play her in the movie!

Perfect!

[tabasco]

103. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA1!!

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

[hlthe2b]

2. I know it is snide, but at least she's not wearing that ridiculous "romper" she

seems to always be photographed in...

This woman is a fool.

[riversedge]

6. I found this on twitter...

[hlthe2b]

7. wow!

That's her fashion inspiration, apparently.... Oh, brother...

[Codeine]

19. "I'm not gonna issue the cockadoodie license!" nt

[MADem]

51. WHO wore it BEST???

[lunatica]

3. She forgot to walk tall and proud like a good Christian Soldier

Or maybe she decided to do the Martyr Shuffle.

[BlueCaliDem]

80. The martyr shuffle will bring in the most $$$ from bigots all around the country.

It touches the black heartstrings of the black hearted in this country and instantly opens wallets. That's what this is all about. Cashing in on bigotry.

[lunatica]

117. Now her religious leaders are putting on the pressure to stay in jail

It's delicious!

She'll lose her personal idea of martyrdom to her own church telling her to stay in jail to make the church make some stupid point. I bet her pastor and the leaders of the church have already visited her to make sure she stays in jail so they can benefit.

Mike Hukabee is already saying he's going to visit her next week and that he's holding a rally for 'her cause'

[BlueCaliDem]

118. She's so stupid that she doesn't realize that they're going to get rich off of her bigotry.

That's why they want her to stay in jail. They want the low-informed masses to open their wallets and contribute to "her cause through their organizations" and hope to make out like bandits.

It's all about the mighty greenbacks, and nothing else.

[tymorial]

4. This is a disgrace

Not because she is going to prison. It is a disgrace because the tax payers will have to fund her shelter and 3 square meals all because she wants to impose her religion on other people. Those imprisoned over contempt ought to be billed for services rendered upon release.

[gratuitous]

15. I'd rather pay for jail time, which she has earned

Than pay her for her elected position with the county, which she has not earned.

I'm not sure what the rules are for federal lock-up, but going to the state or county prison/jail in Oregon, you're charged $10 a day for your guest accommodations.

[tymorial]

16. Way to go Oregon!

Speaking of Oregon, I was on the phone with a client from Oregon last week. He told me I said it wrong. How do you pronounce your state? I said Or-eh-Gahn. He said its supposed to be Or-eh-gun

[gratuitous]

17. Well, not so way to go

A lot of people who get locked up are of limited means, and getting dinged $10 a day for six months or a year in jail puts them thousands of dollars behind the eight ball the second they get out. It can be very discouraging.

Anyway, the folks around here pronounce it "Orygun."

[pnwmom]

29. The accent is strongly on the first syllable.

OR-eh-gun


The middle syllable is a very quickly pronounced "short" e.

The last syllable isn't exactly "gun" -- it's a softer sound than that.

[grasswire]

63. well, you are wrong

I am third generation in Oregon. OR-y-gun. Sounds to me like you must say it like Reggie on KGW-TV says it. And he's from Hawaii.

[pnwmom]

65. Here's a youtube audio.

The middle syllable doesn't sound like a y (or a long e.)

As you can hear in the audio, when spoken very slowly the last syllable sounds like "gun." But when spoken at a natural speed, it sounds more like "gin" except with a hard g.

Does the second (normal speed) version sound correct to you? It does to me.

[grasswire]

67. what makes this authoritative?

some unidentified person saying it?

OR y gun

[uppityperson]

87. People argue about the oddest things here. Are you eastern or western OR?

Last edited Fri Sep 4, 2015, 04:43 PM - Edit history (2)

I never heard the "y" Oregon, More of a very shortened "ah" in Portland. I meant that is how I heard it pronounced living in Portland.

[pnwmom]

106. Good analogy.

Someone asked how to pronounce it. Hence, the argument.

[uppityperson]

110. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that's how I heard it when living in Portland.

I moved to the west coast from the Midwest, pronouncing it or-a-gone and simon learned to say Or-ah-gun with the "ah" being very short, more like Ora-gun.

[pnwmom]

111. I also had to unlearn the eastern US pronunciation and replace it with a strong 1st syllable accent.

And you're right, that middle syllable is very short -- almost swallowed up. Giving it a "y" or long "ee" sound gives it too much emphasis.

As you indicate, maybe people say it differently in different parts of the state. But I think everyone can agree that no one in Oregon pronounces the third syllable as if it rhymes with "non" -- as people do in the east and midwest U.S.

Here's the Webster's listing.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oregon

[pnwmom]

107. I'd be interested in any link you can find showing your preferred pronunciation.

Last edited Fri Sep 4, 2015, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Here's what Webster's has to say:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oregon

(No y sound in the middle syllable.)

[tblue37]

39. hat's how they did it in the debtors' prisons in the bad old days.

exploits the poor. It reminds me of the claim that the Chinese government charged the families of executed prisoners for the bullet used to kill them. (If that was true in the past, it apparently no longer is--and there is some question about whether it ever was true.)

[Glorfindel]

8. She'll be OK. The right-wing oligarchs will funnel money to her through "defense funds"

or something similar. She might even live long enough to snag another husband or two. The very picture of a Xian martyr. If you got it, flaunt it, sister!

[TeamPooka]

30. Fuck that. This woman is about to become RICHER than she ever imagined. They giver her millions now

and I hope the money ruins her life.

[Glorfindel]

46. I WAS being sarcastic...I'm sorry I forgot the smilie

obviously I don't wish the wretched creature one moment of happiness.

[hollysmom]

59. n ope, I see them abandoning her once she is not news,

and I expect for her to lose her cushy job by next election and have to get a real job like the rest of us. $ times the median income for the area, that is a lot of money she is going to lose. Wonder if she will have to find husband number 5 to support her.

[underpants]

9. If only she were to run into some people who are really into clothes and hair and such

If only

[mnhtnbb]

10. I was thinking if she stays long enough, maybe she'll come out a la Martha Stewart

with a lot less weight.

But I think you mean some pros, huh?

[FuzzyRabbit]

34. Fox News will dress her up and give her a makeover.

[MissB]

50. .

[hifiguy]

11. This (minor) devil

does not wear Prada. For $89K per year she should be able to do a little better.

[Glassunion]

43. For 89k, I'd move to Kentucky and not to my job too.

[smirkymonkey]

120. It still ticks me off that she rakes in that much a year as so-called public servant.

I would really like to know what her job description is. That kind of salary goes a long way in Kentucky.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

12. Fashion Police make a bust?

[PADemD]

25. Stripes don't match at seam!

[romanic]

13. Bye Felicia.

[uncle ray]

22. hey romantic, i need to borrow y'alls VCR for a bit.

[lpbk2713]

14. Isn't it customary to cuff behind the detainee?

Getting special treatment already.

[Corgigal]

20. That is what I saw too

She should have been cuffed in the back, but I guess they didn't believe she would attempt to grab a gun. Yep, special treatment but they got her to jail, so it's over.

[NutmegYankee]

60. She's chained to a belt.

That configuration is most common for transport from one facility to another. The arms behind back method is bad for the shoulders.

[frogmarch]

23. Maybe her hands were clasped in prayer

and she's not the one who covered them.

What really gets me is that the stripes on her skirt don't match at the seams.

[MADem]

53. Not if they are in leg irons, I don't think.

The hands are often restrained so there is not much in the way of movement, but they can use them in the event that they trip and fall to break their fall somewhat. http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2013/05/safe-prisoner-transport.aspx

Restraints are probably the first things that come to mind regarding safe transport of any subject, and many options exist. For handcuffs alone the list includes disposable, hinged, chained, and rigid models—from various companies. When it comes to transporting prisoners between facilities, items such as belly chains and leg irons enter the mix as well. The key is knowing when and how to use each, alone and in different combinations.

Chain cuffs are the easiest to put on, but provide the wearer the most ability to move. Hinged cuffs only allow a prisoner to move his or her hands up and down: some linear movement, but no lateral or angular movement. This makes them better suited for transportation over long distances. Rigid cuffs severely restrict wrist movement: no angular, no lateral, no linear movement. They are the most difficult to put on, but also the most difficult for the prisoner to defeat.

“Our best security product for transporting between correctional-type facilities or from a county to a larger facility or from a city jail to a county jail is the rigid cuffs,” says ASP trainer and retired Dallas police sergeant Daryell Harmon. “If I have to transport them over water, the rigid cuff allows me to do a handcuffing procedure in front of their body and I could actually get a lifejacket over them, but at the same time it decreases their mobility and their ability to attack an officer.”

[moondust]

18. So they didn't haul her away on a cross?

[yuiyoshida]

21. I bet she would have loved that!

[Saphire]

24. Guess we'll see which god she worships most,

her religious god or her $$ god. Sign or resign,

[Warpy]

26. Nobody out there designs for people shaped like her

or me, either. They scale up stuff they designed for a 5'8" size 0 model. Or people have to buy fabric and sew their own. If they have any talent, they match things like horizontal stripes at the seams.

It's either that or couture by Omar the Tentmaker, working in polyester.

I don't fault the woman for her looks, in other words. I do fault her for being a sanctimonious prig and a bully who is trying to run a government office like her own personal religious fiefdom. For that, she belongs in jail. Her office will run much better in her absence.

[mnhtnbb]

36. Not true. Didn't take 30 seconds to find a plus size catalog--with plus size models--

showing any number of options that would be much more attractive than what she's wearing.

http://www.makingitbig.com/


I used to be a big fan of Clinton and Stacy and their What Not to Wear Program.

Yes, she is a sanctimonious prig and bully. But she's not doing herself any favors by refusing
to dress attractively. But...that goes along with her whole psyche. This is not a happy woman
who feels good about herself.

[Warpy]

45. Those models are 14-16. Davis looks to be about a 3X

and professional wear is sadly lacking for people her size.

Again, unless you've actually been in that position, don't judge her looks that harshly.

Who she is is so much worse than what she looks like on her worst day.

[mnhtnbb]

69. She would have looked a whole lot better is something like either of these two dresses

available from that catalog.

She is being judged by her lack of style--surely you've seen the comparisons to Duggar hair/clothing--and yes, I agree,
that who she is so much worse than what she looks like. But part of my point is that close minded people are often
close minded about all kinds of things and her unwillingness to take a look in the mirror and realize she could be
much different on the outside is symptomatic of the fact she won't shine that light on her inside, either. The woman
doesn't want to present herself in an attractive way because, deep down, she doesn't believe she's attractive on the
inside. And she's right. She isn't.

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. Actually, Warpy......

or

a tunic


from a great Etsy shop.

[Warpy]

41. That's specialty outerwear on skinny mannequins

and would look like tents on anyone stout.

[Nevernose]

40. Agree 100%

I've been shopping with my wife often enough to know that what you say is 100% true.

A couple of other people found random internet pictures; they clearly haven't ever compared the clothes in the women's section of Macy's (or any other brick and mortar dept store) and the clothes at the exact same store that come in -- God forbid -- size 16+.

(It's kind of hard to find clothes that fit me, too, but I'm male: a size 40 inch waist is always the same on the Internet. Women have it worse, because all of their sizes seem to be made-up bullshit)

[Warpy]

42. Right, I've had fair luck online

because I'm still an off the rack size. Just.

I gave up on bricks and mortar stores a long time ago.

[JTFrog]

97. It's true.

Watch a season of project runway when they have "real women" challenges. They lose their shit. "I don't design clothes for real women"! One of the designers (with several extra pounds of his own) made his real woman model feel horrible. He even berated her for having...omg....breasts!

[Dawson Leery]

27. Resign!

[Rex]

28. She is doing all this for the Lawd.

[TeamPooka]

31. In her mind she's Martin Luther Queen. nt

[Rex]

33. I am surprised she did not request a cross to carry out with her.

Guess that wouldn't be possible with the cuffs.

[louis-t]

102. Star on yer forehead for this one.

Giggety.

[TeamPooka]

119. thank you

[FSogol]

93. and for what she thinks it says in the Bye-Ball.

[RKP5637]

32. She is so F'ed up in so many ways words pale to describe her. n/t

[RKP5637]

35. All this because two people love each other and want to commit to each other

in a legally recognized manner and this egotistical self-richeous idiot wants to stop it.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

37. That was about the extent of her perp walk - five feet from the door to a tinted van

They smuggled out through the basement ramp. I figure they wanted to limit video of her exit, so as not to play into her supporters' motives.

[Ruby the Liberal]

47. My OCD hurts

For $80k a year in one of the lowest cost of living states in the union - she couldn't find a skirt made by someone who knows how to seam stripes? Yowsa. It makes my teeth chatter.

Welcome to your international 15 minutes. May that picture last you a lifetime.

[shanti]

91. it's not just the mismatched stripes

when one is a larger woman, horizontal stripes, especially on the bottom half, are a big NO!

[Butterbean]

105. Oh geez, that makes me twitch. LOL. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

52. An amazing sexist OP And no liberal should be celebrating any human being going

to jail.

[Logical]

55. She deserves jail! But I agree with your sexist comment! Nt

[reddread]

86. she deserves less sympathy than most

given her job duties.

[stevenleser]

89. I'm not a fan of the mocking her clothing, but celebrating a bigot going to jail for being a bigot

seems like celebration worthy to me.

[bullwinkle428]

54. Did you say PERP walk, or DERP walk?

[B Calm]

56. Religiously Insane fruitcake goes away to a safe place. . .

[Logical]

57. What an asshole remark about her looks. Why make fun of that? nt

[NutmegYankee]

58. Probably because like many of us, the OP has complete disdain for her.

She and her fundamentalist nut job bigot friends are shit stains on the fabric of humanity.

[Ms. Toad]

61. And people like me,

Whose hair is almost exactly the same length, and who has been known to wear a jumper because it is one of the few things that are comfortable at my weight (which is higher than I wish it was) see the comments and know exactly what you think about me. Even though, of course, you'd say that it isn't about her looks - it is about your disdain for her, so anything that targets her is fair game.

[NutmegYankee]

62. Unless you make it a habit to discriminate against people...

Justifying it with the same excuse the terrorists on 9/11 used to fly planes into buildings, it's not about you at all.


I'm a large guy myself. Some styles are completely not flattering on large people. But I understood the OP to be a release of anger at a vile creature.

[Ms. Toad]

64. You can release anger at the vile creature

without making it about her appearance.

[NutmegYankee]

72. It's never cool to make fun of weight.

Weight is a health issue that is hard to control for many people. I've struggled with it my entire life.

But how I style my hair or what clothing I choose can be discussed. If you are going to a formal occasion, you wear formal attire. If at work, wear appropriate clothing for work. This woman wears a hair style common to the snake handler faiths of rural Appalachia ( I lived there once) and dresses in their style. No Offense - but those faiths are evil and hate LGBT people with their entire might.

[Ms. Toad]

76. I'm LGBT, and my hair is virtually identical to hers.

My hair has nothing to do with my religion.

And - as for attire - I guess it is fair game to mock Clinton for her choices to wear pantsuits and (previously) headbands, then. Oh, wait, that was sexist.

What is being mocked isn't her occasion-based choice. It is the fact that the styles she chooses to wear don't appeal to those doing the mocking - just like Clinton's didn't to those who mocked her. Not one of the comments I have seen suggested that she wasn't wearing garb appropriate for the occasion. They criticized a jumper (I have one of those I wear, as well - at my current weight it is one of the most comfortable things I have), and stripes that weren't matched at the seams.

[NutmegYankee]

79. Look, if you feel so strongly with love for Pentecostals, go hug one.

Just watch your back.


As for the hair style - it's called Pentecostal holiness hair

[Ms. Toad]

81. So where did I suggest I had love for Pentecostals?

Long straight hair is not just worn by Pentecostals, or by people who hate LGBT individuals. I'm not even the only below-the-waist length hair, non-Pentecostal lesbian I know. Some of us choose to wear our hair long because we like it that way.

Attack her for her actions, not appearance.

[Matariki]

92. It's just long hair

you are being insensitive and trying to justify it.

[NutmegYankee]

94. Yes, I'm insensitive about people who hate LGBTs and Liberals.

I don't have to justify it. Fuck 'em - End of subject.

[Matariki]

95. No. You need to separate your criticism of her character

from bullshit criticism about her looks. It's sexist, it's ageist, it's classiest, and just fucking obnoxious. There's no excuse.

End of subject yourself.

[NutmegYankee]

96. No. That is how they dress.

By they, I mean the Pentecostal fundamentalists in Southern Appalachia. Knowing how they dress can ensure that you don't discuss liberal ideas or avoid letting on that you are gay. It can save your life.

I will continue to criticize them. It's extremely personal.

[Logical]

112. So make fun of looks on people we don't like? Got it. You are classy too. nt

[NutmegYankee]

113. Derp.

[Matariki]

90. You are absolutely correct and thanks for the courage of speaking out

mocking people for their looks or their weight just because you don't like them, or because they have despicable politics, IS WRONG and disgusting and beneath us. It needs to be called out whenever it happens here.

So, thank you Ms. Toad, you are awesome and beautiful where it counts.

[Roland99]

99. I agree....we're above that. Should be, anyway

[Aerows]

66. The most disturbing part of this entire incident

is that there a people that agree with her. People that agree with a county clerk who makes 3X the average salary in her county.

She's thrice divorced, including having twins out of an extramarital affair.

This person sits in justice of what marital fidelity is, what the sanctity of marriage is, and wraps it all up in a Bible.

[reddread]

68. matter of opinion

I think the chains are a good look.

[mnhtnbb]

70. Wow. I had no idea that on a liberal board someone would be criticized

for daring to suggest someone could benefit from a personal shopper or design advice.

I was a fan of Clinton and Stacy's show, "What Not to Wear" on TLC for years.
They could take anyone, any size, and transform her look and how she felt about
herself looking in the mirror.

For those of you who might be interested, there are lots of blogs by 'plus size' women, designed
to provide information on how to achieve a fashionable look for that size.

Start here with a list http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2230047/Fat-women-need-realize-bodies-worth-dressing-Meet-plus-size-bloggers-change-shape-fashion.html


and then take a look at Marie Claire's plus-size columnist blog http://www.nicolettemason.com/

Among her favorite on-line stores is this one with plus sizes http://www.modcloth.com/?SSAID=687298&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=sas&utm_campaign=687298&utm_content=417942&gate=false

Scrolling through the modcloth catalog, she'd have looked much better in this (sorry, image won't copy you'll have to click)

http://www.modcloth.com/shop/dresses/ready-wheeling-and-able-dress-in-irises

than what she chose to wear, and it's in the same color palette. And if you check the reviews, someone bought it in a 3X and was very happy with it. If she wanted her arms covered, she could have worn a light shrug or sweater over it, like this
http://www.modcloth.com/shop/cardigans/charter-school-cardigan-in-sky

I rest my case.

[Ms. Toad]

73. So I guess it is fair game to mock Clinton for her pantsuits and headbands? n/t

[mnhtnbb]

74. I have never seen a photo of HRC dressed as shabbily or in unattractive or ill fitting

clothes like what Kim Davis was wearing on her appearance in court yesterday.

It's the right wing that criticizes HRC and her pantsuits. Why? Because they
don't like women wearing pants.

[Ms. Toad]

77. And the headbands?

I suppose they don't like women wearing headbands either.

It isn't that they don't like women wearing pants, it is that they don't like women - so attacking about them - including their clothing choices is perceived as fair game. It's called misogyny. And it is no more appropriate directed at Kim Davis than it was at Clinton. (As for ill-fitting - nothing in the photo I have seen is ill-fitted. You just don't agree with her choice of clothing.)

[mnhtnbb]

78. Suggesting Kim Davis could use some fashion advice is not misogyny.

What a bunch of crap.

Check this out. http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/what-not-to-wear/

[Ms. Toad]

82. Merely because your sense of fashion does't match yours

doesn't make it appropriate for you to use her choice of clothing to ridicule her. Any more than it was appropriate when people were ridiculing Clinton for wearing headbands or pantsuits. The vast majority of appearance attacks are on women, not men. That makes it misogynistic.

[JTFrog]

98. And many can't believe that liberals would be that shallow and insensitive.

Her actions make her ugly, not her hair, clothes, weight or age.

FFS.

[cwydro]

109. Thanks for speaking exactly what I thought.

Sickening to see this tripe on DU.

Reminds me of middle school.

How many of us have "designers" at our beck and call?

Show of hands?

[Tipperary]

71. Wow, I guess I must be in need of a designer too. Usually I am wearing running shorts and a tank top

at this time of year. I suppose I would not meet the approval of all the fashion conscious on this thread. Thankfully I am in good shape so I would not face the fat-shaming as well. I do need a haircut however, so that would be open for discussion from the perfect humans commenting here. I intend to trash this thread now, but I had to comment that I was actually shocked at some of the comments from the supposedly progressive folks here. How amazingly shallow some of you are. Shame on all of those who think they are better than other people based on looks. Further shame on those who would comment on women and their looks, but never think twice about a man dressed poorly. HER SEAMS ARE NOT STRAIGHT??? SERIOUSLY??? Wow people, just wow.

[mnhtnbb]

75. Hey. If you showed up in running shorts and a tank top at court

the judge just might ask you to go home and come back when you
were dressed respectfully for a court appearance.

I have made a suggestion that her husband could use some sartorial advice, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7139413

[Ms. Toad]

83. She wore a clean, neat dress.

That is respectful for a court appearance. Beyond that, it is misogyny - even if you choose to criticize her husband - because the vast majority of time when an attack on appearance is made, it is made against a woman.

[mnhtnbb]

84. Believe what you want.

That's what Kim is doing. She's believing that she's going to go to hell if
she follows the law. I'm sure it doesn't matter at all to her that
many Christian denominations support marriage equality. I'm sure
it doesn't matter to her that many Christian churches don't
issue dress codes for women that make sure they are dowdy and frumpy
and have little choice in what to wear, how to style their hair, or
choose to wear jewelry and make-up.

She makes her choices. You make your choices.

I still stand by my statement: it is not misogyny to suggest a woman could choose
more attractive clothing. It is misogyny to insist women have little choice in
what they wear because some mythical sky daddy wouldn't approve. That is simply
patriarchal religion demeaning women because if some man didn't tell them what to wear
they'd be going to hell, and that, my friend, is real misogyny.

[Iggo]

85. Hey, we've all been there. Am I right?!?!?!

[backscatter712]

88. Let me make an observation: Facial expressions.

Every single time, without exception, that I've seek Kim Davis's mug on TV or the Internet, she was sporting that self-righteous scowl on her face.

Maybe she should try smiling.

[mnhtnbb]

100. You won't find her smiling because she is not a happy person.

What's she doing? Denying people the right to a marriage license...something she's been
able to obtain four times...which suggests she's either had lousy luck at love, or made
bad decisions, or hasn't met the right person, or maybe, just maybe, she's not a happy
person and doesn't attract happy people to her.

Personally, I think the woman feels as though she's a loser. She has joined
a church which demeans women--tells them how to dress, what to wear,
how to style their hair--and she thinks she is of little value. Many times
people with low opinions of themselves will find ways to devalue someone else--
because that makes them feel more worthy--so it fits that she'd--as a devalued
woman in a patriarchal fundy church--find a way to allow herself to feel
superior by denying gays--especially males--a right to do something she herself
has done four times. Just look! Jesus loves her and not gays! She must be worth
something after all.

On top of that, she's never been anywhere. Never traveled. Never lived anywhere else.
She is totally provincial. Her religion wants her that way: members are advised to live
apart from the world. She grew up with authority figures: worked for her mother for
20 some years in the same job. Claims she found Jesus as a result of a mother in law
who wanted her to join the church. This is not a woman who is used to making decisions
for herself--at least ones that turn out well (4 marriages), so maybe she figures she
should submit to the authority of "God".

Well, ok. She's entitled to make that choice. But she is NOT entitled to abuse or
not the follow the oath of office she took when she was sworn in as County Clerk.
So, for now, she is where she belongs. In jail. The US is a nation of laws, not
individual people deciding to follow whatever law they want whenever they want
because of whatever peculiar religious notion they may hold.

[RKP5637]

104. Very well said! I've had similar thoughts, but had not yet articulated them on DU. You

did an excellent job!!! There is a lot going on with her, far more that oh, it's against my religion.

[backscatter712]

115. I don't doubt it. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

121. You have made some good points.

She would be an interesting psychological study, that's for sure.

[J_J_]

108. She is a moronic hypocrite & media distraction but leg chains? seriously??

n/t

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114. Standard procedure for transporting a prisoner.

[B Calm]

116. Average family income for her county is $35,000, she alone makes $80,000. I wonder

how much of that $80,000 she gives to her church. .