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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums60,000 Antelope Died in Four Days and No One Knows Why
It started in late May. When geoecologist Steffen Zuther and his colleagues arrived in central Kazakhstan to monitor the calving of one herd of saigas, a critically endangered, steppe-dwelling antelope, veterinarians in the area had already reported dead animals on the ground.
"But since there happened to be die-offs of limited extent during the last years, at first we were not really alarmed," Zuther, the international coordinator of the Altyn Dala Conservation Initiative, told Live Science.
But within four days, the entire herd 60,000 saiga had died. As veterinarians and conservationists tried to stem the die-off, they also got word of similar population crashes in other herds across Kazakhstan. By early June, the mass dying was over.
In May 2015, nearly half of all the saigas, a critically endangered antelope that roams the steppe of Kazakhstan, died off. Albert Salemgareyev
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/60-000-antelope-died-four-days-no-one-knows-why-n421056?cid=sm_fb
arcane1
(38,613 posts)riversedge
(70,197 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Paranoia sets in, Test run?????
Warpy
(111,249 posts)thanks to a weird El Nino winter. Even an infectious agent generally leaves a few of the hardier animals alive.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I won't do it again.
I couldn't find the parking brake on my rental Range Rover, and...well,
they just kept getting in the way.
(I realize the above response is flippant in the face of a tragedy of this magnitude,
but left it up anyway)
I hope there is a simple explanation for this Mass Die-Offs , and we are not looking at the New Normal of Global Climate Change.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And quite frankly I think we'll hear more such cases...we've really phucked this planet over.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)"Where seldom is heard/A discouraging word/And the deer and the other deer play."
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)There have never been antelope in North America. We do have the pronghorn which is often colloquially known as a pronghorn antelope, but is in fact not an antelope.
(Trivia note)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)It was written by a Kansas native in the 1870's and has been long been considered the "unofficial anthem of the American West"...
But really, what this proves is that some DUers will take intellectual dishonesty to absurd lengths!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Shakespeare wrote Hamlet without ever visiting Denmark.
The song does not describe an existing home on the range, wherever that range might be, but a desired, or aspirational, home.
It is "Oh give me a home..." Not "I have a home.."
In fact that sort of proves then point. Clearly the composer WANTED a home where the deer and the antelope play.
Most likely, he did not have one, for the very reason you cite.
However, perhaps he wanted a menagerie of some sort that would have required the importation of antelope. But, give the the expense, then maybe he wanted to get the fuck out of Kansas and go to Kazakhstan (either taking some buffalo with him, or simply accepting water buffalo under a broader notion of "buffalo" .
Well, the plan is screwed now because the deer don't have any antelope to play with. But ungulates can be fickle in their play as, for example, the reindeer who would not let poor Rudolph join in any reindeer games.
So maybe Rudolph decided "I'll show them" and since they wouldn't play with Rudolph, he went on a murderous ungulate rampage and made it so they couldn't play with the antelope.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)The absurdity astounds.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"We do have the pronghorn which is often colloquially known as a pronghorn antelope, but is in fact not an antelope."
Isn't an animal, in fact, what we call it?
That's like saying "Guinea pigs aren't really pigs."
Well of course they are pigs if that's what we call them. They are guinea pigs.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)where the deer and the other deer lay?
Are there buffalo in the other continents where they can watch deer and antelope play?
We've all been taken for fools all this time?
Must have been a republican's all I kin say...oh, maybe not, it doesn't say anything about shooting them..
4lbs
(6,855 posts)disease spread quickly through the population in that area.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)My bad.
Rex
(65,616 posts)That's their job.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)sarisataka
(18,612 posts)I would wonder if there was an old Soviet chemical weapons facility in the area, but if the die off is in more than one area that doesn't seem a likely explanation.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)are occasionally vulnerable to when usually they aren't.
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)are occasionally vulnerable to when usually they aren't.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe this is just a taste of what is to come from climate change? Seems like something common shared among the species did them in somehow. Strange.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Complex systems yield mysterious phenomenon...in this case, perhaps a change in weather changed foraging behaviour, while encouraging bacterial growth, and stressing the herd...viola, mass die offf, a cascade of events may have lead to this. Look for other die offs in other parts of the ecological web...as the ecology simplifies through attrition, look for the collapse at the top of the pyramid. Whales, bears, human beings...in humans collapse will start in the social, creating tsunami waves of refugees, pushing outward into yet another cascade...wait, isn't this already happening? Hmmm, maybe it's all connected....
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Tissue samples revealed that toxins, produced by Pasteurella and possibly Clostridia bacteria, caused extensive bleeding in most of the animals' organs. But Pasteurella is found normally in the bodies of ruminants like the saigas, and it usually doesn't cause harm unless the animals have weakened immune systems.
So far, the only possible environmental cause was that there was a cold, hard winter followed by a wet spring, with lots of lush vegetation and standing water on the ground that could enable bacteria to spread more easily, Zuther said. That by itself doesn't seem so unusual, though, he said.v
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)What happened?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I'll be curious if it was intentional to free up grazing lands or water resources for ranching or other exploitive land use....
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And the existence of saiga gives the wolves (Kz has the largest wolf population in the world) something other than cows to eat.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)There was a documentary about it either on Nature or Youtube.
Long-term, yes, they have declined precipitously, but I'm not sure in the short-term that this is out of the ordinary in terms of population patterns.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Yep.
Milliesmom
(493 posts)They think they know what caused the deaths, very sad since they are endangered.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)...over the next few years/decades this type of event will become common. Everything on this planet is connected to everything else...and the planet is changing in ways we cannot fathom nor imagine. We think a few degrees change in climate temp is manageable but it is not. It has taken thousands if not millions of years for the planet to stabilize to the point where life could flourish as we know it today...but in just the last 150-200yrs we have pumped millions of tons of elements back into the atmosphere that the planet spent thousands / millions of years getting rid of thru various processes of plant life or other life forms now extinct to get rid of. We are by far our own worst enemy...
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)It's just when I read a post with claims that seem quite substantial, I like to read more about that information and make my own conclusions. Is there something wrong with that?
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)There is no defense for these toxic life-taking gmos and the poisons they require for survival.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)I wanted to put the ancient aliens guy, but someone beat me to it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)mainer
(12,022 posts)3,000 sheep dead overnight in Utah. Nerve gas accident.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Zombe saigas we should be ok