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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:26 AM Sep 2015

Retiring BBC presenter: As with all conservative media, facts mean little in Russian media

The BBC Russian Service’s Seva Novgorodsev: ‘Putin panders to the lowest common denominator.

Novgorodsev says, “the tonality of Russian media has gone down tremendously. It is all patriotic in a hysterical way and the facts are the last thing they think of.”

He adds: “Putin panders to the lowest common denominator. The propaganda says that, of course, Britain is in cahoots with America and all they think about is to downgrade Russia, destroy it, change the government etc. It reached a fever pitch, whereby logic and common sense [were] no longer present and that is a dangerous situation.”

Novgorodsev’s shows brought in Russian figures unpopular with the regime, such as Alexander Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya, both since murdered. However, his airtime has been much reduced in recent years and, after the closure of the Russian radio service in 2011, restricted to just a downloadable podcast.

He says media organisations such as the BBC have “a lot of work to do” to combat the gulf between Russian and British perceptions of each other. “It needs to be explained on a human level because you cannot fight facts with facts because they distort them the way they like,” he says.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/sep/04/bbc-russian-seva-novgorodsev-world-service-putin

The fact-free, fear of 'others' mentality is similar to that of the republican party. Patriotism, emotion and conspiracies predominate.
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ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
1. Where in the article was this: As with all conservative media, facts mean little in Russian media?
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:32 AM
Sep 2015

Where in the article was this: As with all conservative media, facts mean little in Russian media?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
2. “the tonality of Russian media has gone down tremendously. It is all patriotic in a hysterical way
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:52 AM
Sep 2015

and the facts are the last thing they think of.”

It is my own humble opinion that conservative mind and media depends more on patriotism, emotion and conspiracy thinking than does the liberal mind and media which leans more towards facts and science.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
3. So you use your own headline to highlight a story to make it say what you want it to say?
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

So you use your own headline to highlight a story to make it say what you want it to say? I would say that is great journalism but I do believe it is the opposite of great journalism.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
5. I am no journalist but many believe that avoiding facts and pushing patriotism, conspiracy theories
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:05 AM
Sep 2015

and fear are hallmarks of the conservative media. If the shoe fits the Russian media, so be it.

If you disagree with my impression of conservative media, please elaborate. Or you can stick to questioning my journalistic style.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
6. You are fully entitled to you opinion.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:10 AM
Sep 2015

You are fully entitled to you opinion. You are also entitled to post it where anyone lets you.

Do you not see a problem with your headline:

Retiring BBC presenter: As with all conservative media, facts mean little in Russian media

When he never said such a thing?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,309 posts)
8. Yes, that's how the General Discussion forum works
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:06 AM
Sep 2015

You've had 10 years to work that out. Posting on DU is not 'journalism'. It's discussion, and that includes opinions.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
9. Discussion, I didn't know that
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:10 AM
Sep 2015

Discussion, I didn't know that.

I guess posting misleading headlines (oh I meant opinions masquerading as headlines, is that better?) at the start of a post about an article is discussion. I do think we use different dictionaries, mine is not in crayon.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,309 posts)
10. 'Crayon'? You've stooped to accusations of childishness already?
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:20 AM
Sep 2015

You've just showed a discussion with you isn't worth it.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
11. Actually my accusations were implying a childish intellect.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:26 AM
Sep 2015

Actually my accusations were implying a childish intellect, reasoning and rationalization process but who's counting since we've been friends for ten years, can I borrow some money?


 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
4. Let us not be too self-congratulatory.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

Leftist media is all too often replete with conspiracism, woo, magical thinking, and shrill declamatory statements in place of facts.

These are human traits and foibles to which both sides fall victim rather than distinct ideological tendencies.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. Left media has some of that but I would argue much less than the right wing media.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:15 AM
Sep 2015

Birtherism, climate change denial, nativism/anti-immigrant sentiment, UN as New World Order/One World Government, I could go on, are all alive and well and constantly pushed and believed on the right.

Perhaps the left media has the same tendencies with conspiracism, magical thinking and shrill declamatory statements. If so maybe they are not as obvious to me because we also usually have facts, science and history on our side so that our arguments do not seem as detached from reality as the fact-free versions employed by the right.

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