Kim Davis scoffs at her own Bible

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Romans 13:1-2:
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

[underpants]

1. That could mean anything

[hobbit709]

2. Davis, like most of her ilk, use the Cherry Picker's Edition.

[Rex]

3. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Davis failed.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. She's never read the bible

[randys1]

6. Most of them have not, of course. Or they read specific parts and are taught

specifically where to go to justify hatred of gays and why it is ok for whites to have privilege, etc.

There is no god, now if you need to have a god, fine, just NEVER tell me about it and NEVER use your god to diminish my existence in any way.

[jberryhill]

11. "where to go to justify hatred of gays and why it is ok for whites to have privilege"

Animus toward gay people is hardly unique to white churches, so I guess all of the black churches which agree with her are only getting half the message.

[randys1]

13. Bigotry toward Gay folks is not unique to these assholes, you are right. Not sure why it was

important for you to point that out, though.

I find the average AfAm far far far more reasonable when it comes to anything like this, even those who are homophobes, and while on this one topic they are just as ignorant and wrong as the white counterpart, they are far more open minded or accepting in general and much less hypocritical

I have experienced white pentecostal churches, and they are very condemning and damning and so on

I know Black pentecostal pastors, who are not at all.

Anecdotal, i guess but my impression is they are very different

[LiberalArkie]

28. You are on the money with the white Pentecostal ones.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. The Religious History of JAG

I grew up in a Protestant home where my parents DID require us to read the bible.

Transfer to a prep (R.C.) Parochial School my Sophomore year and I - the Jesus Freak - was flunking God. Know why? Entirely different Bible.

Fast Forward to 2004 - and my brother - now a liberal Born Again (I know- crazy - who'da thunk it? ) has a bible in his house called 'The Book'. Red highlights about WHAT you are SUPPOSED to understand from the King James. Seriously.

So she might very well have been reading the red fonts in 'The Book'!

Not to be confused with the Book of Mormon - or the Musical.

[randys1]

15. i saw this here somewhere (oh, on this thread LOL)

[JustAnotherGen]

31. I think that's brilliant!

[jwirr]

16. Someone tells them what is in the Bible. And they never

question it. One of my favorite characters in the Bible is Doubting Thomas because he had the sense to ask questions.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. He's my patron saint

[jwirr]

33. A very good disciple. Faithful to the end - the violent end.

[jberryhill]

5. Yeah, and she believes she is a "governing authority"

I don't know what people think they are attempting to prove with this crap along the lines of "the Bible proves she's wrong" arguments.

She's wrong. She's just plain wrong. And if you need a Bible to know what's right and wrong, then I'm not going to be impressed with your argument either.

This one is particularly stupid, since she would agree. She is a governing authority and people were supposed to obey her.

[Rex]

7. I think the point of the thread is to not show she is wrong as much as she is a huge

hypocrite like all the other 'pick and choose" folks that cherry pick the Bible.

[jberryhill]

8. If you think that's how these people read that passage, sure

But, trust me, these people have their own interpretational schema for this shit. They've been at it a long time.

This one is simply facile, so I'll put on my stupid fundie hat for a moment.... "The problem, according to that passage, is that the people seeking licenses refused to submit to her own governmental authority. We live in a democracy, and Kim Davis is the only one here who was elected by the people - none of the judges were."

Of course she's a hypocrite - all of her ilk are. She's not in jail for being a hypocrite. That's legal. What she's in jail for is contempt of court. Why she is in contempt of court doesn't matter. But too many people are falling for the "religious freedom" framing of this case by the right in the first place. It's not about religious freedom. She can be as hypocritical as she wants, and believe any damned silliness she wants. What she can't do is administer a government office on a discriminatory basis - no matter what she believes.

[Rex]

10. Oh I agree totally, this is all about contempt of court and disobeying the rule of law.

And yeah, we should not be shocked in the least bit that she is a 'pick and choose' fundie...they ALL are.

[jwirr]

17. She would have problems with that interpretation if

she bothered to check it out. The verse refers to the Romans. Not local government.

[jberryhill]

19. The Christians weren't known for their submission to Roman authority

[jwirr]

21. You are correct. They forgot this rule real fast. But it

was written when they were under Roman rule.

[jberryhill]

22. By a Roman lawyer

[jwirr]

24. LOL.

[jberryhill]

26. Part of me is with 0rganism on this...

What, exactly, was his original job?

As if infiltration of potentially subversive groups was invented in the Nixon White House.

[On the Road]

9. Paul was Anti-Revolution

and by his own account persecuted messianic Jews who were suspected of any involvement in challenging Roman rule. This reflects that attitude.

However, I do not believe anyone has seriously construed this passage to include mandates that violate the ten commandments or some other principle of faith. Otherwise, Christians would never have refused to sacrifice to the emperor.

[MiniMe]

12. Like most fundies, they pick and choose what phrases to cling to

[0rganism]

18. i regard this verse (and other NT stuff like it) as an indication P/Saul was a Roman spy

what started as a quasi-revolutionary cult unsympathetic to Roman occupation turned out to be quite symbiotic for Rome and Christianity. nicely played, Mr. Saul of Tharsus, nicely played, except we lost the empire about 1200 years back but your pet cult is still hanging around, dominating societies around the world.

something tells me he'd approve.

[jberryhill]

20. His cover was pretty good, then

[0rganism]

23. naturally, he was a professional

i suspect, if he was beheaded, he was dead before it happened.

c'mon, don't the (reputed) last 5 years of his life under Roman protection/custody just scream "came in from the cold and retired"?

[jberryhill]

25. How much you want for the movie rights?

[0rganism]

27. you can have 'em, but watch out

even odds The Simpsons already did it

[Igel]

29. And it continues

... Which is context, unless you cherry pick.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

The problem with this is that if you take it at face value, then Bush II was a minister for good, and not bad. So was Stalin and Pol Pot and Hitler. It's open ended; this isn't a Godwin's rule bit of flippancy, but to say that there must be some constraints otherwise for Xians to be good Xians they should have led people to the gas chambers or GULags.

Conscience. It's the constraint that we're left with if we dispense with the idea of "righteousness" and "justice" that Paul and others at the time would have understood to be the appropriate constraint shown by "good works."

[libodem]

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