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HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:05 PM Sep 2015

Here comes President Trump! (according to a poll, anyway)

There is an article in The Hill, by Eliot Smilowitz. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-trump-beats-hillary-head-to-head/ar-AAdXQUs?ocid=iehp

According to the article, there is a poll by Survey USA that has Trump beating Clinton 45 to 40. I’m not sure whether or not to believe this, but it’s certainly conceivable. Many of us here on DU underestimate the depth and breadth of “backlash” sentiment and thinking. It’s relatively easy for xenophobic candidates like Trump to whip up anger at immigrants, foreigners, minorities, etc. I don’t see things turning out this way in the general election, but I may be too generous in my assessment of my fellow citizens.

The poll also has Trump beating any of other the other Democrats by approximately the same margins, which makes me wonder about the results.

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Here comes President Trump! (according to a poll, anyway) (Original Post) HassleCat Sep 2015 OP
LOL. This "poll" is hilarious. PSPS Sep 2015 #1
I hope those numbers are a joke adigal Sep 2015 #11
It's very early. But people are underestimating the anger towards the status quo davidn3600 Sep 2015 #2
Trump is the republican Bill Clinton hollowdweller Sep 2015 #3
Not even remotely oberliner Sep 2015 #5
Are you shitting me? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #8
He does not want the job and will withdraw before the general oberliner Sep 2015 #4
"Not sure whether or not to believe it..." VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #6
Survey USA is notoriously inaccurate Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2015 #7
and it is really very early on in the GOP race, with everyone having their horse tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #9
Accoding to 538, they had a slight republican bias in 2012. See below Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #10

PSPS

(13,591 posts)
1. LOL. This "poll" is hilarious.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:21 PM
Sep 2015

If you read the methodology, it is terribly flawed. But these other gems also reveal this poll as meaningless:

Hispanic voters:
31% - Trump
50% - Clinton

Black voters:
25% - Trump
59% - Clinton

I presume M$NBC is trying to wring out more ad money from the campaigns. Interesting note: All the GOP candidates have spent may millions of dollars on advertising. Well, almost all. Trump has spent zero on advertising. He doesn't have to. M$NBC and all the rest give it to him for free.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
11. I hope those numbers are a joke
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:59 PM
Sep 2015

I can't imagine ANY Hispanics voting for Trump, nor any black voters. WTF??

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
2. It's very early. But people are underestimating the anger towards the status quo
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:30 PM
Sep 2015

Polls this far out are not that accurate of what's really going to happen. Too many voters are simply not paying much attention to the race and are going off name recognition and headlines.

But I think it's important to realize that there is an anti-establishment and anti-status quo mentality out there across the political boundaries. People are angry in general with how politicians in Washington are running the government. The Republican party is dealing with that sentiment head on right now. But it's being underestimated by many on the Democrat side.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
3. Trump is the republican Bill Clinton
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:41 PM
Sep 2015

He's moving his party to the left on some of the inequality issues and on SS and Medicaid.

Not only is he saying the rich should be taxed more but that immigrants are stealing jobs.

I wasn't really paying much attention to him but now that I'm reading some of his positions I think he can give the dems a real run for their money.

Think about this.

Anything Obama proposes, even GOP stuff they hate him for Polls show that the majority of voters actually agree with the dems on a LOT of issues, but because of Fox and Talk Radio anything a dem does is wrong.

So what is needed is a republican who has some dem populist ideas. Trump fits the bill.

If he can be the populist republican and make Hillary the candidate of emails, of illegals, of abortion, gun control, then the GOP will have pulled populism away from the democrats and left the dems with the somewhat divisive social issues to stand on. That's a winning strategy.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Not even remotely
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:48 PM
Sep 2015

Bill Clinton was in politics his entire life. You could not find a bigger policy wonk than him.

Trump doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah and doesn't care to.

He is a lot more like George W Bush than Bill Clinton.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. He does not want the job and will withdraw before the general
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:46 PM
Sep 2015

This is a publicity stunt, and it's working.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
7. Survey USA is notoriously inaccurate
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:56 PM
Sep 2015

The only bigger joke is Zogby.

That said, it shouldn't even be possible for a lousy firm to get these numbers. But the media's continued love affair with Trump and 24/7 free ad time, coupled with their failure to call him out any blatant lies (while hailing him as a straight shooter) has had an effect in boosting him.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
9. and it is really very early on in the GOP race, with everyone having their horse
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

Once that is chiseled down, it could very well be worse

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