PLACE YOUR BETS! How long is Kim Davis going to stay out of jail?

[backscatter712]

Personally I give her 24 hours.

Here's what's going to happen. She's going to come to work at her county clerk's office tomorrow. Right on schedule, a gay or lesbian couple is going to walk in, and ask for a marriage certificate.

As she promised, she's going to come out of her office with her sledgehammer saying "I'M NOT GIVING YOU A COCKADOODIE MARRIAGE LICENSE, YOU SINNING DIRTY BIRDS!"



Judge Bunning isn't going to have a sense of humor about having his court orders openly defied. He won't just summon her for a hearing later this week. No, he's going to stop what he's doing, order Federal Marshals to go and get her, and by closing time tomorrow, she's going to be back in Club Fed.

Place your bets, folks!

[randys1]

1. She very much wants the attention her hate gives her but maybe without the jail?

Tough call for her.

She deeply deeply hates Gay people, I mean HATES them, and wants to show the world, but to do that she has to go to jail.

What is a stupid bigot to do?

[backscatter712]

3. Here's the thing. Judge Bunning is not going to want to hold her in contempt a third time.

He warned her multiple times, gave her a taste of consequences over the extended Labor Day weekend, and let her out under strict orders not to interfere with the issuance of marriage certificates to all legally eligible couples.

If she defies his orders, he won't have a sense of humor about it. He's going to make his punishment harsh enough to really make her regret pissing him off. He won't just put her in jail for a week. He'll give her at least a month, maybe a full 60 days before he has another hearing to see if she's willing to be cooperative.

[RKP5637]

7. I do think the majority of Americans are fed up with her whining. He is a hard nose conservative

judge from what I've read and adheres to the letter of the law.

I think he's given her every reasonable opportunity to get her act together. I do think too that he will throw the book at her.

She is trying to rip a hole in the division of church/state, nearly everyone knows/sees what her shenanigans are about and her herd of lawyers.

I sincerely hope he does throw the book at her. If this is allowed to continue, it is eroding authority in the country. We are ruled by laws and fairness, not some religious sect. If she can't hack the job, then she needs to resign, but noway does she want to give up the cushy income from that job.

She is like a spoiled brat. And she is using her power and office to thrust her brand of religion onto others while doing so in a public office. In fact, she is un-American.

I think what will happen is the US Marshals will be ordered to escort her straight from the clerk's office to jail if she gives the judge and SCOTUS the finger again.

[riderinthestorm]

2. Her attorney already says she's not going to issue any licenses

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kim-davis-release-federal-custody

A CNN journalist at the jail reported that according to her attorneys, Davis "has not changed her mind" and intends to bring the licensing process to a halt all over again when she's back on the job.

“The problem here is that the attorney says she has not changed her mind, that Kim Davis is adamant that as long as her name appears on those marriage licenses, she objects and she will attempt to stop those licenses from being distributed,” CNN correspondent Martin Savidge said during a live broadcast.

So I'll bet she's back in jail by tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully this time she gets jail and fines.

Bunning needs to make this hurt for her.

A lot.

[TlalocW]

5. Haven't they redone the licenses

So her name isn't on them anymore?

TlalocW

[backscatter712]

9. No. Legally, they can't.

By state law, her name MUST be on the licenses.

Maybe early next year when the Kentucky legislature is in session, they might change the relevant laws, but until then, her name must be on the certificates, even if she's cooling her heels in jail when they're issued.

[riderinthestorm]

12. The Rowan County attorney disagrees. Says they're valid

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/04/4019876/live-updates-county-clerk-continues.html

Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins previously dismissed that argument, saying deputy clerks can issue valid marriage licenses without their boss's signature

[beac]

13. The licenses issued Friday had been altered to remove her name.

And, so far, they are deemed to be valid:

Marriage licenses issued Friday in Rowan County were altered to remove Kim Davis' name


Marriage licenses obtained by three couples in Rowan County were altered so that they did not include the name of county Clerk Kim Davis, who had been jailed for refusing to issue licenses because of her opposition to same-sex marriage.

However, Gov. Steve Beshear and others said the licenses for the three couples were valid even without Davis' name on them.

Under state law, deputy clerks can issue licenses and perform other duties just as elected clerk can, said Allison Connelly, director of the University of Kentucky's Legal Clinic.


http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/08/4025586_marriage-licenses-issued-friday.html?rh=1

[starroute]

19. But she's already claimed those licenses are invalid

I'm starting to get confused about what she actually said when -- and whether she had to agree to accept those licenses as valid before she was let out of jail. But going by the statements of her lawyer, I don't think anything has actually changed.

And that leaves two questions. One is what happens to new license applications going forward. The other is whether she can interfere in the process at a later point, such as when the marriages have taken place and it's time for the person who officiated to file the certification.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0905/Jailed-Ky.-clerk-Kim-Davis-says-marriage-licenses-without-her-signature-aren-t-valid.-True

Celebrations ensued Friday in Morehead, Ky., as gay couples who had waited 10 weeks for their marriage licenses finally received them. But sitting in jail half an hour away, Kim Davis, the Rowan County, Ky., clerk who had stood in their way, claimed their licenses are void without her signature. . . .

The applicants paid a $35.50 fee, and got a receipt But the licenses did not include the clerk’s signature. For their part, Davis' s attorneys said they’re not "worth the paper they are written on.”

[beac]

21. Here's what DU's reseident legal expert had to say about that:

jberryhill (39,419 posts)

62. They aren't invalid

And there is no affirmative process on her part to "invalidate" them.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7150358

So, she may THINK they aren't valid but, it seems, her opinion carries no legal weight.

[riderinthestorm]

10. I don't think her name on them matters anyway.

If you listen to her brief remarks at her support rally today, she's completely unhinged about this. I believe she feels "vindicated" by the Lord who let her out today.

I think she's gotten a taste of the Fundie acclaim that goes with martyrdom and won't stand by tomorrow and let her clerks just issue the licenses. Can you imagine her sitting meekly at her desk watching that go down? I can't.

She got a photo op with Mike Huckabee!!!11!!1!!

No way. In her mind Gawd has shown his power through her.

My bet still stands at tomorrow afternoon. I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong though and that she surrenders this fight now.

[beac]

11. That's what I read earlier today.

Funny how her "deeply held" convictions suddenly found a loophole.

"Well, lookie there, my name seems to be magically missing from the forms. Guess God can't get mad at me now!"

[C_U_L8R]

4. The judge gave her plenty of rope

And it will be no surprise when she uses it
except now the judge can throw the book at her
without any hesitation.

[RKP5637]

8. Definitely! I think everyone has run out of patience with her. The US is a country of laws with

separation of church/state. Some religious sect does not change the law and set the agenda, and I think the majority of Americans agree.

[louis-t]

6. I think she will just come out of her office and

give any applicants the stink eye. She's already agreed to let her deputies issue them. I think her emphasis now will be on "Here, take the license, for all the good it will do you. They're worthless without MY name on them."

[Aerows]

14. Is this a poll

or a wishlist?

[nichomachus]

15. Now, the question is

Whether she will file and record the licenses once they are returned by the officiant. If she doesn't do that, the marriage doesn't officially take place. In fact, that's a more crucial step than issuing the license. If the completed license isn't in the files, the couple can't prove they are married.

If she chooses to shred them, it's going to be a colossal mess.

[hobbit709]

16. If she is dumb enough to do that, then she can be charged with an actual crime.

Destruction of official records is pretty much cause for indictment and charges.
If convicted, she will be forced to resign her position.

And she is that stupid.

[LostOne4Ever]

17. Im going to say by friday

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I say that not because I don't think she won't attempt to push her RW bullshit from the start, but that I think the legal system is slow.

First thing tomorrow she will refuse to issue marriage licenses. Then someone will turn her into the court and Thursday the court will summon her to appear on Friday and then she will go back to jail.[/font]

[mnhtnbb]

18. She will be escorted by US Marshals to jail within 2 hours of when she refuses to issue a license

to a couple of the same sex.

I think the judge let her out--hoping she'd had enough--because, frankly, he'd had enough
of the asshole protesters in front of his house over the weekend.

But he will be pissed she doesn't get it. And he will leave her there until she finally decides
to agree to let her deputies issue the licenses or resign. And she's not going to resign,
because Farmer Joe won't let her...and according to her religion he's head of the house
and she has to do what he says.

[Saphire]

22. I understood she wasn't issuing any marriage

license, straight or same sex. That's how she tried to get out of it in the first place..she didn't discriminate against anybody, just everybody.

If she sticks to that, she could go back sooner than she thought. Any couple that's denied can do her in.

[Heeeeers Johnny]

20. Judges aren't fond of being openly and publicly defied.

Especially in such a high profile case as this one.

I'll bet my bottom dollar Davis will continue to abuse her authority with her pig headed, unlawful and hateful
agenda.

There has to be a method and purpose to their madness; as in now that the base is really fired up, and Davis
has vowed to persist with her BS, her followers will be gathering and waiting for the federal marshals to
escort her from the building and make and even bigger public spectacle.