No-I'm Not Joking

[kpete]

[PatrickforO]

1. Well, that seems to be what Huckleberry wants.

We all just do whatever, based on our beliefs but NOT the law.

That's gonna work REAL WELL, eh, Mike?

[n2doc]

2. No, he wants us all to do whatever based on HIS beliefs

Not ours. I am sure he would be vehemently opposed to Rastafarians smoking pot without fear of arrest, for example.

[erronis]

10. Yup - in the xian caliphate. Can't wait for the war of the Moors vs. Crusaders

But can we keep it as just a SF story, or at worst a video game?

[PoliticAverse]

11. The law might in fact support the employee in the OP's case...

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7145464

[Dont call me Shirley]

21. Slippery Slope.

[PoliticAverse]

22. There's a big difference between an elected government official denying someone their civil rights

(Kim Davis case) and an employee of a private company asserting their rights under the
Civil Rights Act. The following article discusses the issue further:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/04/when-does-your-religion-legally-excuse-you-from-doing-part-of-your-job/

[Dont call me Shirley]

23. I think no pharmacist has the right to deny me my medication because of their religious beliefs.

[PoliticAverse]

24. Pharmacists who objected lost in Federal Court...

See:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/us/washington-court-rules-against-pharmacies.html?_r=0
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/24/usa-contraception-ruling-idUSL1N10328I20150724

[Dont call me Shirley]

28. So it's ok for one profession but not another to use religious belief to not perform their job

duties? A waiter/ess is hired to serve cocktails with the meal. Any company should never hire anyone if they cant or won't perform their job description.

[randys1]

26. Maybe when the pharmacists son gets diabetes we can use our religion to prevent him from

getting insulin.

Maybe that would send a fucking message

[Augiedog]

3. So obviously...

the answer is to have stores, government agencies and military groups defined by religious affiliation. So a catholic fire dept can respond only to catholic fires. Protestant cops can only shoot Protestant criminals. An f-16 fighter wing can only strafe those of its own religious persuasion. Everybody will, of course, have to wear badges or symbols to make sure no accidental transgressions occur thus angering the relavent god or gods. I'm not to sure where atheists, the LGBT community or Californians are going to shop but maybe the government can provide assistance with that by establishing religious free shopping zones.....oh wait, we already have, that zone is called America.

[niyad]

5. we have something called the christian yellow pages here. the first time I saw that little book,

I looked at the clerk and said, "oh, thank you for providing me with that handy little list of all the shops and businesses to avoid." she smiled, until I added, "I mean, all that shops and businesses in that book. " and left.

[yardwork]

7. As a gay person, I do tend to avoid all self-identified Christian businesses.

The reason is self-protection. If they have the fish symbol or bible verses on their website or signs, I figure that they won't want my business. Rather than risk embarrassment I usually just avoid them. I'd rather not have to do that. I respect their rights to advertise their beliefs.

[niyad]

9. as a pagan in fundieville, I do avoid those.

[erronis]

13. I think they'll find their business limited to whatever sect/cult they advertise.

And more power to those businesses that show they want Everybody's business.

Just like GMO-free labeling - we can have Bias-free - De Colores.

[randys1]

27. I wish your post could go on Rachel MAddow show...or something, that in America

you do have to PHYSICALLY protect yourself from CHRISTIANS.


If you have a twitter account please tweet a short version of that and tweet it to Rachel

https://twitter.com/maddow

[yardwork]

36. I don't tweet, but thank you for the kind response. I've never felt physically threatened

by the stores in question. I just don't want to have to deal with bigotry, so I avoid them.

Many gay people are physically threatened and attacked, of course. I've never had that experience. Most people assume that I'm straight based on my appearance.

[bvar22]

32. I have patronized a Christian Store....

St Vincent DePaul's Thrift Store...on West 7th Street in St Paul.

They had the BEST stuff.
(I've been told that it is a Catholic tradition to donate ALL the clothes of a family member who dies.)

I have never been asked about my Religious Preferences,
or if I was an atheist, Democrat, Republican, Muslim, or American.
No one has ever engaged me in any religious discussion while in this store,
or asked me to pray with them.

I've visited St Vincent DePaul's Thrift Store in several cities,
and they have all been staffed with the kindest people I've ever met in a business.

[yardwork]

35. I am not talking about religious preferences, I'm talking about discrimination against gay people.

I'm not talking about religious discussion (since I don't consider homophobia to be legitimate religious discussion, although the bigots have a right to believe it is their religion if they so choose). I'm not talking about being prayed with or over.

I'm talking about having somebody say to me that they don't serve gay people. I don't like taking that risk so I avoid stores that seem like they might treat me that way. The little fish symbol is often a tip-off. I've never noticed it in a Catholic charity.

[jwirr]

14. One of the first thing the rw did when it stepped out of

the swamp was set up businessmen's associations that encouraged church members to support other like minded businesses. I haven't heard a lot about that in resent years in our area.

At first when those churches moved into our area a lot of people from the south moved up here to help them get established.

They quickly found that it was too cold up here and that we were quite satisfied with our own way of life. Most of them moved back down south. The church buildings are still here but they are not nearly as popular as the "missionaries" thought they would be.

[niyad]

15. unfortunately, my community is loaded with these fundie churches (new life, anyone?) I can't even

get the local alternative paper to do an article on how much tax-exempt property these organizations occupy, and how much of our taxpayer resources they use.

[jwirr]

18. And I suspect that your community is not the only one

and we wonder why our local communities are failing.

I wish we could have a new reawakening and get rid of the johnny come lately rw churches.

[murielm99]

20. I went to an established church some years ago where

a group of them came in and swarmed us. They all joined the church, and tried to take over. They were going to challenge the entire structure and belief system of the church. The pastor at the time was just conservative enough to go along with it.

The people welcomed them, loved them, but stood firm for their beliefs. Eventually, the swarm went home.

We left that church. Our children were young, and we did not want harm done to them. I am not sorry we left.

My husband will not even go back to visit.

[hunter]

37. Great book to have...

... a list of businesses to avoid.

[retrowire]

6. well put! n/t

[NorthCarolina]

4. ...

[Gothmog]

8. Great Meme

[PoliticAverse]

12. For those ignorant of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act perhaps.

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7145464

[staggerleem]

17. The story at your link is about a suit that is GOING to court ...

.. and has yet to be DECIDED. If the decision favors the trucking company (which it should - if you're a trucker, you haul & deliver boxes ... what is in them is not your concern), then your point is ... pointless!

[PoliticAverse]

19. Here's an article discussing the issue and mentioning more cases that have already been settled...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/04/when-does-your-religion-legally-excuse-you-from-doing-part-of-your-job/

Note that you must differentiate religious objections by employees of private companies (who are entitled by
Civil Rights law to "reasonable accommodation&quot from the Kim Davis case which is the case of an elected official
denying someone's civil rights.

[libodem]

16. I'm gunna write a novel

The Offence Driven World . Sick of all trigger warnings, I'm so fragile, I'll have a post tramatic episode, if the world hasn't been sanitized down to my special needs specifications. Sick of it.

Toughen up.

[awoke_in_2003]

25. This is where we are heading

if we don't get religion under control

[DebbieCDC]

29. I prefer to identify with these gentlemen and their beliefs when I do my shopping

Sentry: Do you want the padre?
Harry Morant: No, thank you. I'm a pagan.
Sentry: And you?
Peter Handcock: What's a pagan?
Harry Morant: Well... it's somebody who doesn't believe there's a divine being dispensing justice to mankind.
Peter Handcock: I'm a pagan, too.

"Breaker Morant" (1980)

[Flying Squirrel]

30. At least he would have the option to buy them from someone.

Someone trying to, say, fill a prescription from the only pharmacy within 100 miles would not be just slightly inconvenienced.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. and yet some people here will fall all the fuck over their bad selves to defend that shit.

Because special important beliefs are special. And important.

[sadoldgirl]

31. While I may be wrong,

I think that the SCOTUS is responsible for this whole
dilemma. The Hobby Lobby decision was just
plain wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. careful, the "DERPLY HERLD RELERGERS BERLERFS" crowd will sic the EEOC on you.

Fucking silly season.

If your religion precludes you from performing the functions of your job- issuing marriage licenses, filling prescriptions, selling condoms, serving drinks on an airplane, driving a lesbian couple from the airport, etc.

FIND A DIFFERENT FUCKING JOB.