Iran discovers new supply of uranium

[dhol82]

Just heard about this from one of winger buddies. Comments?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/12/us-iran-nuclear-uranium-idUSKCN0RC0A020150912


I still think we did the right thing in signing the treaty. Just not sure where this new thing will go.

[spanone]

1. there are elements on both sides trying to derail the deal. it's gonna happen.

tune out the crap.

[villager]

2. "The U.S. State Department said any new reserves of uranium discovered in Iran will be under

...the same monitoring as existing mines under the nuclear agreement."

[karynnj]

6. Not too mention this is something Iran announced

and it appears that they have in the past claimed more raw resources than the West thought they had.

"It added: "Despite the Iranian leadership's assertions to the contrary, Iran's estimated uranium endowments are nowhere near sufficient to supply its planned nuclear program."

So, 2 things,
1) This could be just for inter consumption and not true.

2) If true, they are disclosing it rather than hiding it. Consider that Moniz and Kerry have both spoken of the difficulty of having an entire new, secret uranium chain. Note that would have to start at a secret uranium mine. If they wanted to cheat and they just found new reserves, wouldn't they stay quiet -- to make the chance of secretly using it better?

[villager]

7. Right - what this brings up is that it's a good thing that the current agreement is now in place....

Otherwise, they would have found "more uranium" in secret, with no restrictions on how to use it...

[dhol82]

3. Thank you

Just needed a bit of reinforcement.

[hunter]

4. Good. Maybe other nations will be spared the mess of mining and refining it.

[karynnj]

5. It actually makes the deal MORE important

The deal sets caps on the amount of ENRICHED uranium they are allowed to have. This maximum doesn't change because they are seen to have a greater supply than some thought they had. Not to mention, it is the Iranians that have made this disclosure.

Now, consider what the conversation would be if this was found out by the west and there were no deal. Imagine what Netanyahu, McCain et would say - I bet it be that this allows Iran to go full speed ahead and by some time in the near future, there would be over 100 Iranian nuclear bombs.

Why the right thinks this is a flaw in the negotiation is beyond me.

[ryan_cats]

8. This is awesome!

This is awesome!

The deal sets caps on the amount of ENRICHED uranium they are allowed to have. This maximum doesn't change because they are seen to have a greater supply than some thought they had. Not to mention, it is the Iranians that have made this disclosure.

What exactly did Iran give up to get this wonderful deal?

Now, consider what the conversation would be if this was found out by the west and there were no deal. Imagine what Netanyahu, McCain et would say - I bet it be that this allows Iran to go full speed ahead and by some time in the near future, there would be over 100 Iranian nuclear bombs.

Well, pretty much the same thing would happen before the deal except Iran now has access to $100 Billion dollars in liquid assets. What did Iran give up again? Now that they've been given the Sudetenland, in six months they'll take the rest of Czechoslovakia and people will write that without the deal, they would have Lichtenstein, too.

[karynnj]

9. Iran changed from being 2 months from having a bomb

to being at least a year away from having a bomb for at least 10 years. They also agreed to the toughest inspection regime to assure that that exists anywhere.

What is your alternative? Netanyahu's idea that "military action" (which is not war) could destroy their facilities. Well, guess what? Israeli intelligence says that just puts them back by 3 to 5 years. Not to mention the little "it really does have the likelihood of leading to war.

[ryan_cats]

11. When were they two months from a bomb?

When were they two months from a bomb?

Toughest inspection regime ever?

My alternative is to keep the existing sanctions, not give them a $100 Billion dollars so we can feel we accomplished something.

...to being at least a year away from having a bomb for at least 10 years. They also agreed to the toughest inspection regime to assure that that exists anywhere.

Are the people who say that the same people patting themselves on their backs about how good this deal is for us?

Do you honestly think that they were 2 months from a bomb and said, no way, we'll stop everything? How is is possible they were only 2 months from a bomb when Iran said their intentions were always peaceful, were they lying then, now or have never told the truth?

Being only 2 months from a bomb meant they must have been missing the fissile material as the rest is trivial so were they building a Uranium bomb or a Plutonium one? If it's Plutonium, then they already have a reactor running able to create PU from Uranium.

They probably already have the device, that's why they went to the table.

[karynnj]

12. US intelligence along with that of many other countries had that assesment

One person who said that was Dr Moniz.

It seems like your information is entirely from Netanyahu (although he spoke of the 2 month estimate when he spoke at the UN), AIPAC, or Fox News.

[ryan_cats]

15. My information comes from

My information comes from bring an expert in human nature and knowing science as I have no idea what Netanyahu said as I've never heard him or read any of his speeches but I can tell when a used car dealer is lying to me.

Do we honestly expect a nation who is willing to use a nuke, first strike, to care what the world thinks in the aftermath? If Iran was populated with Christians, you would have no problem believing they were crazy enough to try and hurry up events in the Bible but if they were trying to hurry along events in the Koran, oh no, they have too much to lose and it's only the extremists posturing for the home audience chanting death to America and Israel.

Don't bother writing that the USA did exactly that as I do believe there were other things going on then.

Churchill laments from the grave:
"All is over. Silent, mournful, abandoned, broken, Czechoslovakia recedes into the darkness. We have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been derailed, and these terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies, 'Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting'."

[Fred Sanders]

17. You do realize there are three grades of enriched uranium? And enrichment is complex and not that easy to hide?

Uranium does not come out of the ground "enriched".

The Iran peace plan is supported by all the nationa of the world and all their experts for a reason!

Now to make Israel not be one of two rogue nuclear nations of the world......

[ryan_cats]

18. Do tell

Do tell?

That is exactly the reason I wonder how they are only 2 months from a bomb as the enrichment process for a power plant stops well before the levels needed to make a bomb. Why go the extra step to enrich beyond what is needed for a reactor when it's only for peaceful purposes? Were they lying about that?

Which might also be why I asked about Plutonium, you know, the man made element.

Now to make Israel not be one of two rogue nuclear nations of the world......

I agree, especially with Israel frothing at the mouth about death to America.

[Fred Sanders]

20. Nations do not "froth at the mouth", but the attempt at personalization and demonization are noted.

Clearly someone needs some learning about the peace deal and the whole situation in general!

Live and learn, I always say...but some choose not to....no problem with me.

[ryan_cats]

25. Deflection is thy game

Deflection is thy game, ignoring the Mullahs frothing at the mouth is noted.

I apparently know more about this terrible deal than you do.

Live and learn, I always say...

Your self identified virtue is not a virtue but you have learned proper ellipses usage unlike in your previous post.

[whatchamacallit]

10. They must be bombed into oblivion NOW!!1!

[PufPuf23]

13. I can see no reason to expect Iran to act in good faith on the treaty

but rather to play games and warp the intent.

Why?

There is no reason for us as citizens or residents to expect our own country, the USA, to act in good faith based on our own track record.

We have messed with internal affairs of Iran for over 60 years.

Iran in entering the Treaty is complying with a bully nation that expects Iran to enter and comply with a Treaty that has double standards regards to the USA or our allies.

The disclosure of a new uranium source may be real or a game but in any case Iran has disclosed.

The Treaty is part of a long term strategy to control the economy and natural resources, particularly oil, of Iran.

This has been the goal of the USA and western European nations since the fall of the Ottoman Empire and discovery of large oil reserves in Iran.

If Iran was to use a nuclear weapon, the country would be turned into a radioactive parking lot within days.

Iran lives with a continual major threat from the USA and has zero ability to attack or respond to an attack by the USA conventionally.

If a nuclear weapon is used in the next 20 years, I predict that the attack will come from Pakistan or Israel yet we do not hold these ally nations or ourselves to the same standards as we do Iran.

I expect at some point there will be a global nuclear war regardless, this war may be decades or centuries in the future but the event is almost a certainty.

Ideally, the Treaty will lead to the USA and other Western nations having peaceful and beneficial relations with Iran in the immediate and foreseeable future.

The Treaty is better than nothing.

[stevenleser]

19. There is one very good reason for Iran to keep its word on the treaty.

An October 2003 fatwa (religious ruling/edict) by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei declaring that development of or use of nuclear weapons is against Islam.

They tend to take such things very seriously over there.

Apparently some research into development was done before that, but after that, not so much.

[PufPuf23]

21. Give the October 2003 fatwa declaring the devlopment or use of nuclear

weapons is against Islam, why do we need a Treaty and inspections?

What are the good reasons for the USA to keep our word on the Treaty?

Our leadership did not listen to our own inspectors regards Iraq and instead made up stuff and lied to the world to justify aggressive war.

Maybe things will work out for good now with Iran; I hope so.

[stevenleser]

22. Well, for one thing, Supreme Leaders do not live forever. Maybe the next one issues a

fatwa reversing that decision.

Just like we had benevolent leaders of post-Soviet Russia and now we have an aggressive and militaristic one. You have to look at the capabilities and not just what the current folks are saying.

[PufPuf23]

23. That makes sense but also works both ways.

Maybe some trade and cultural exchange will come out of the mess.

I don't think Iran is some monolithic evil as made out to be.

Look at the relationship between the USA and Vietnam (or Germany even) now after the great hostilities not so long ago.

I have been expecting hotter war with elements in South America ever since the initiation of Plan Colombia for instance.

I am no fan of Putin nor imperial Russia but the USA and NATO have been nibbling at now boarder but once states of the former USSR.

Rhetorically, is the current USA not an aggressive and militaristic nation?

[stevenleser]

24. Well, you are discoursing with someone who criticized Obama, Hillary and Edwards

In 2007 for being too negative on Iran:

http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=opedne_steven_l_070206_democratic_president.htm

The Iranians thought enough of that article to reprint it on their English language newspaper. It appeared in several other middle eastern newspapers too, Turkey and Syria I believe.

There certainly is plenty of reason for mistrust on both sides. But from 2001-2008, it was definitely the Iranians making overtures and being rebuffed by idiot boy and darth Cheney.

[PufPuf23]

26. That link is very good. Thank you.

I forgive you for appearing on Fox.

Lets smile now.

[Fred Sanders]

14. This misinformation brought to by the same folks that brought you Iraq-bound "Niger uranium yellowcake"!

[ryan_cats]

16. Bush's intelligence idiots should have just used a UPS slip from here:

Bush's intelligence idiots should have just used a UPS slip from here:

http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_8&products_id=873

It would have been more credible.