Contact Pacific Battleship Center. Trump must not step foot on USS IOWA

[maxrandb]

Maybe it's just because I'm a veteran and a former member of the USS IOWA, but the thought that the Pacific Battleship Center would allow this tremendous symbol of America's strength, ingenuity and sacrifice, to be used as a political tool for a political TOOL is disgusting. I contacted them and passed this to some of my fellow Battleship Sailors.

They need to hear from those of us that think Trump's brand of racism, misogyny and xenophobia have no business on the teakwood deck of USS IOWA

email: [e-mail]

Phone: 877-4-IOWA-61 (877-446-9261)

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

1. This best way

would be to voice your opinion that the ship is off limits to any candidate otherwise it is discrimination.
We don't stand for discrimination, right?

[maxrandb]

2. Yes

It should be off limits for political purposes. If he wants to visit and walk around, that's fine, but to sell tickets, have a political rally and raise funds while using USS IOWA, or any military museum as a backdrop should be off-limits.

What's next, a rally at Arlington Cemetery?

[left-of-center2012]

3. It should be off limits for political purposes

Absolutely
Sent an email.

[jberryhill]

4. It's owned by a private charity

http://www.pacificbattleship.com/page/savor

Sign a check, and you can use it for whatever you want:

[A HERETIC I AM]

5. The website you linked says they OPERATE it, not own it

http://www.pacificbattleship.com/page/mission

If I read that correctly it says the State of Iowa owns the ship

[jberryhill]

7. ...thus making the imposition of content restrictions more problematic

Look, it is a facility that obviously is rented out for First Amendment purposes.

The notion that it is reserved only for certain types of speech because... "veterans"... is straight up un-American.

You rent the venue, you get to speak. That's how it works.

[jberryhill]

9. Incidentally...

You see that gun Cher's got her crotch on?




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

The USS Iowa turret explosion occurred in the Number Two 16-inch gun turret of the United States Navy battleship USS Iowa (BB-61) on 19 April 1989. The explosion in the center gun room killed 47 of the turret's crewmen and severely damaged the gun turret itself.

[lonestarnot]

13. Snort.

You always manage to cheer me up and wouldn't know that until now as I just told you.

[jberryhill]

14. Well I didn't mean it to be at all funny

But if I should die and have Cher come rub her crotch on whatever killed me, I personally wouldn't be all that upset either.

[lonestarnot]

15. Doesn't matter how you intended it. As soon as you posted it, it became mine to read and interpret.

Maybe you should let Cher know how you feel.

[jberryhill]

16. Last time I did that, she got a restraining order

[lonestarnot]

17. LOL

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. She filmed that on the Missouri, not the Iowa

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19891015&id=aFdIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oBQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2618,5842313&hl=en

after the explosion.

[jberryhill]

19. That's really weird... the Iowa museum lists her video as a screen credit

Okay, then fine, just photoshop her into this picture then:



But, in any event, the principle is that you pay for the venue, you get to speak.

Nobody died at war in order to hold the Katzenberg bar mitzvah on the foredeck either, but so it goes.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. There's a sneaky 'or' for their list:

Productions featuring battleships and/or USS Iowa:
...

http://www.pacificbattleship.com/page/filmingontheiowa

[jberryhill]

22. I caught that on double-checking. That's shamefully deceptive.

Because, if you watch the Cher video, the elevation on the guns is operative.

I don't know about the Iowa, but on its sister ship here in the Delaware River, the New Jersey, the turrets are all welded and inoperable.

Although, they are nicely aimed at the Ben Franklin Bridge, which is cool.

However, someone might get the impression that the turrets work on the Iowa by seeing the Cher video.

Cher is clearly shown in the video with working turrets.

But, yes, I guess I should post, as my film credits, the Hollywood Productions Featuring humans and/or ME:

Star Wars
Citizen Kane
Gone With The Wind
Deep Throat
The Godfather
The Last Picture Show

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Like the guns on HMS Belfast, moored in central London, target a motorway service station

http://londonist.com/2015/02/why-do-the-guns-of-hms-belfast-point-at-a-motorway-service-station

When Cher filmed on the Missouri in 1989, it was still on active service. So I hope they could change the elevation.

[jberryhill]

25. I'm sure she can still motivate the seamen to change the elevation

[pinboy3niner]

26. Nope. Not going to go there.

I hope you appreciate my self-restraint.

[jberryhill]

27. Well, Friday night is a few days from now

[pinboy3niner]

29. Some of us don't wait 'til Friday, but we still have our standards

They may be low standards, but they're ours.

[pinboy3niner]

21. "Nobody died at war in order to hold the Katzenberg bar mitzvah on the foredeck"

[A HERETIC I AM]

33. I remember that incident very clearly.

Sorry for the delay in responding, but I've been on the road.

Note the second paragraph of the Wikipedia link;

The first investigation into the explosion, conducted by the U.S. Navy, concluded that one of the gun turret crew members, Clayton Hartwig, who died in the explosion, had deliberately caused it. During the investigation, numerous leaks to the media, later attributed to U.S. Navy officers and investigators, implied that Hartwig and another sailor, Kendall Truitt, had engaged in a homosexual relationship and that Hartwig had caused the explosion after their relationship had soured. In its report, however, the U.S. Navy concluded that the evidence did not show that Hartwig was homosexual but that he was suicidal and had caused the explosion with either an electronic or chemical detonator.

They tried to pin it on a gay sailor. This was 4 years preceding the "Don't ask, don't tell" era of Clinton.

As for your other response to me above, I agree with you. I just said what I said because YOU said in the previous post that a private charity owned it. That is not supported in the website you linked.

But I agree...it's a space for rent, basically, and since I have no dog in this hunt, I could give two shits if Trump wants to hold an event on it. I won't be there so it doesn't matter to me in the least. The organization is free to do what they want as far as I am concerned.

[jberryhill]

34. I was simply delighted to find the Cher video

I had not seen it, and I think she is one talented performer.

Apparently, that was on the Missouri though, when the Navy still had it. The Navy had reviewed the song and the arrangements for the performance, but had not been informed in advance of what she would be wearing.

I mean, duh, it's Cher - of course she is going to be wearing something spectacular.

[A HERETIC I AM]

35. I remember when the video came out too!

The attire was...::::ahem:::; less than decorous for the venue?!?




Heh heh

Hells bells, you may remember some of the stuff she used to wear on the "Sonny and Cher Show" was over the top and that was in the early 70's!

She would walk out on prime time wearing something like this, for fucks sake!



I, being a young, red-blooded American male in my formative years, had no bloody problem with it at all!

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

6. That's a

horse of a different color then.
But, I'll still stand by my comment that you either allow all or none.

[jberryhill]

8. It looks like they allow all

Productions featuring battleships and/or USS Iowa:

-Top 10 Fighting Ships

-American Warships (2012)

-Age of Ice (2014)

-American Ninja Warrior (2015)

-Battleship (2012)

-Glimpse of Hell (2001)

-NCIS: Los Angeles "Free Ride", Season 4, Episode 10 -"Fish Out of Water", Season 5, Episode 16

-Ironside (2013)

-The Last Ship (2014)

-Bermuda Tentacles (2014)

-USAA Commerical

-Scandal

-World of Warships Game

-Battlefield 4 Video Game

-Cher, "If I Could Turn Back Time"

-Under Siege (1992)

[JVS]

10. Museum ships can be incredibly expensive to maintain and I would imagine that the organization is...

eager to get money from whatever source possible.

Here's a ship museum that is probably doomed to fail because they just cannot get the money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Olympia_(C-6)#Preservation_of_Olympia

[jberryhill]

11. The Battleship New Jersey is an enormous white elephant

...and, of course, Gov. Christie cut the funds that it was receiving from the state.

Nobody signing this petition is going to offer up a dime to the Battleship Iowa museum.

[JVS]

31. During the papal visit to Philadelphia they're renting out bunks on the ship for $75/night

http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehighvalley/philadelphia-colleges-announce-closures-for-papal-visit/34650402

[jberryhill]

32. Allah be praised!

[Eleanors38]

28. The dreadnought Texas just completed $20m of repair, about to start on $25m

more from a bound issue. Over 100 yrs old, her condition is pretty grim with danger the engines might drop through the rusting hull. Been on it, the Alabama (better shape) and the Drum, a WWII fleet submarine.

[EX500rider]

30. Which is sad given her history..

"This vessel became famous as the flagship of Commodore George Dewey at the Battle of Manila Bay during the Spanish–American War in 1898."
Certainly one of the last of her kind.

[MohRokTah]

12. Praising a retired and obsolete warship and calling it national security

That sound like something Trump would do.

[jberryhill]

23. He should get one of those big "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" banners that W used

[Liberal_in_LA]

36. great ship. I visited it a few weeks ago