"Damn! They never thought he had a bomb!"
Found this great post on FB:
I said: it's sad they thought that kid had a bomb.
She said: they didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: yes, they thought he made a bomb and even called the police.
She said: They just wanted to humiliate a little Muslim boy. They didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: Don't be a conspiracy theorist. They might be a little prejudiced, but I'm sure they thought he had a bomb.
She said: OK.
But they didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't get as far away from him as possible, like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office, not like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive, and then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
Then they took pictures of it.
I said: Damn.....They never thought he had a bomb.
= new reply since forum marked as read
Hoax Bomb: (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to
1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or(2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies. -
Definitions: (13) "Hoax bomb" means a device that A) reasonably appears to be an explosive or incendiary device; or(B) by its design causes alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or a volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.
While one might conclude that under 13(b), the device met the definition of a "hoax bomb", there was absolutely no evidence from which the police could reasonably conclude that Ahmed had the"intent to use the hoax bomb to 1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies".
Since he consistently denied it was a bomb, they had no right assuming it was even a hoax. They tried to pressure him into saying it was, because that was the result they were looking for.
... there was a concern that this was "the infrastructure for a bomb." I take that to mean that they thought it looked like it might be some kind of detonator. You can see my other posts in the thread for more information, if you like.
Below is a picture of what caused the teacher to be concerned. I don't think the concern was unreasonable. I don't think asking the boy about the device was unreasonable. I do think the outcome of the questioning was unreasonable and was fueled by fear, anti-Muslim racism, and an inability to admit their initial suspicions were wrong.
logical than the other fella's logical fallacy.
Cute.
Just a longer way of saying they thought there was a threat. As you stated below "The adults were not bomb experts and may not have been all that up on the terminology".
So they were just experts enough to be up on all the latest bomb technology, and could distinguish a timer and detonator from an actual miniature explosive device or virus laden "dirty" object -"We don't see any explosives," - yet they don't know the "terminology"?
Do you even read what you write?
I didn't get you wrong at all.
Have you heard Evilhair in his speeches? He makes excuses for bigotry too, explains such behavior by calling those, his supporters it seems, "very passionate people". I would pick better people to emulate if I were you,but it's your choice.
Ever read this?
"To understand this, you have to go back to what [the] young brother here referred to as the house Negro and the field Negro -- back during slavery. There was two kinds of slaves. There was the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes - they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good 'cause they ate his food -- what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved their master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house quicker than the master would. The house Negro, if the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro.
If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house nigger." And that's what we call him today, because we've still got some house niggers running around here.
This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. And if someone comes to you right now and says, "Let's separate," you say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation. "What you mean, separate? From America? This good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa," that's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa.
http://field-negro.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-21st-century-but-house-negro-is.html
You can look up the speech on youtube if you are interested. He was talking about freedom, and how people take it when it is being denied them by the privileged people around them. He offers an observation that some people are more concerned about the Master than they are their neighbor, and why they might make up excuses for behavior that they should see as inhuman and wrong.
There is no good excuse for their behavior. White kids have been getting fucking awards for the same shit for decades. It was wrong, and no bully is big enough to excuse these jack-booted thugs.
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Do you think that the teacher and the police always knew that they were looking at nothing but a harmless clock and that the only reason they acted was to "humiliate a little Muslim boy."
Yes or No?
Because that's the position of the Facebook post.
And from my first post to my last, that's all that I'm disagreeing with.
On edit: Below, a photo of Ahmed Mohamed's clock.
He should have told Ahmed to leave it with him; he could do a S&T during science class. That teacher clearly was aware that the administrators were bigoted assholes itching for the chance to dump on the brown kid ... again.
What might have been
Many of you are falling prey to groupthink. See my post above (#24).
Or don't, and continue expressing shock and indignation that it was all an elaborate ruse on the part of officials who clearly never believed there was anything troubling about Ahmed's device, as proved by the crystal-clear logic of a Facebook post. 
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when you know you really don't, then isn't it the COPS who perpetrated the bomb hoax?
rocktivity
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Bigotry or incompetence above and beyond the call of duty? Now they'll have to pick one...
“I get that. I understand the concern,” the chief responded. “The officers pretty quickly determined that they weren’t investigating an explosive device. What their investigation centered around is the law violation of bringing a device into a facility like that that is intended to create a level of alarm. In other words, a hoax bomb — something that is not really a bomb, but is designed and presented in a way that it creates people to be afraid.”
“Right, but he never called it a bomb, right?” Hayes countered. “He just kept calling it a clock. I mean, it never came out of his lips, he never did something or started showing it around saying, ‘Look at this bomb I have.’ He said, ‘Look at my clock.'” Boyd said...that in many cases, someone who would make a “hoax bomb” would not be likely to admit to doing so to police...“With what they had at that time, they made the best decision that they had at that point in time.”
If the police had decided that it was neither a bomb or a detonator, the best decision would have been to explain to the boy that he had nearly perpetrated a bomb hoax and gone home.
rocktivity
This is a low-budget police department. All their training comes from watching B-movie action/adventure flicks.
In those movies, bombs always have a digital time readout. Because terrorists always include a digital timer -- so the good guys and the audience know exactly how much time they have left to defuse the bomb.
So, it was a natural mistake.
He has glimpses of understanding he was targeted but right now still happy to be right. He is excited to go to the White House. I am sad because that young child will start to realize that racism was at work. His life and how he sees other seeing him is already changing..
And this is the way it is for thousands upon thousands of other lovely young faces. Damn it.
Damn it all to hell. We need to connect to the humanity in each of us.
is strong with this one!
