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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:45 PM Sep 2015

Fiorina suggests she had no knowledge HP was illegally selling lots and lots of printers to Iran

"The question is what do you do when you find out."

“Are you saying you didn’t know about it?” host Chris Wallace asked.

“In fact, the SEC investigation proved that neither I nor anyone else in management knew about it…” she insisted, adding, “...when the company discovered this three years after I left, they cut off all ties. The SEC investigated very thoroughly and concluded that no one in management was aware.”


Is it me, or did she fail to answer the question? She never directly said she had no knowledge. She only said that an investigation proved she had no knowledge. It's an inquiry she was conflicted about during her 2010 run for the U.S. Senate.

It's also a business partnership that worked out so well, HP became Iran's top seller of printers with 41 percent of the market share by 2007. The stellar performance earned the foreign subsidiary that was making the sales, Redington Gulf, high praise from HP.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/21/1423461/-Fiorina-suggests-she-had-no-knowledge-HP-was-illegally-selling-lots-and-lots-of-printers-to-Iran

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liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
4. In the corporate world, the CEO is responsible regardless of their knowledge
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:51 PM
Sep 2015

It is their responsibility to insure that nothing illegal happens.

But I hope the former employees of a once great company don't let her rewrite history and what she did to them.

kimbutgar

(21,040 posts)
5. Yet the right wing in this country blames President Obama for anything goes wrong in the country.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

Ebola response - Obama's fault...even though the UN was inadequate with their response
Benghazi - Obama's and Now Hillaryy's fault
Cops being killed - even though the historical rates under are Obama are lower - Obama's fault because of BLM
Isis - Obama's fault because Bush/Cheney Iraq war destabilized the Middle East.
Everything that goes wrong on the world Obama's fault!

Carly was the Ceo of Hp who sold to Iran but it's not her fault......I don't think so....

JustAnotherGen

(31,777 posts)
6. I'm going to give her this one
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:58 PM
Sep 2015

One of my 'five pillars' I'm responsible for is import/export control. The person/individual is personally held responsible that triggers the illegal export or financial transaction. I could see that unless they accepted money directly from Iran -and exported directly to Iran - then they arent' responsible. That's the way S.O.S. and CBP would see it.

from the article at the link:

Appearing on Fox's Fox News Sunday, Fiorina said that despite being the CEO of HP when the Iranian sales took place via a third party, she was unaware of them.

"First, HP, you need to remember, was larger than each of the 50 states," Fiorina said. "It's a larger budget than any one of our 50 states, and a global enterprise. And so it's impossible to ensure that nothing wrong ever happens. The question is what do you do when you find out."


I'd also say that as the CEO - she would be the last person to know. Who should have been aware is the Sales team (from tradeshow talk alone) and eventually their reverse logistics team for repairs and refab.


This morning -

CBP contacts me and a fraud manager - is this Major Cell Phone Manufacturer phone being shipped to Nigeria fraud.

Yes - it was.

We aren't responsible for what a non customer (fraudster) 'customer' does with the device. However I'm still able to elect to have that device returned to me (ill gotten gains) for refab or destruction.


Another example - employee elects to use my Fed Ex account to ship to Belarus 3 devices purchased at our store at full price on behalf of the customer.
Employee does not reach out to Import/Export H Security team . . . and ships.
Employee is personally held legally responsible. Not fed ex and not the oversight team. Devices intercepted - they lost their job, they were fined (still under house arrest I think) because they were shipping to someone on the BIS list (who was doing business with Iran).

The CEO of my company wouldn't know about that.


BTW - Carly Fiorina sucks -she sucks rotten eggs. And she's a lying liar about a lot of things - but on this? I'll give her a pass.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. Of course she knew about it, that lie is so obvious it will keep her out of the WH.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

I am glad she is lying her ass off about this, it will not end well for her. I LOVE it when a repukes ego costs them everything. It makes my year.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
8. I'm not buying that one bit
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

The sales to Iran were a massive volume of equipment- even if they went trough a third party there is no way the people running HP didn't know where they were ending up just because them wouldn't ignore and just take that volume of sales for granted.

I'm sure it was all wink wink, nod nod, these are going to XXXX if you know what I mean type stuff where they never admitted it on paper- but HP had to know somethibg was up.

RussBLib

(9,002 posts)
11. if they are so ignorant of what their own company is doing...
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:29 PM
Sep 2015

...why pay them so much money?

And then they give her $21 million just to get her the hell outta Dodge! What a gig!

mcar

(42,278 posts)
13. Another CEO politician
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:33 PM
Sep 2015

running on her "business" experience but who cannot possibly be held responsible for anything that happened under her watch. See Scott, Rick.

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