How Do You Divide A Country Headed For Right & Left Divorce.

[TheMastersNemesis]

It looks more and more that the GOP base and RW Christians cannot live with any form or secularism in government. They insist we will have a theocratic dictatorship with its own Christian sharia law. Meanwhile the rest of us embrace the Constitution and secular government. Neither side will give an inch in its position. And the lines solidify more an more.

It is like a broken marriage where neither party can live with the other in any kind of piece. At best it is a stalemate. At worse it is open political warfare all the time. Could the US be headed for a two state or two nation solution. A red state blue state division.

Now the situation may seem extreme and probably is. There seems to be no way to bridge differences.

[villager]

1. I suspect the effects of climate change will bring about a collapse of empire...

...which, in turn, will bring about the end of the U.S. as s single, continent-wide "polity," eventually breaking down into smaller, regional governments...

2060ish or so? Sooner?

[Nay]

2. I think this will happen, too. The US will break up into smaller nation-states according

to their regional proclivities, which will mean there will definitely be a Jesusland that will take over the South and Midwest.

[Hortensis]

27. Nah. But if a Jesusland did take over those areas, they'd turn them into "third

world" states, and the surrounding countries would be taking in their refugees.

Jesusland dictators, religiofascist and koch-ish, would inevitably attack their advanced, progressive neighbors for gain, cloaked in excesses of xenophobic hate and nationalistic aggression, and those nations would then be forced to take them over to clean up the chronic problems over their back fences. Sitting down like nice sensible states to slice up the territories among them and begin working on their economic development.

It's all so clear... Like somehow we've seen it all before.

[n2doc]

29. exactly

There is a liberal fantasy that somehow the Jesusland states would not have any military and that all the military would be kept in the hands of the "true USA" blue states. Even though the military is heavily dominated by soldiers from red states, a lot of military bases are in Jesusland, and they love war much more than do the coasts.

Plus the whole evangelical thing were they are called to spread 'the word'....

[Orsino]

3. With money, same as always. n/t

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

4. Works for me! When can we divy states up?

Here has been no real good reason to remain united for a very long time now. Speaking for myself and I am sure others will agree there are parts of the USA and people that I have absolutely nothing in common with at all. I have more in common with people in Canada or Mexico then I do people in Alabama. Alabama is just an example.
I am sure it is vise versa too

The first division should go back to the configuration at the start of the civil war the Potomac River is a good natural division.

[onenote]

17. My guess is that what you actually know about Alabama

could fit on the back of a postage stamp.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

18. Alabama was just an example and I know plenty about it

In fact I know enough to stay away and have nothing to do with the place and fully support any effort by the state to leave the current union
Basically I don't give a flying f____ about the place.

[Fumesucker]

20. Bless your heart...

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

21. ahhh yes the southern FU

Thanks for confirming why I don't care.

[meow2u3]

41. Let'em have the old Confederate states back for themselves

We also have to make sure we have a strong, but not bloated, military so the neo-Confederates don't start in on us and invade the US the way they did in 1861. We have to secure the Confederate borders so that only the refugees (e.g., black, Latino, and other minorities the Cons will enslave) can come in and white "neo-copperhead" malcontents can go there to live.

[jwirr]

5. You do realize that if we do the two nation solution our

countries will look like they were gerrymandered?

[michreject]

6. What's to stop the armed red countries

from declaring war on the weaker countries, enslaving the radical liberal citizens of the newly formed blue countries?

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

7. Not all gun owners are conservative, some of the best warriors I personally know are very liberal

[ileus]

23. Guns aren't only sold in red countries....and as a Blue state gun owner I can affirm that.

Besides they learned their lesson a Gettysburg.


Most folks in the South have no interest in the North...way too shitty weather.

[damnedifIknow]

8. Don't like the Constitution?

Well then pack up and go somewhere where there isn't one.

[moondust]

9. Friendly divorce?

Could be quite a challenge dividing up all federal stuff to everyone's satisfaction. Shoulda had a prenup.

But then it might be easier to make "energetic progress in the good" while boycotting and divesting from the bad, similar to South Africa.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

11. One should already be boycotting and divesting from the bad if not one is not really engaged.

[onenote]

10. When repubs talk of secession we mock them.

Just saying.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

12. Try to present a counter argument as to why we should remain united

I can't thing of ANY reason why we should remain united

[Bucky]

14. You, yes you with the silly DU moniker, do some reading.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-seceding-from-the-us-will-cost-you-2012-11-16

Not that any grown ups are listening to your advice, but here's an article to educate ya on why secession is a lose-lose situation

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

16. Despite the personal attack about my moniker I read your old dated link try again or increase

Your knowledge http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00QNIWV9G/ref=mp_s_a_1_sc_1?qid=1442945157&sr=8-1-spell&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=better+off+with+out+Em

[Hortensis]

32. Fun read, thanks.

[Bucky]

13. Perhaps we could build a fence

Ah, but who would pay for it?

[workinclasszero]

15. I'm gonna live in the Free Blueland

Hopefully we build a massive wall around Republican Sharialand so the freeper teabaggers can't escape when mexico invades and takes back their former land!

[Hortensis]

34. Almost certainly it would be Publand launching terrorist

attacks on all the dangerous enemies that type'd inevitably see as surrounding them. Not actual invasions because, of course, after the first or second lost attempts, they'd be too poor to rebuild a real army.

[spanone]

19. they, meaning the theocrats, are a small minority.

fuck them.

[RKP5637]

30. I think the majority of people find them quite obnoxious. It's MSM that makes them sound

bigger than they are to churn/increase ratings and $$$$$'s coming in.

[Hortensis]

37. MSM, AND all the moderate traditional and economic GOPers who so

stupidly and irresponsibly have refused to separate from the troublemakers to their right. I've spent 35 years waiting for them to stand up, brush the fleas off, and say, "No more!"

A few have, finally. Most have not.

[HereSince1628]

35. Don't -ever- do that. THAT is how they REPLICATE!

The Darwinian solution looks more like--leave their lives barren.

[spanone]

40. metaphorically speaking, of course

[whatthehey]

43. If only that were true..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-rich/breaking-news-34-of-your-_1_b_3461262.html

[NutmegYankee]

22. I think we will remain one country.

The ultra-religious and fascists will start to die off soon and shrink in population. They will still be around and very vocal, but as a much smaller minority.

[One_Life_To_Give]

24. United only in their opposition to the "other"

If it wasn't for those people over there. They would be squabbling with each other over a host of things. They could never agree on Which religion is the one true version, or the one true interpretation of the constitution etc. In part each owes it's existence to the other.

[raccoon]

25. I'll request political asylum in the Twin Cities if this happens. nt

[RKP5637]

31. K&R! n/t

[ZM90]

26. What about us liberals in the red states that would have a hard time leaving???

Seriously I and some liberals in OK that I know would not want to be stuck in a fascist government.

[djean111]

28. Yes. I live in Florida. Some people have a very childlike and simplistic view that all inhabitants

of a state or region are homogeneous. I just shake my head and am particularly grateful when they say they will never visit my state. I don't know that I could have a meaningful discussion with them, if I happened to meet them. It's all good!

[RKP5637]

33. Florida IMO is an extremely diverse place, locals, transplants, vacationers and people

from all over the world, young, old and all are in Florida. It's a very unique place. IMO it's probably the most diverse state in the US.

[djean111]

36. Exactly right you are!

I do think the election results are the result of cheating, too. And then we have Little Debbie, meddling in elections on behalf of her GOP friends.

[RKP5637]

38. There are soooo many absolutely beautiful places in Florida noway will the wackos be allowed to

take them all over. Rick Scott getting in again was IMO an example of cheating. Most of the state hated him, yet there he is, a criminal voted in again. NC and SC have beautiful areas too, absolutely beautiful, and despite what is said all of NC and SC are not RW nuts.

[oberliner]

39. What about the GOPers who are alarmed by all the RW Christian talk in their party?

Where do they end up? Are they the folks that we can win over to our side in the general?

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

42. They should have done something about them soon like not embrace them for the last 30 plus years

They created the monster they can put it down

[Johonny]

44. The GOP base represents a smaller and smaller subset of America

If the undercounted consistently voted the GOP would be in WHIG territory right now. The Ted Cruz of the world might want a theocracy but the return of the country to a more secular base seems right on track. Religion rose in the earl 20th century peak around Eisenhower and has been dropping. If the country were truly divided then these people would likely get a very short end of the stick. It won't be divided because a secular government won't (and really never has) directly opposed, attack or restrained them. They just pretend it does.