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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, the Pope is in town ...
And it looks like FOX has a war on Christianity.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7616156
randys1
(16,286 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)Republicans!
I hate them for being so fucking stupid and gullible. I don't want to share my country with them (and I'm sure the feeling is mutual )
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)The Catholic Church is killing people
The Catholic Church is killing people. Not by pulling a trigger or wielding a weapon, but by imposing Dark Age ideas on a vulnerable population.
This needs to be stated clearly: The Catholic Church is morally responsible for the deaths of millions of Africans. Those that have not died as a result of imposing this theology, the Church would now like to saddle with polio and tetanus.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/freethoughtnow/were-all-africans-stand-against-hivaids-polio-and-the-catholic-church/
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)beneath might become aware and choose to stop acting like these monsters deserve respect.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Got the cafeteria-catholic response and mis-statement on what Benny the Rat actually said.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Just pointing out Fox's hypocrisy.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)pnwmom
(108,975 posts)And five years ago then Pope Benedict relaxed the Church's position on condoms used to prevent HIV transmission.
And the vast majority of Africans aren't Catholic. (Only 2% of people in Northern Africa and about 20% of people in sub-Saharan Africa are Catholic.) How can the Church be held responsible for the deaths of people who aren't Catholic and don't care about Church teachings?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)That's signed by the Cardinal and a couple dozen bishops. They answer to Pope Awesome. Dismiss it if it makes you feel better, but I won't. Frank has the power to stop that. And should. Quickly. The move on their position on condom usage was proof that they can and should evolve. But the fact remains that millions are infected that didn't have to be because of years of misinformation and dogma. They only way to change that is to keep telling them they're wrong and putting pressure on the leaders like Popey to lead.
pnwmom
(108,975 posts)and they are not representing any larger Church position.
And they acknowledge that in your link:
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)They are dangerous fear mongering assholes who are speaking on behalf of the RCC. Pope McDreamy is quick to censure nuns who "promote radical feminist ideology", but he lets these fuckers spread these lies.
treestar
(82,383 posts)it's comparable to holding all Muslims responsible for the radicals. How is the Pope supposed to supervise bishops worldwide. It is not standard church policy, which you're painting is as.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)It's his fucking job.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You do realize that the Vatican's policy on condoms is dooming millions of women and children to a lifetime of poverty - if they live long enough that is.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)control. Those things are directly related.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But all the apologists are outraged about is criticism of the precious Church.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You might recall how a few years ago antivaccinationists leaped on a statement by Bill Gates that if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that [population] by perhaps 10 or 15 percent. They used it to accuse Gates of being a eugenicist and that vaccines were in actuality an instrument of global depopulation. It was a ridiculous charge of course. In context, it was clear that Gates was referring to how the expected population increase from 6.8 billion to 9 billion could be blunted with good health care; in other words, he was referring to how good health care could decrease the rate of population growth, not how vaccines could be used to depopulate the world. However, because of the prevalence of the myth that vaccines are sterilizing agents intended for global depopulation, the charge that Gates is a eugenicist, as batshit nuts as it obviously is to reasonable people, resonated in the anti-science world of antivaccinationists. Similar claims, namely that there is something in vaccines that results in infertility and sterilization, have been unfortunately very effective in frightening people in Third World countries and have played a major role in antivaccine campaigns that have delayed the eradication of polio.
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Before you can understand the why the claim that hCG is in the tetanus vaccine would produce fear that the vaccine is in reality a sterilization agent, you need to know about a previous experimental vaccine. hCG is what is commonly referred to as the pregnancy hormone. Pregnancy tests are based on detecting hCG, which can first be detected about 11 days after conception and whose levels rise rapidly thereafter, peaking in the first 8-11 weeks of pregnancy. In the past, attempts have been made to produce a vaccine that targets hCG and thus results in the inability to conceive a child. It is a technique that falls under the category of immunocontraception. It takes little more than a quick trip to Wikipedia (among other sources) to learn that as far back as the 1970s, hCG was conjugated to tetanus toxoid in order to make a vaccine against hCG, because hCG itself did not provoke enough of an immune response. Its not necessary to know all the details and history. From the 1970s on, there have been clinical trials of such vaccine contraceptives using hCG, and it is possible to prevent pregnancy by this approach, although antibody response against hCG declines with time.
This brings us back to the claims being made, described in an editorial by the Catholic Church in Kenya that appeared in Kenya Today. According to this article, the WHO had embarked on a vaccination program against tetanus that somehow had aroused the ire and suspicion of the Catholic Church because it was aimed at girls and women. The reason, of course, is because in Kenya there is a high risk of acquiring tetanus during childbirth, but the Catholic Church saw more nefarious motives:
Our concern and the subject of this discussion is the WHO/UNICEF sponsored tetanus immunization campaign launched last year in October ostensibly to eradicate neonatal tetanus. It is targeted at girls and women between the ages of 14 49 (child bearing age) and in 60 specific districts spread all around the country. The tetanus vaccine being used in this campaign has been imported into the country specifically for this purpose and bears a different batch number from the regular TT. So far, 3 doses have been given the first in October 2013, the second in March 2014 and the third in October 2014. It is highly possible that there are two more doses to go.
Unlike other mass vaccination exercise, this particular WHO/UNICEF organized and sponsored tetanus vaccination campaign was launched at the New Stanley Hotel in Nairobi which is extremely unusual for a public campaign. For this reason, many people, including health professional did not know about the campaign until the matter was addressed by the Catholic Bishops.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/11/13/catholic-doctors-and-priests-versus-the-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya/