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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:19 PM Sep 2015

Breaking: Carly Fiorina and HP Scammed Taxpayers Out Of $4 Billion

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The Daily Beast has just released a troubling report which seriously calls into question her judgement and motivations as a CEO and her moral integrity as a person. It also indicates just what kind of a opportunistic and heartless patrician she really is.

Under Fiorina, Hewlett-Packard heavily lobbied the U.S. government for a tax holiday – the Homeland Investment Act of 2004. Piteous moaning about the burden of having to pay corporate taxes and how it was restricting them from creating jobs was met with open arms by the George W. Bush Administration, which bent over backwards for the oligarchs and gave them a tax break on money earned overseas. Their tax rate was dropped from 35% to 5.25%, and HP saved $4.3 billion dollars.

Fiorina then decided that her personal finances were more important than the workers of her company or even the health of the company herself, and poured four billion dollars into stock buybacks, where a company artificially inflates its own stock by putting its own money into it, funneling the profits directly to Fiorina and the shareholders- which was specifically prohibited in the tax holiday bill in the first place.

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/breaking-carly-fiorina-and-hp-scammed-taxpayers-out-of-4-billion/



Carly Fiorina’s $4 Billion Job Scam at Hewlett-Packard

As CEO, she lobbied for a tax holiday on corporate profits to create jobs. Instead, the money was used to buy back stock while HP fired 14,500 workers.

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Take, for example, the cynically named Homeland Investment Act of 2004. The bill was passed as part of the equally cynically named American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 after intense lobbying with Hewlett-Packard in the forefront.

The purported aim of the legislation was to generate economic growth and therefore jobs at home by according corporations a one year “tax holiday” on billions in overseas profits they had stashed offshore.

The result was a $265 billion corporate giveaway.

The windfall was supposed to go toward research and development, and other job-creating endeavors.

Instead, almost all of it was put into stock buybacks as a way of funneling cash to stockholders, these prominently including CEOs.

Never mind that the bill prohibited such buybacks.

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Hewlett-Packard saved more than $4.3 billion and put more than $4 billion into stock buybacks. It laid off 14,500 workers.

To make it all even uglier, Hewlett-Packard lobbied for the Homeland Investment Act as a member of something called the Homeland Investment Coalition—this at a time when the “war on terror” was intensifying and the word “Homeland” made everyone think of national security.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/23/carly-fiorina-s-4-billion-job-scam.html


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Breaking: Carly Fiorina and HP Scammed Taxpayers Out Of $4 Billion (Original Post) Catherina Sep 2015 OP
Typical Rethug grifter. kairos12 Sep 2015 #1
Hopefully this story.. busterbrown Sep 2015 #2
Well, I wonder if it will just get buried. I'll believe it when I see it up on Morning Joe... CTyankee Sep 2015 #3
believe me they know... busterbrown Sep 2015 #18
Morning Dumb Fuck won't say a word. 47of74 Sep 2015 #35
Every living teapartier alive would crawl across cut glass to STILL vote for this person over ANY randys1 Sep 2015 #26
She will just say she did not know at the time...just like her illegal sales to Iran. Rex Sep 2015 #4
Can't. gcomeau Sep 2015 #9
Oh good! I am so tired of them getting away with crime! Rex Sep 2015 #21
No wonder Trump hates her so personally Bucky Sep 2015 #5
Shared. HughBeaumont Sep 2015 #6
Amazing how clueless many are. Wellstone ruled Sep 2015 #7
HP's $4.3 billion Blus4u Sep 2015 #8
This will probably help her out in the primaries... ion_theory Sep 2015 #10
Scary but true. True shit-for-brains. And I have some in my family --- Oh no!! erronis Sep 2015 #14
Have right-wing family memebers as well... ion_theory Sep 2015 #30
Agreed.... Wounded Bear Sep 2015 #20
Toss in some racism and her poll numbers will rise hibbing Sep 2015 #11
Kicked, rec'd and tweeted. Kingofalldems Sep 2015 #12
Homeland never made me think of national security. Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #13
Thanks for the post. I knew about a lot of dae Sep 2015 #15
limbaugh basically called her 'establishment' today, unlike trump and certainot Sep 2015 #16
So she's a liar and a thief CanonRay Sep 2015 #17
Fire 15,000 people, drive the company into the ground, and get rewarded with an 85% tax cut. TrollBuster9090 Sep 2015 #19
K & R. Exposure needed like this for all oligarchs! Duppers Sep 2015 #22
I think we just need to look at her latest judgement on campaign ad about Planned Parenthood. rladdi Sep 2015 #23
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #24
Jebthro smiles. Octafish Sep 2015 #25
You do realize that this will make her more popular ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #27
K&R, thanks for posting, Catherina red dog 1 Sep 2015 #28
Standard plutocrat M.O. hifiguy Sep 2015 #29
She's really a vile and dishonest human being. Vinca Sep 2015 #31
There isn't much that surprises me about Fiorina davidpdx Sep 2015 #32
She should pass up Trump in the polls Spirochete Sep 2015 #33
Just more Republicans getting free stuff from the government. nt TeamPooka Sep 2015 #34
The Homeland investment Act became part of the AJCA Mnpaul Dec 2015 #36

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
3. Well, I wonder if it will just get buried. I'll believe it when I see it up on Morning Joe...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:51 PM
Sep 2015

they've been giddy on Carly for days now. They gotta get real...

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
18. believe me they know...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:22 PM
Sep 2015

of this and all the other crap she has done.. They play to their base audience.. Repubs and low info voters who by the way are intelligent, but just don’t follow politics closely.. They follow it but not closely..

If she starts threatening Trump.. Trump will let this crap fly.. Just like he did with Walker..

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. Every living teapartier alive would crawl across cut glass to STILL vote for this person over ANY
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015

democrat.

There arent enough teapartiers, alone, to elect a president, however.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. She will just say she did not know at the time...just like her illegal sales to Iran.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:53 PM
Sep 2015

Glad this is coming out now, she needs to be exposed for the grifter she is.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
9. Can't.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:21 PM
Sep 2015

This isn't some loosely supervised subsidiary doing something. Massive stock buybacks do not happen without CEO approval. Nor does the layoff of 14000+ workers.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
5. No wonder Trump hates her so personally
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:56 PM
Sep 2015

He only rips off taxpayers by manipulating bankruptcy laws and only dodges few billion bucks at a time.

Fiorina does it to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, makes The Donald look like chump change.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
6. Shared.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:04 PM
Sep 2015

Utterly fucking disgusting. Swaths of America still buy the trickle on nonsense. The wealthy are not your friends, people.

Blus4u

(608 posts)
8. HP's $4.3 billion
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:17 PM
Sep 2015

Is a drop in the bucket compared to the $265 billion skimmed under the Homeland Investment Act of 2004 where the bulk of that money went to the companies' stock buy back program.

Stock buybacks were prohibited under both of these pieces of legislation. Too bad we don't have a government which seeks to recover these illegally obtained funds for the American taxpayer.

Peace

ion_theory

(235 posts)
10. This will probably help her out in the primaries...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:26 PM
Sep 2015

The repugs will just say all that means in she is a good business woman and show how our government impedes that. At this point they could have proof that she hasn't paid taxes since 1975 and she'd go up 5 points. Shameful shit...

ion_theory

(235 posts)
30. Have right-wing family memebers as well...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:46 PM
Sep 2015

Love them to death, but the right-wingers always seem to be the least educated, most racist, least interested in actual policy and legislation, least empathetic toward others, and over 35 y/o (and this doesn't refer to more 'experience,' but old ways of thinking), and more nihilistic than those one the left or moderate. Also when politics comes up in the discussion, it's always them who actually get angry and start making arguments based on emotion and subjective reasoning.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
13. Homeland never made me think of national security.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:42 PM
Sep 2015

It instead reminded me of Fatherland and/or Motherland and it had nothing to do with national security and patriotism. Instead it reminded me of the PTB telling we the sheeple into believing that war was a good thing. I never fell for it but I know many people that still believe such bullshit. But I digress.

Carly Fiorina, if elected president, would utterly destroy any semblance of this country we have left. She would treat this country as her own personal HP.

dae

(3,396 posts)
15. Thanks for the post. I knew about a lot of
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:03 PM
Sep 2015

her shenanigans while at HP but not this. Hope her exposure causes her campaign meltdown.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
16. limbaugh basically called her 'establishment' today, unlike trump and
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:10 PM
Sep 2015

carson. he may have had a hint of this so now he can say "see?"

meanwhile he recounts stories of how he could call rove to have a short talk with bush

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
19. Fire 15,000 people, drive the company into the ground, and get rewarded with an 85% tax cut.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:23 PM
Sep 2015

Hey, only in America!

rladdi

(581 posts)
23. I think we just need to look at her latest judgement on campaign ad about Planned Parenthood.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:00 PM
Sep 2015

A false, outright LIE. This is the woman that wants to be our leader. She lead HP in losing half it value, while taking home tens of millions as she got fired by the board of HP. She has made some of the worst decisions that any leader could make. But we understand that the Republicans run failed people as their candidates for Presidents.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. Jebthro smiles.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:09 PM
Sep 2015

Thank you for the heads-up, Catherina! This puts the final torpedo into the face that shipped 30,000 lunches overseas.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
31. She's really a vile and dishonest human being.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:47 PM
Sep 2015

Apparently she's now embellishing on her debate Planned Parenthood lies. The sad part is, the dim bulbs never bother to check out the truth.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
32. There isn't much that surprises me about Fiorina
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015

Personally I like HP's products, but I dislike both Fiorina and Whitman.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
36. The Homeland investment Act became part of the AJCA
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:05 PM
Dec 2015

Congress in 2004 passed the act as part of the American Jobs Creation Act. Under the Homeland Investment Act, businesses were given a one-time deduction of 85 percent of U.S. taxable incomes for extraordinary dividends received from their controlled foreign corporations, with some limitations. That made the effective tax rate 5.25 percent, compared with the normal 35 percent, according to the IRS in a 2008 study.
http://www.crn.com/news/channel-programs/240161618/the-2004-homeland-investment-act-ripple-effects.htm

AJCA: The most absurd corporate tax giveaway of 2005
http://primary.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2006/04/the_104_billion_refund.html

Many Democrats, including Clinton, bought into it.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2004/s211

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