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"We must learn to do more with less" (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2015 OP
teaparty believes rich dont have enough, poor have too much randys1 Sep 2015 #1
translation w0nderer Sep 2015 #2
Big business pundits and execs have totally ripped off Bucky Fuller on this! LongTomH Sep 2015 #3
IIRC Jeb said that same thing a few weeks ago. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #4
He just said it again. hifiguy Sep 2015 #5
That family has a lot of stupid in their blood line. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #6
Well, that family tree doesn't branch much. KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #10
That is fucking disgusting. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #9
We've been doing more with less LWolf Sep 2015 #7
Yes, we poor have Milliesmom Sep 2015 #8
Great cartoon Gothmog Sep 2015 #11
We Hippies have been saying that since forever. bvar22 Sep 2015 #12

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
2. translation
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:41 PM
Sep 2015

"my profit margins aren't enough to satisfy my greed, work harder whilst i fire people"

let's see the rich do with less, less income
less assets, less...

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
3. Big business pundits and execs have totally ripped off Bucky Fuller on this!
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:58 PM
Sep 2015

When Bucky said it, it was all about making the Earth's resources go further to provide for all mankind!

lpbk2713

(42,742 posts)
4. IIRC Jeb said that same thing a few weeks ago.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:13 PM
Sep 2015



And then over the next few days he had to back pedal his way out of what he said.


lpbk2713

(42,742 posts)
6. That family has a lot of stupid in their blood line.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:32 PM
Sep 2015



I have to stifle a snicker whenever I hear the assertion that Jeb is the smart one.


LWolf

(46,179 posts)
7. We've been doing more with less
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:40 PM
Sep 2015

every single year for a very long time in my profession.

It's a mantra: public schools and teachers must do more with less.

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
8. Yes, we poor have
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:02 PM
Sep 2015

refrigerators and some even have TV's ! Please notice the date, but this is how these people think, damn! I can sleep in the backseat of my own car, so if I own a car how can I be poor..


Heritage's Refrigerator-Based Dismissal Of Poverty Wrongly Defines "Typical" Poor Families

August 18, 2011 2:19 pm ET — Jamison Foser
Given the Heritage Foundation's touching concern for the crushing tax burden that keeps billionaires from being able to afford to buy their own vacation homes on the moon, you might assume the conservative think tank is even more worried about the plight of the nation's poor families. Wrong! The poor have it good, Heritage insists, because they own refrigerators and rarely have to sleep in the back seat of a borrowed car.

As the Center for American Progress (CAP) has explained, the central premise of Heritage's argument — that the poor have it good because they own consumer appliances — is inane. Color televisions and microwave ovens simply aren't very expensive:

First, the electronic devices that Heritage cites are everyday necessities today. Who has iceboxes anymore? Who doesn't need a cell phone to find a job or keep one? Fortunately, these appliances are all significantly cheaper these days, but not so the real everyday basics such as quality child care and out-of-pocket medical costs, both of which have risen much faster than inflation, squeezing the budgets of the poor and middle-class alike.

As CAP notes, if a poor family sold its used refrigerator, it could use the proceeds to buy about eight days' worth of food — and then it wouldn't have a refrigerator, making it more difficult and costly to have healthy food on hand.

So that's the basic problem with Heritage's argument: The "amenities" it uses to show how well-off the poor are simply aren't the expensive luxury items they once were. But there's another problem: Heritage overstates how typical these appliances are among the poor. Here's Heritage Foundation Senior Research Fellow Robert Rector:


[W]hat does it mean to be "poor" in the U.S.? Government data show that the typical poor family with children has a computer, cable TV, air conditioning, a car, multiple TVs, a microwave, and an Xbox in the home.

Rector links a report he published earlier this year, at the end of which is an appendix indicating that 50.8 percent of poor households with children have a personal computer (though little more than a third has Internet access) and 53.9 percent have a video game system and 61.8 percent have cable TV, and so on. Here's the problem: If roughly half of poor families with children have a computer, and roughly half have a video game system, and roughly 60 percent have cable TV, and those amenities are independently distributed, we'd expect only about 15 percent to have all three.

Certainly, then, it would not be accurate to say a "typical" poor family has all three (and more.) And if the amenities are not independently distributed — if all poor households that have a computer also have a video game system and cable television — that means that roughly 40 percent don't have a computer, video game, or cable television. So, again, it would be misleading to say a "typical" poor family has all three amenities if 40 percent don't have any of them.

Perhaps an analogy will help demonstrate the falsity of Rector's approach: Say you have a group of school children, of which half play soccer, half play basketball, half are in the school band, half are in the drama club, and half are on the debate team. Using Robert Rector's approach, we would conclude that the typical child plays soccer and basketball, and is in band, drama club, and on the debate team. But such a conclusion is inconsistent with both the laws of probability and common sense.

It should be noted that this wasn't a one-time misleading phrasing on Rector's part. He and Heritage regularly peddle the cruel argument that life is sweet for the poor because of ovens and answering machines — and regularly engage in this statistical sleight of hand. Here, for example, is Rector in 2004:


Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo.

Rector based that statement on findings that "over half own two or more color televisions" and "more than half have a stereo" and "62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception" and so on. In other words, making misleading statements about the frequency with which poor families own all of a given list of amenities isn't an accident at the Heritage Foundation — it's policy.

Sorry I had to copy and paste all of it as the link simply would not work











bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. We Hippies have been saying that since forever.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 04:42 PM
Sep 2015
Less IS More!

---bvar22 & Starkraven
Living well on a LOW taxable income,
and stuff we learned in the 60s.
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