How did D-O-C-T-O-R Ben Carson get past 3rd grade?

[pangaia]

The guy can not carry on an intelligent conversation.
If you READ edited versions of what he said, it is, well, almost intelligible.

BUT, LISTEN to the interview,, IF you dare.. I mean.. it is old SNL material.. maybe it really IS SNL.. Could fool me.'

He is being..."interviewed?" by "....ABC’s Martha Raddatz in remarks that aired on ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."

I can not even copy and paste a couple of paragraphs.. you gotta see and hear it... or maybe you shouldn't.. or.. for a belly laugh,, or cry....



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-koran_5607eddae4b0768126fde44d

[stage left]

1. Social Promotion?

[yeoman6987]

5. That's ridiculous

You do know he operated on conjoined twins successfully. He is super smart. Again someone doesn't agree with us and he is dumb and can't get through 3rd grade without social advancement? An African American no less? Do you listen to yourself?

[madamesilverspurs]

7. He's VERY intelligent. However,

he's also a superior demonstration of the old dictum that intelligence and insanity are not mutually exclusive.

[yeoman6987]

8. Well I can go with that

What I can't and won't believe is that dr. Carson made it through school because of social promotion. That is low and insulting.

[SusanCalvin]

12. No, he's very good at memorizing what he needs for his job,

and at very specific physical skills.

Oh, there's some judgement involved as well, but few people skills, and none of the kind of judgment and people skills you'd need if you were, say, a G. P.

There are different kinds of intelligence. I don't think his is the presidential kind.

[pangaia]

23. "MY' olpthamologist is not so hot at people skills, either.

But, damn, the guys is a good opthommoliogios.. !

[SusanCalvin]

29. Exactly. Not a good president. nt

[pangaia]

13. There are different kinds of intelligence.

There is the kind that allows one to be a surgeon, i guess.
And then there is the one that allows someone to play the final movement of the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto at 186mm while smiling at the wind players.. And this after bringing people to tears playing the 2nd movement of the Beethoven Violin Concerto.

[SusanCalvin]

16. Is the performance you refer to recorded, and have you a link? nt

[pangaia]

27. Well.. interesting you should ask.

I am a bit off topic. but.... bring a little joy to the world...


The Medici recording of the Tchaikovsky International Competition in June that was downloaded to Youtube was there for about a month. THEN I suspect Medici made Youtube delete it.

Here is the entire Final Round performance in a Medici replay.
http://tch15.medici.tv/en/performance/round-round-3-violin-2015-06-30-1800000300-tchaiko

Moscow Phil with Simonov
........................

You can see/hear her play the TCHAIK 3rd movement at the 2nd winners concert here.. THIS is the one where she hits 186mm toward the end.
St. Petersburg with Gergiev and the Marinsky Orchestra.

There are a lot more Youtube videos if you become interested. :&gt ))
And all her performances in Moscow are still on that Medici website.

GO CLARA Time to ROCK 'N Roll !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SusanCalvin]

30. Oh wow.

I can take most classical music or leave it (I am reasonably trained and literate, just not that interested in most of it, especially as most of it sounds so simple compared to jazz), but I now have tears streaming down my face.

It's not the tempo she hit, per se - it's that she is so good, makes it so exciting, and is so glad to be there.

Thank you.

[SusanCalvin]

66. Yeah, that's gratuitous.

You don't get to be a successful surgeon without actual demonstrable skills.

Still, it engendered a good discussion.

[onecaliberal]

2. He told several lies as well. Martha at least pointed that out

[SusanCalvin]

14. Wow! What's the world coming to??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027207671

[onecaliberal]

17. Holy cow. Maybe even these idiots realize

They need to reel in the Frankenstein they've made.

[safeinOhio]

3. A brain doctor with brain issues

I, myself have some brain issues. Took a lot of blows to the head and now have dain bamage. But I'd never think of running for the highest office in the land.

It hurts to watch him talk. He shuts his eyes and tries to push the words out.

[spanone]

4. what the f*ck is he talking about....gibberish...SNL doesn't write this good anymore.

how did he get out of the house?

[pangaia]

11. That's what I mean..

If you actually listen to Radditz.. then to him.. there is no connection whatsoever.. It's like taking the subway to Citi Field. If you take the E Train from say MoMA, you GOTTA change to the 7 at Roosevelt.. If you don't make the connection.. you miss the game.

Ben Carson missed more than the game. He doesn't even know how to get a METRO CARD.. the dumb fuck...

[madamesilverspurs]

6. Said it before, will say it again --

Carson speaks exactly the way I do when emerging from the fog of anesthesia. More than a little disconcerting.

[Mz Pip]

9. I don't think he's stupid.

I do believe he suffers from hyper religiosity. It really is a thing. I've know a couple of people like this who are very intelligent but still believe the most antiquated religious nonsense.

I certainly don't understand it but it's real. Carson seems to fit the mold.

[pangaia]

18. So there are different intelligences.

I had dinner the other night with 2 clients,, a jazz vibe player and his wife, who works as a analysis or something for MET LIFE. At dinner their entire side of the conversation was nothing but mental masturbation.. sprinkled with the occasional.. "I am a woman of faith." Faith is very important to us." We believe the lord will provide.

EXCEPT the wife had a reaction to nuts in the cheese and ended up in the ER at 4 am ! Where was the lord then?

Oh, he saved her. I asked her the next day how the ER experience went. "Oh, I am a woman of faith. I wasn't worried at all."

(BTW the vibe player sucks. He moves and feels with his head.)

Ahhhh... my brain is all discombobulated (Is that a word) like a smoke filled niche...

[JI7]

10. he is playing for right wing votes

You think that is done by having an intelligent conversation ?

[pangaia]

21. Do you think so? I can't really tell.

My take is, he believes what he says.. but.... I've been wrong before...

[hfojvt]

15. the video is very choppy

and maybe the audio is too, but nothing jumps out at me as particularly idiotic.

Except the question about a muslim President. Why the fuck are we even talking about that "issue"?

Should we have a Scientologist President? Should we have a President who is a member of the Unification church?

[pangaia]

20. No, definitely not.

No Unification Church or Scientology folks. Nope. Definitely not.
That I will not abide.....by..

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. he's against abortion yet he was happy to experiment on fetuses

[SusanCalvin]

32. Really? Now there's some cognitive dissonance for ya! nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

54. I wonder did he get permission from the parents?

[BlueJazz]

22. I've met people like him. Especially in my field. They can be brilliant in one field yet sorely ..

...lacking in other areas. It's not common (by any means) but it is true.

[Retrograde]

24. I'm not a brain surgeon and not qualified to do on-line diagnoses but

watching him in the debates reminded me of friends who've had mild stokes: the slow, deliberate way of speaking, the looking down, the rambling, etc. He's not the dynamic surgeon he was a decade ago, based on old footage.

[dixiegrrrrl]

39. Which could answer the question of why he "retired" fro being a surgeon.

His speech pattern sounds stilted, to me. I have been trying to figure out why.

[Maraya1969]

40. I was going to say he looked high. But those two could look alike

[Rex]

25. He unglued his scissors and paper from the desk and called it sturgery.

The teacher thought it was cute and gave him a gold star.

[PearliePoo2]

26. This guy is supposed to be brilliant?

After watching him trying to articulate a sentence but not being able to without a pained expression on his face, ummm, no thanks.
I wouldn't let this creep and his scalpel within a hundred yards of me.

[jmowreader]

28. Why, what a wonderful idea!

In fact, I like it so much I think I'll create an edited Bible that takes out all the anti-gay and anti-woman material.

[SusanCalvin]

33. It wouldn't take much to remove the anti-gay.

One single reference, isn't it?

[jmowreader]

42. There are a few

Start by removing the "don't fuck other guys" verse in Leviticus 18 and the "kill anyone you catch fucking other guys" verse in Leviticus 20.

The hard part would be rewriting the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to make it clear the mob at the door of Lot's home didn't want to have group butt sex with the two visiting angels, but that they wanted to kill them just like they killed everyone else who is stupid enough to stray into Sodom.

[SusanCalvin]

46. I bow to your superior knowledge....! nt

[Mosby]

31. surgeons are basically technicians

The really smart doctors go into research (with a PhD usually in addition) or diagnostics.

[SusanCalvin]

34. Bingo. nt

[Maraya1969]

38. When my cousin was in medical school she told me the ones

going for surgery or the surgeons were weird.

I should ask her to clarify what she meant. I bet nurses would know a lot about their personalities.

[SusanCalvin]

47. But I am grateful.

I had the first surgery of my life six months ago, and I am grateful to my body mechanic.

[Paka]

44. Bingo!

Thank you very much for that. It is simply a learned skill set much like a mechanic who fixes your car.

[SusanCalvin]

52. Exactly. GPs need a lot more skills. They should be at the top of the pyramid. nt

[3catwoman3]

35. In my first hospital/bedside nursing job, we had...

...a pediatric heart surgeon who refused to talk with parents. He would have his interns and residents do it because he didn't like talking to family members. I remember thinking, "Too damn bad, bud. If you are the cracking the chest and holding my kid's heart in your hands, you are the one who needs to talk to me, whether you like it or not."

[n2doc]

36. In your guts you know he's nuts n/t

[jmowreader]

43. Be nice. What do you have against Barry Goldwater?

[SusanCalvin]

48. Hey, I had an AuH2O bumper sticker, just like Hillary!

Because I was a geek and thought it was cool. Well, and, I actually liked some of his ideas, as much as one can analyze in one's teens.

Edited to add that I like your sig.

[Maraya1969]

37. I could hardly watch. He has gunk on the sides of his

mouth.

[sharp_stick]

41. He's a genius

and a surgeon. I know a lot of surgeons and they are almost all total egomaniacs and that makes for a great surgeon. They are incredibly smart when it comes to anatomy, physiology and the mechanics of surgery. Many but not all, some are pretty nice, are also pretty much social rejects who can't carry on a conversation with people outside of their area of expertise.

I think Ben Carson is like that, if you wanted to discuss neurology or surgery with him he'd be a fantastic communicator. Get him out of his comfort zone to discuss something that he doesn't know and he turn into a mealy mouthed idiot because he can't believe that someone else could know more than him so he starts spouting bullshit.

[pangaia]

45. What makes him a 'genius,' whatever that really is?

I know what you mean by the rest of what you say. In fact many people are good at one thing but not something else. But this guy is just... freakin' nuts !

[sharp_stick]

51. What he does as a surgeon

is incredibly complex and it requires someone that understands more about the workings of the human body than most of us could ever really comprehend. These people are smart, really really smart.

Surgeons are a special breed, especially neurosurgeons, they work in an area of the body where even a slight miscalculation will mean death for the patient. They have to have a really well developed ego to think that they can do it, I think that also draws in sociopaths who do it not so much for the patient but for themselves. It's a rush and it feeds the massive ego.

It doesn't mean that he's not freakin' nuts because he is. He's brilliant but oh yeah he's freakin' nuts. Fortunately I don't think he'll ever be President because that would be catastrophic for the country. He knows shit about foreign policy or economics or anything else that a President has to know.

[SusanCalvin]

53. Except for the death part,

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that also describes my massage therapist (Thai). Except I'd nominate her for President, or at least that she run for local office.

Oh, and she's not nuts.

[Retrograde]

65. He has some legitimate cred as a neurosurgeon

He's led several teams that separated craniopagus [joined at the head] conjoined twins. Not all of the operations were 100% successful, but it's still an accomplishment.

Still doesn't mean he'd be a good president.

[pangaia]

67. Yes, of course.

He was a good surgeon.

And....what?

---Not aimed at you. :&gt )))

The guy is a bigoted, ignorant fool with no concept of logic, history, the human condition.. nothing...

[jmowreader]

49. I had to stop watching after a minute or so

When he said that people should "subjugate their religious beliefs to our Constitution," I stopped it. If the person was a Christian, his or her religious beliefs would trump the Constitution.

[pangaia]

50. Really?

[SusanCalvin]

55. Uh, not in this country.

At least according to the Constitution.

Of course, it depends on which sphere you are talking about. Government - uh uh, no, no, no!!!!

Edited to add links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Religious_Test_Clause
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

[SusanCalvin]

58. Hey, wait, he said that?

I may like him after all. Um, at least on that point. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. End of story. Period.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. There are all kinds of intelligence.

There are all kinds of intelligence.

And a person isn't sniffing med school without an I Q south of at least 140.


When it comes to politics physicians are a mixed bag. I have met conservative ones and I have met liberal ones.

[SusanCalvin]

57. Completely agree.

But I must say that I don't have a whole lot of faith in IQ tests for practical purposes. There's more to success than that, assuming you have the minimum tools necessary to function in the world.

Still, getting through med school and being a successful surgeon is not a mean feat, and I'm grateful on behalf of his patients.

Doesn't mean I want him to be president.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I don't want him to be president either, of course.

Medicine is a hard science. I don't believe you can bluff your way nor "socially graduate" from medical school. If you read Dr. Carson's history he started out as a conventional Democrat.

[SusanCalvin]

60. Really?!

I did not know that. I wonder what changed.

I love things you can't bluff your way through (surgery being an example). No, I don't think he's stupid, at least with regard to his profession.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. Here

5. He's a popular figure among conservative activists: His up-close-and-personal criticism of the president won Carson plaudits among the GOP base and he has been a consistent and popular speaker on the circuit of Republican confabs and cattle calls. He was popular enough that a "National Draft Ben Carson for President" political action committee brought in $13.5 million dollars (by comparison, the "Ready for Hillary" PAC netted $12.9 million).

Interestingly, he isn't a lifelong Republican. Carson has described himself as a "rabid" Democrat when he started at Yale because of what he had always heard about Republicans as a child in Detroit. He began to change his views when he started listening to Ronald Reagan - but it wasn't necessarily enough to keep him loyal to the Republican Party (he claims to have been turned off by unfaithful Republicans impeaching former President Bill Clinton for the Monica Lewinsky affair in the 1990s). At the time of the National Prayer Breakfast speech in 2013, he was actually registered as an independent.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/five-things-to-know-about-ben-carson/

[SusanCalvin]

64. Very interesting, thanks.

Is there any way to get that Bravenak pic for avatar or sig if you're not a star member? (Not that I object to paying money; I object to letting admin know who I am.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I think you can just copy and paste my Bravenak pic.

Shame Dr. Carson lost his way.

[awoke_in_2003]

70. "I wonder what changed"

He got rich

[LiberalElite]

61. Hmm

"....when you have something that is against the rights of women, against the rights of gays, subjugates other religions, and a host of things that are not compatible with our Constitution..." This could describe another form of a religion besides Islam....- fundamentalist Christianity.

[pangaia]

63. Funny he never considered that.

Actually not funny at all.

The guy is missing some coffee beans in his grinder.

[underpants]

68. In his world of devide and conquer he needs to look up the Sunni element

Just saying