Some info on the mother of the baby used in one of the Planned Parenthood videos.

[vankuria]

I've been doing some investigating around the internet and found the mom who gave birth to the premature baby who by her own description lived only a few minutes after birth. Normally I wouldn't want to share this type of information but the mom by her own admission is in on the scam that has been spreading and now may shut down Planned Parenthood centers across the country. The mom's name is Lexi Oliver Fretz and she is a pro lifer. She has a facebook page where she admits giving permission to the Center for Medical Progress to use her son's photo and while she knows the photo is being used deceptively, she is okay with this because as she puts it, "the reason is to save the lives of the unborn". She also admits to giving Carly Fiorina permission to use her son's photo in her fight for the unborn".

[yeoman6987]

1. So are you saying there is a video?

And Carley has said there's a video but many say there isn't? Which is it?

[vankuria]

2. There is a video

but absolutely not what Carly described and took place in a hospital, not a PP, the baby in question was from a premature birth at 19 weeks, and lived only a few minutes. No abortion took place. The video clip was first obtained by the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform and later used by the Center for Medical Progress, PP had nothing to do with the video.

[Warpy]

3. There is a photo of her baby at the end of one of their videos

She says she didn't give permission for it to be used, that she knows they lifted it illegally, but that she isn't going to do anything about it. Yes, she is a religious zealot, herself. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/08/20/3693340/planned-parenthood-video-photos/

What matters here is that it was an extremely premature normal delivery of a non viable fetus.

It was not an aborted fetus.

CMP needs to be sued into a cardboard box under a bridge for slander.

[vankuria]

5. I think the mom needs to be exposed

she allowed this, even gave Carly permission to use it, knowing it would be used deceptively. Her facebook page exposes the whole scam and while I can sympathize with the tragic loss of her baby, to allow his image to be used this way is sick.

[Warpy]

6. She's a religious nut, herself, so she just doesn't see it this way

I think she needed to be exposed, too, to tell people just what the circumstances of that photo actually were.

Because she's a religious zealot, she honestly thinks she's going to give her dead baby's life meaning by allowing liars to use his image.

Religious doublethink like this is always sick.

[vankuria]

8. She needs to be called on it!

While she's so religious, she's allowing the death of her baby to be part of a huge lie. And sadly this lie could hurt millions of women who depend on services from Planned Parenthood. I know she'll admit to nothing, just like that dope in Kentucky, but it will expose Carly for the liar she is.

[starroute]

11. Ain't it great how these religious folks love to bear false witness?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_bear_false_witness_against_thy_neighbour

The Hebrew Bible contains a number prohibitions of false witness, lying, spreading false reports, etc. A charge was established only on the evidence of two or three witnesses. In cases where false testimony was suspected, the judges were to make a thorough investigation, and if false testimony were proven, the false witness was to receive the punishment he had intended to bring on the person falsely accused. For example, since murder was a capital crime, giving false testimony in a murder case was subject to the death penalty. Those eager to receive or listen to false testimony were also subject to punishment.

False witness is among the six things God hates, king Solomon says. False testimony is among the things that defile a person, Jesus says.

[jmowreader]

13. Not only that...

the mother also needs to be named as a co-defendant in the $(every cent this anti-abortion group has, plus one just to be sure we got it all) lawsuit Planned Parenthood needs to file, tout suite.

[LongTomH]

14. Thanks for the link!

[tammywammy]

4. She said they didn't ask permission to use the photos in whatever video

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/09/clearing-up-carlys-confusion.html?m=1

[vankuria]

7. Here's a link

https://www.facebook.com/lexifretz

[tammywammy]

9. Ahh, so she changed her story. n/t

[vankuria]

10. She's a nut case

and has to be insane to allow her babies image to be used in such a horrible way.

[mountain grammy]

12. This is really sick..

this woman is sick.

[tomm2thumbs]

15. kicking thread

[OldRedneck]

16. Three stories about this

http://fusion.net/story/186807/the-latest-anti-planned-parenthood-video-uses-an-unrelated-photo-of-a-stillborn-infant

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/our-son-lived-only-minutes-after-birth-but-has-touched-thousands

https://f2photographybylexi.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/walter-joshua-fretz/

So -- she gave birth to a 19-week infant that did not survive. No 19-week fetus/infant can survive outside the womb. She allowed video and photos to be taken of the dead infant, including a photo of her daughter holding the little girl's "dead brother." She then allowed the video and photos to be used to slam Planned Parenthood.

The words "sick" and "evil" are not adequate to describe this woman. She's a deranged Jesus freak.

Can you imagine the nightmares the little girl will have??

[vankuria]

19. Thank-you for the links

[SheilaT]

17. Thanks for the information.

There is a word of difference between a baby born so prematurely it cannot possibly live, and an abortion. No matter where you stand on the abortion continuum.

I can understand a woman saying she would never have an abortion under any circumstances. That's the whole point of choice. Some women will choose one thing, others another under the exact same conditions.

A personal example. When I was pregnant with my second child, in my late 30's, I declined testing for Down Syndrome. My ob-gyn was surprised, as was my mother. My husband didn't really express an opinion. I felt that having a child with Down Syndrome was not the end of the world, and I could deal with such a child. As it happens, my son was born without that, completely normal.

If anyone reading this would make a different choice under identical circumstances, THAT IS WHAT CHOICE IS ALL ABOUT.

Another related example. Some years back I knew a woman whose first child died from Tay-Sachs. I knew her because her second child was in my oldest son's class. She was understandably very protective of that child. I cannot recall if she indicated to me if she'd have aborted a second pregnancy, and the child tested for Tay-Sachs, but that's not the point. My husband is Ashkenazi Jew, which means he has a high likelihood of carrying that gene. When I was pregnant with our first, I insisted he be tested for that gene. He was rather offended, but I told him that had I married an African American, I'd have him tested for the sickle cell trait. And if either (one hypothetical) partner tested positive, then I'd have myself tested for that trait. In any case, my Jewish husband did not test positive, and all was well.

Again, others would choose differently, and again, THAT IS WHAT CHOICE IS ALL ABOUT.

[vankuria]

18. You're welcome Sheila T.

I agree, this is what choice is all about. The photos in question were not about choice, abortion or even Planned Parenthood and need to be exposed for what they really are, a premature birth where the fetus couldn't survive outside the womb.

I also applaud your choice, thank-you for sharing your story!