BORTGHAZI!!--Uh Oh, Lying Liar Carly Fiorina’s Planned Parenthood Lie Just Turned Into A Bigger Lie

[niyad]

(why is nobody discussing the fact that all of this "stock" footage of abortions, births, etc., is actually illegally obtained?)

oh, and my thanks to a poster on wonkette for "bortghazi"

Science facts

Uh Oh, Lying Liar Carly Fiorina’s Planned Parenthood Lie Just Turned Into A Bigger Lie


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Maybe the demon sheep did it


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We are not a doctor, or even a scientist, but anonymous lady person on the Twitters says she is, and she does a whole lot of doctorsplaining about how the video of an aborted fetus is in no way a video of an aborted fetus. And she is not the only doctor doing doctorsplaining about how this video of an abortion is in no way a video of an abortion. Tell us the reasons, Dr. Jen Gunter:

Here are all the issues with the video from start to finish:
It is illegally and clandestinely shot. I feel very badly for the poor woman in question and wonder why Fiorina and our elected officials are not as outraged as I am about her violation and exploitation. I had second thoughts about watching it myself given the lack of consent from the woman, however, I felt if I could end the conversation about it faster by weighing in. Time magazine or Slate have links.
The prep of the patient. The physician (I’m assuming) pours surgical prep/cleaner on the woman’s perineum. We don’t do that anymore for spontaneous deliveries or for abortions that involve induction of labor. This tells me this video is at least 15 years old or from another country.
The delivery. It is a spontaneous delivery as the operator waits for the fetus to be expelled. This is what we do with a previable premature delivery. If this were shot mid way through a 2nd trimester abortion (meaning the Laminaria in the cervix, which are osmotic sticks that help the cervix dilate, had just been removed) it is highly unlikely the operator would have waited for a spontaneous expulsion.
The cord is clamped on the fetal side. If this were an abortion it would just be cut. Really. No one ever does this with an abortion as it serves no purpose.
Waiting for the placenta. The clamp is left on the placental end and at the end of the video the placenta still hasn’t delivered. If this were an abortion the placenta would be removed with suction immediately, no one would wait 11 minutes. Ever. Every abortion clinic has a suction machine.
There is no proof this video is in a Planned Parenthood clinic never mind in the United States. This could easily be an operating room.

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[n2doc]

1. First point- The woman who was the mother in the video is just fine with all the lying

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027213927

Din't feel sorry for her.

[niyad]

2. oh, I don't feel sorry for her at all. but the fact remains, that that footage was illegally

obtained, and there appear to be no consequences (just as there are no consequences for gov't employees in motor vehicle departments, etc., illegally releasing information on license plates, etc.)

[n2doc]

3. If she gave her ok, how do we know it was/still is illegal? n/t

[niyad]

4. apparently she is okay with it now. nowhere does it say she approved it at the time. and I

was referring to ALL the footage that these woman-hating gestational slavers claim are feti, not just this video. one of the groups that pickets our PP has pics that are supposedly of aborted feti, and I asked how they were obtained, since they are illegal, and the people who took those supposed pics (hey, I can do photoshop too!) were breaking the law. dead silence

[starroute]

6. I think that is a different woman with a different premature birth

It's getting hard to keep track -- but I'm pretty sure that one doesn't include graphic footage of the delivery.

[Ms. Toad]

20. Not the same woman.

The woman in the video is not white. The consenting mom is. The age of the infant in the video is a week or two younger than the one in the still photos (used with the belated consent of the mother). The umbilical cord of the infant in the video is clamped with a hemostat. The infant in the stills is clamped with a yellow plastic clip.

Not to mention that the callous treatment of the (still living) infant is not something that a hospital offering bereavement photography (or a mom who used it) would have tolerated. I have no idea where the video was created, but I am appalled at how the premature, still alive, infant was treated. A hospital offering bereavement services would have treated the infant (and mother) more respectfully in its dying moments. They would have presented the child to the mother to hold and comfort - not dumped it in a specimen bowl, moved it around using the umbilical cord, and prodded it with instruments.

Even if the mother chose to induce labor as a means to terminate her pregnancy or not, until death the infant would be treated respectfully until death actually occurred. I have watched the video (and have been around a number of premature births at this gestational age), so I am basing my observations on personal experience. The child was still alive after it was dumped into the specimen bowl, moved around by its umbilical cord, and poked with instruments.

I have no experience to distinguish between an abortion via induced premature labor or a naturally occurring premature birth. Either way, that facility should be out of business.

That said to assert that that video represents what happens in Planned Parenthood, without proof - especially after well documented similar lies about the same incident - is equally appalling for very different reasons.

[eShirl]

5. relieved that we finally have an alternative suffix to " -gate"

" -ghazi"

[Omaha Steve]

7. Carly has a secret...

She is pure

[hotrod0808]

8. Here's the thing:

Nobody in the press cares. Not a single news outlet is gonna report this side because it doesn't deal in sensationalism. It deals with facts. Plus, the knee-jerk reactionaries have already made their minds up that this is a Planned Parenthood video and nothing will change that for them. Confirmation bias is what Right-wing "journalism" is all about.

[floriduck]

9. When I loo at Carly's picture,

I see a snake. And I don't like snakes.

[DhhD]

11. For those RW Funnies out there Carly is the picture of Eve deceiving Adam about the fruit/fetus

and the family of Adam is eating up the lie and hiding from God when he asked Adam what he has done. It is akin to the First Great Sin, learning to deceive and continuing to deceive, taught by the Great Satan-the GOP.

[sdfernando]

13. When I see her face I want to go to the loo!

[niyad]

17. please do not insult snakes. some of them are beautiful, and they serve many purposes, unlike carly

the full-time liar.

[wolfie001]

10. Can botox seep into the brain?

I mean, if she sneezes too hard maybe some might migrate to a part of the brain where critical thought is "supposed" to occur? She's quite hideous....personality-wise.

[angrychair]

12. Carly's my hero

Man, she has made it so so much easier to find the baby parts a person may need for the special experiments in their basement lab.
Now we all know we can just knock on the back door of our local PP and get all we need. If only it were online or at Costco or something....hmmmm...Halloween is almost here...



Fucking rethugs are proving, yet again, that only their sick ass minds can dwell on crazy shit like this...

[niyad]

18. you have opened up a whole new world of entrepeneurship here. when is your IPO being released?

[Angry Dragon]

14. she has almost Bachmann eyes

[IcyPeas]

15. she has dug a hole so deep she just can't get out now

[niyad]

19. it's easy. alll she has to do is claim she was under the influence of some powerful drug or some

such that made her hallucinate.

[tishaLA]

16. Is there an over/under on how many posts in this thread will be about her appearance?