Guns don't kill people, Americans with guns kill people.

[Bubzer]

Australian gun control group calling for boycott of U.S. until we get our act together

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/05/1427926/-Australian-gun-control-group-calling-for-boycott-of-U-S-until-we-get-our-act-together?detail=facebook

[Shandris]

1. It was an American who shot two people in Straya the other day?

I hadn't heard who it was, just that it happened.

[Dont call me Shirley]

2. Australians can pinpoint the gun problem in the U.S. Why can't the U.S. Legislature....

[Thinkingabout]

3. It is all about gun sales, follow the money, follow the manufactures, NRA used to be for safety, now

Gun sales. Look to those NRA assists, you can tell by their voting.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

4. If Australian gun control is so effective why aren't Australian gun control groups obsolete?

[Bubzer]

8. Because greed is persistent.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. Yeah, those Controllers do look kind of greedy with their nuisance lawsuits.

[Bubzer]

30. Yeah, all that money in fighting against guns is staggeringly... non existant.

The gun lobby and those they represent have been bilking billions out of the public on the notion of a perpetual cold-war against other gun owners for ages. It's long passed time for that greed to end.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

31. Controllers outspent RKBA advocates 6:1 in Colorado and lost (and are still losing).

[Bubzer]

35. And I supose you think that's representative of the collective anti-gun groups vs pro gun groups?

If so, you'd be woefully mistaken.

It has been known to pour hundreds of thousands of dollars into a single congressional race. According to Lee Drutman, of the Sunlight Foundation, during the last election cycle, the NRA spent more than $24 million. “The money on one side is enormous. The money on the other side is tiny.”

In contrast, Drutman says, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence -- the largest gun control organization -- spent just $5,816 during the election. Total.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/gun-lobby-outspends-gun-control-advocates

Political spending by gun rights groups far outweighs that by gun control groups.

At this link, you can see a David and Goliath comparison of the biggest gun-control advocate and the big-moneyed interests such as the NRA that overshadow it. The gun-lobby wants you to keep indulging your fear, and to keep buying your death machines. Profit off of cold-war style fear, and from the death and suffering of others. Real nice groups.

http://www.propublica.org/article/by-the-numbers-comparing-spending-by-gun-rights-and-gun-control-interest-gr

[Nuclear Unicorn]

36. At least you get to brag you have a GOP billioinaire with armed mercenaries on your side.

[Bubzer]

37. Uh, excuse me, but you're the one who painted the pro-regulation group as greedy.

That puts you with the "GOP billioinaire with armed mercenaries ", not me.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

38. Oh no. Bloomberg and his racist gun control policies are all yours.

[Bubzer]

39. Racist gun control? You think Gun control is racist? Really? And where did Bloomberg come into this?

I certainly didn't mention Bloomberg... but you inject him/her/it into the conversation?
I think you're projecting, and I find you to be very wrong on this issue.

Regardless, I'll not waste my time on someone aligned with the NRA. I have no tolerance for the racism they perpetuate, nor their allies. Consider yourself blocked.

[EX500rider]

5. Are they boycotting all the countries that are more dangerous then the US too?

That is, all the countries to the right of the US on this graph?

[BarbaRosa]

6. Any chance of a link?

Even with my glasses it's bit small for me to read.

[EX500rider]

16. Sure-link here:

http://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/

[BarbaRosa]

20. Thanks.

on edit: it's still kinda small to read

[EX500rider]

18. And also see here:

(but not in a graph-go down to the rate chart and click on rate to stack them by rate)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[BarbaRosa]

21. Ah, that's easier to understand.

Thanks again.

[Bubzer]

9. I'm gonna guess the vast majority of those aren't major allies.

Can't tell for sure...the print is too small.

[Kang Colby]

13. Interesting graph.

It's also important to note that the U.S. does not lead the world in "rampage killings".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

[Orrex]

14. How many of those are economically dominant military superpowers?

How many, in other words, have the deck completely stacked in their favor yet still crank out tens of thousands of gun deaths annually?

[EX500rider]

17. Well since their is only one "economically dominant military superpower"...

....I'd say none.
Is that relevant somehow to homicide rates?

[Orrex]

19. Obviously it is.

As arguably the most powerful nation on earth, and as a dominant economic power, you'd think that we could get our shit together enough, somehow, to stop tens of thousands of gun deaths annually. Other nations with fewer advantages, or with weaker economies, or with less global dominance, have managed it quite handily.

Why are we so fucked up when it comes to guns?

[GGJohn]

7. Well, it's their right to attempt to boycott the US,

but like most boycott's, it'll probably be ineffective.

[Kang Colby]

10. Or it could backfire...

Americans stop buying didgeridoos.

[GGJohn]

11. Yep, there's that too.

BTW, a belated welcome to DU.

[Kang Colby]

34. Thanks GGJohn

I've been here 5 years, just rarely posted.

[KamaAina]

32. And Vegemite.

[LanternWaste]

25. Many boycotts are rather effective should we choose to see.

"like most boycott's, it'll probably be ineffective..."

No doubt, you'll provide objective sources to illustrate your allegation, yes? Many boycotts have been quite effective in recent commercial history (should we choose to see them rather than rationalize or deny otherwise)

As Nestle, Fruit of the Loom, Kimberly-Clark, De Beers, Apartheid, Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Staples, Mitsubishi, Good Energy, being but a small portion of companies who were compelled to change policy or practice due to successful boycotts in the recent past seem to indicate otherwise.

[GGJohn]

40. Co,mpanies, yes, Contries, not so much.

Although it was effective against S. Africa, but for the most part, boycotts against countries themselves are ineffective.

[beevul]

15. Most Americans with guns don't...

Most Americans with guns don't kill people. 99.9x percent of them, in fact.

[bigwillq]

24. .....

[Eleanors38]

22. wow. time to turn my guns in. save da economy, y'know.

[backscatter712]

23. Guns make killing easy. They have a point-and-shoot interface.

That's part of the big problem. Killing people with other weapons, be they knives or bats, takes a lot more work, and given instinctual resistance people have to being killed, gives you less of a chance of success.

[cascadiance]

27. And too much gun violence has given police a lot more freedom to kill others too...

... before the cell phone made it more visible, so that we'd ignore so many of the excess police violence against our citizens, not just those nut balls going out on shooting rampages. Look at what happened just a couple of days ago here in Oregon right after the Umpqua CC massacre here!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141223431

How many people in the nation and here in Oregon paid attention to that excessive use of force on a citizen here by police? Not much!

[patsimp]

26. There are smart people everywhere - just not enough here

[LittleBlue]

28. OK boycott us

I think we'll be okay lol

[Matariki]

29. What, no more drunk Australian tourists who believe they're charming?

Bring it on.


* I'm just teasing Australia. You're utterly charming. Especially when you're drunk. And you're right, Americans are stoopid crazy about their guns

[clarice]

33. You meant CRIMINALS with guns kill people...right?nt