Just a few of the killers the NRA has enabled with help from Congress

[whereisjustice]

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[krispos42]

1. And the ACLU too!

If only we could have imprisoned them for saying things that we don't like, then those people would still be alive. And if we had more intrusive surveillance, they could have been stopped beforehand.

[Hoyt]

2. It might help if gunners voluntarily gave up some of their lethal weapons, or at least quit

purchasing more of the dang things to add to their collection. Instead, you guys promote more gunz in more places, open markets, stand your ground laws, applaud the Zimmermans of America, support gunz over society, and other junk. And many of you are members of the NRA, that promotes right wing philosophy, not just guns.

[krispos42]

5. You live in a very black and white world.

I see your absolutism as inhibiting broad progressive social change while simultaneously preventing the very goal it aspires to.

Report: Increase In Gun Sales To Be Most Concrete Result Of Obama’s Pro-Gun-Control Speech


NEWS IN BRIEF
October 2, 2015
Vol 51 Issue 39

WASHINGTON—Researchers at the Urban Institute published a study Friday confirming that a sharp increase in gun sales nationwide would be the most concrete result of the impassioned pro-gun-control speech that President Obama delivered following yesterday’s mass shooting in Oregon. “According to our analysis, by far the most tangible impact of the president emotionally urging the nation to consider how their votes can prevent mass shootings like this will be a 17 percent spike in revenue for firearm vendors across the U.S.,” said report co-author Kyle Bieler, who found a direct link between the estimated $58 million uptick in gun sales over the next month and Obama’s use of the phrases “common-sense legislation,” “only advanced country,” and “not enough.” “The portion of the president’s remarks in which he asked for support from state legislatures and governors will, based on our projections, nearly double the number of sidearm purchases this year. Beyond that, the only other material change that is likely to result from Obama calling on elected officials and everyday citizens to work together to reduce gun violence will be the purchase of roughly 100 million rounds of ammunition.” Bieler noted that the president’s support for responsible gun ownership will likely have no impact on sales, as Americans would have likely already walked out of their front door, started their car, and driven to their nearest gun store long before that point in the speech.

http://www.theonion.com/article/report-increase-gun-sales-be-most-concrete-result--51456

[LanternWaste]

6. Do black and white worlds include false equivalencies?

Do black and white worlds also imply false equivalencies predicated on speech and firearms?

[Hoyt]

9. Funny choice of words, since you banned me from the Gungeon for saying too many gunners arm up

for racial reasons.

I can't help it if gunners look for any excuse to buy another gun, especially if Obama criticizes their sick hobby.

[krispos42]

10. You called DUers Klansmen.

And I invite the readers to compare the Gungeon's banned list to GCRA.

You keep hoping for some kind of sea change in attitudes, but you can't achieve that by being noxious.

[Hoyt]

11. Like inveterate gunners are going to change.

[GGJohn]

14. It might help if people like you quit stigmatizing firearm owners. eom.

[Hoyt]

18. Not until they do the right thing, and give them up and stop shilling for lethal weapons

manufacturers.

[beevul]

21. As a self admitted former robber, your view of 'the right thing' is highly suspect. N/T

[Hoyt]

23. As a self-admitted gun toter, I doubt you will ever do the right thing with your gunz.

[beevul]

24. How many times have I told you hoyt. I don't carry a gun.

Here, lets have a look:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=40383

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022165452#post12

And that's not even counting if I search the archives.

Do you have memory issues, or do you just not care what insinuations you throw around?

[TeddyR]

29. Hoyt

I'll ask you again (for the third time in the last few days and still waiting an answer) what do you propose that will help curb gun violence but at the same time doesn't infringe on the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms? And as I previously noted, mass shootings and suicides are different issues with different root causes, so what is your proposal to help stop mass shootings and to decrease suicides?

[Eleanors38]

25. Fuck-ups and crims SHOULD give guns up. I won't. nm

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. "you guys... applaud the Zimmermans of America... And many of you are members of the NRA"

You're so full of shit it isn't funny. When you make statements like this, which have absolutely no chance of being proven factual, one HAS to assume your only intent is to insult an entire group of DUers and nothing else. For that reason alone your post should be alerted and hidden. And no; I'm not going to alert it. While it SHOULD be hidden, I'd prefer everyone be required to see it so as to know exactly what you're all about.

Please tell me what voluntarily giving up "some of my lethal weapons", only two of which were purchased by me? Would anyone in the world be safer for there being one less gun in my gun safe? They're behind a lock and key and there they will stay until such time as I need one of them. How does that put anyone's life or safety in jeopardy? Please answer me that.

[Hoyt]

37. Where will they go when you pass on, or the next person?

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. They will go to my Son. He will decide what to do with them after that.

Answer the question for me Hoyt. Who would be safer for my taking a couple of guns out of my safe and turning them in to the authority of your choice and what, exactly, would doing that cause to change that would make them safer?

[Hoyt]

42. Cherokee, we are not just talking one person. Don't be obtuse.

[cherokeeprogressive]

45. Yeah. You'd think I would learn...

Might as well be banging my head on the wall.

How many people, pray tell?

[stone space]

54. Actually, there is support for Zimmerman in the gungeon. That's not even in question.

"you guys... applaud the Zimmermans of America... And many of you are members of the NRA"

You're so full of shit it isn't funny. When you make statements like this, which have absolutely no chance of being proven factual, one HAS to assume your only intent is to insult an entire group of DUers and nothing else. For that reason alone your post should be alerted and hidden.

[GGJohn]

55. And another lie by you.

Nobody is supporting Zimmerman, quit with the false statements.

[stone space]

56. Lots of Zimmerman support in the gungeon.

And you know it, too.

It's a racist cesspool.

[GGJohn]

57. Post a link of support for Zimmerman.

And you have no idea of what I know.
It's a racist cesspool?
Now I know for sure you're lying.
You say you're a calculus teacher?
Aren't teachers supposed to have common sense?
Because you seem to have a serious lack of it.
Or you're being deliberately obtuse.
Personally, I think it's the former, but I will admit I could be wrong and that you're being deliberately obtuse.

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. Oh. Damn. This was posted in the gungeon? I didn't notice that. I thought this was GD.

and I wouldn't piss in zimmerman's mouth if his fucking teeth were on fire. How's THAT for support?

[whereisjustice]

4. If only if gun owners were charged with a felony when their guns were used in a crime, then

there would at least be some justice. Gun owners want their guns but not the responsibility that goes along with stockpiling weapons.

[krispos42]

7. They can be in some circumstances

But not all. And the attitude you have (I think there was an OP on this as well) was why the Protection of Lawful Commerce Act (or whatever it was called) was passed to protect the gun makers from junk lawsuits. There are two other intermediaries (at least) between the gun maker and the gun user, but some people seem to think that the gun maker should be responsible for the criminal use of their products.



I can take a guess as to why.


Anything that improves a gun for self-defense purposes generally also improves a gun for offensive purposes. Making a gun that is very effective (skill of the user being constant) at self-defense shooting also makes it very effective (skill of the user being constant) at murder. By removing self-defense as a reason to own a gun, you can then ban guns that are optimized for self-defense and thus also murder. Hence the lawsuits over it.

[whereisjustice]

3. Added Zimmerman to the mix. These killers have been enabled by Congress and NRA.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. Which law would have prevented these killers from striking?

[Hoyt]

12. Howsabout dads/moms who didn't indoctrinate them into gun culture, restrictive access to gunz,

gunners repenting and encouraging gun abstinence, etc.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. You think you're going to be able to pass a law dictating what parents can or cannot teach their

own children in their own homes?

[Hoyt]

16. Never said that. I was hopeful some gunners would practice good parenting rather than indoctrinatin

their kids into the cess pool of gunz.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. You need a hug, don't you?

[TeddyR]

30. So the problem

Isn't the guns but the parents? Well, I misread you all along. I thought you were blaming inanimate objects for a crime but you are really saying it is the responsibility of the parents of mass murderers.

[Hoyt]

39. Anyone who perpetuates gunz in our society is responsible.

[TeddyR]

59. What does that even mean?

Seriously, what do you mean by "perpetuates gunz"? Is that someone who simply owns guns, sells guns? The criminal on the street, the legal gun owner?

[GGJohn]

15. Are you physically able to answer a question>

You were asked which law would have prevented these shootings?

[Hoyt]

17. The law that says if you have more then 2 gunz you need to see a parole officer twice a month.

If you want to tote, you are automatically banned from owning any gunz.

If one has four gun safes and is proud of it, waterboarding daily would seem a good start.

[GGJohn]

20. Ugh.

Waterboarding is ok with you?
What a vile fucking post, go over to FreeRepublic where this shit belongs.

[beevul]

22. Preserved.

Hoyt (21,474 posts)

17. The law that says if you have more then 2 gunz you need to see a parole officer twice a month.


If you want to tote, you are automatically banned from owning any gunz.

If one has four gun safes and is proud of it, waterboarding daily would seem a good start.

[TeddyR]

31. How would you know if someone has more than 2 guns?

And since the drug dealer or pimp isn't going to admit they have more than 2 guns (or any gun at all) this obviously won't apply to them, and will do nothing to limit the violence associated with the drug trade. Regarding your second point, it sounds like you want to repeal all concealed carry laws? That's just about every state now. Waterboarding - well, you and Cheney can hang out together and talk about the joys of waterboarding innocents. And of course, none of those proposed laws, including your fondness for torture, is going to prevent mass murders or suicides.

[jack_krass]

34. Please don't alert this post

It' shows the depravity, hypocracy, and general moral bankruptcy typical of those who want to "improve society" by takiing away constitutional rights and reducing freedoms.

The irony (lost on this poster I'm sure) are that his "solutions" (more gun laws, or gun bans) will do NOTHING to reduce gun violence (already in steep decline) and would most likely reverse this trend.

[Hoyt]

38. More gunz will definitely do nothing to help.

[GGJohn]

40. You are one sick person if you think that someone who owns firearms should be

waterboarded daily, you need mental help if that's your belief.

Jury, this is in response to this vile post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027238856#post17

Star Member Hoyt (21,487 posts)

17. The law that says if you have more then 2 gunz you need to see a parole officer twice a month.

If you want to tote, you are automatically banned from owning any gunz.

If one has four gun safes and is proud of it, waterboarding daily would seem a good start.

[Hoyt]

43. Do you think having 4 gun safes full of gunz and ammo is a sign of sanity?

[GGJohn]

44. You're the one with mental problems if you believe that firearms owners should be

waterboarded daily just because they own several weapons.

Star Member Hoyt (21,487 posts)

17. The law that says if you have more then 2 gunz you need to see a parole officer twice a month.

If you want to tote, you are automatically banned from owning any gunz.

If one has four gun safes and is proud of it, waterboarding daily would seem a good start.

That's pretty sick, even from you.

[Hoyt]

49. Says a man who is in 1%er when it comes to gun fancying.

[GGJohn]

51. 1%'er?

You wish.
And your advocating the waterboarding of firearm owners is a sign of mental problems, please seek help.

Star Member Hoyt (21,487 posts)

17. The law that says if you have more then 2 gunz you need to see a parole officer twice a month.

If you want to tote, you are automatically banned from owning any gunz.

If one has four gun safes and is proud of it, waterboarding daily would seem a good start.

[sarisataka]

52. If waterboarding daily would seem a good start

what, if any, is the end limit?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

60. WTF

The law that says if you have more then 2 gunz you need to see a parole officer twice a month.

As we all know, those on supervised parole never commit crimes.

If you want to tote, you are automatically banned from owning any gunz.

It's okay to CC as long as you don't own the gun.

If one has four gun safes and is proud of it, waterboarding daily would seem a good start.

And whatever you do don't buy one of those dangerous gun safes, they're killers to be sure.


Good work; there's enough 'ridiculous stuff' here to give me weeks of laughs.

[villager]

26. Don't forget the "let the guns flow" crowd that routinely posts here, too

What's a little "collateral damage" in the face of worship to Lord God Gun?

[Eleanors38]

27. Dig in. Double down.

[stone space]

28. The NRA is America's ISIS. (nt)

[GGJohn]

46. You were asked a question,

Can we get a list of NRA members who have murdered people.
With 5 million of them, there's got to be someone.

Care to answer it?

[stone space]

50. May they rest in peace.

[GGJohn]

53. Why is it you can't give a straight answer without the distraction tactics?

Are you incapable of giving answers without the distraction tactics?
Or is it you don't have an answer so you resort to diversionary tactics?

[jack_krass]

48. Comparing NRA to ISIS

Is stupidity on an almost unimaginable scale. One of the dumbest things I've ever read.

This is what happens when emotion takes the place of logic, clear thinking, and rationality.

[jack_krass]

32. The NRA had nothing to do with any deaths caused by those scum

Blaming the NRA is overly-simplistic, lazy thinking. It absolves one of having to expend any thought deeper than the superficial fear/hate of a tool that some killers use. It also deflects blame away from the murdering scumbags who actually perform the killing.

Finding the real reasons why people want to kill each other and trying to find real useful solutions involves much deeper thinking and is much more challenging. It's just sooooooo much easier and more fun to say FUCK THE NRA!

[whereisjustice]

36. Here comes the NRA - a giant, violent boil on the ass of the world.

[Kang Colby]

47. False.

Considering most of the maniacs pictured in the OP chose to operate in gun free zones; I understand why gun control advocates like blaming the NRA.....it's easier than looking in the mirror.

No, I am not suggesting that lawful concealed carriers can magically stop every mass shooting...however armed defense is a better option than what many of the victims usually have. Many of the people killed by the scumbags in the OP did not even have the option of armed defense thanks to "gun control".