Dementia means never having to say your sorry! (I guess U don't remember "Love Story"?)

[Omaha Steve]

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Most people didn't seem to make the connection. I'm not back, "I'm going where the sun keeps shining through the pouring rain" was all it meant.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066011/taglines

Love Story (1970)
Taglines

Love means never having to say you're sorry



Some people really need help more than I do.




"Everybody's Talkin'"
(originally by Fred Neil)

Everybody's talking at me
I don't hear a word they're saying
Only the echoes of my mind

People stopping, staring
I can't see their faces
Only the shadows of their eyes

I'm going where the sun keeps shining
Through the pouring rain
Going where the weather suits my clothes

Banking off of the northeast winds
Sailing on a summer breeze
And skipping over the ocean like a stone

Wah, wah wah-wah wah
Wah-wah wah-wah, wah wah-wah
Wahhh

I'm going where the sun keeps shining
Through the pouring rain
Going where the weather suits my clothes

Banking off of the northeast winds
Sailing on a summer breeze
And skipping over the ocean like a stone

Everybody's talking at me
Can't hear a word they're saying
Only the echoes of my mind

I won't let you leave my love behind
No, I won't let you leave
Wah, wah
I won't let you leave my love behind

[Major Nikon]

1. Welcome back

[MrMickeysMom]

2. I won't let you Leeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaave...

[malaise]

70. Ditto

[restorefreedom]

3. glad to see you, steve

looking forward to more great posts!

[JackInGreen]

4. You don't effen go anywhere

Kinda need you.

[MindfulOne]

5. .

[FourScore]

6. A perfect post. I will always think you and this post when I hear that song now.

Music is one of the areas people with dementia still connect. A young friend of mine just sang some jazz songs at an old folk's home for people with dementia. I hear it was a beautiful experience for her and the listeners. In the end, not a dry eye in the house.

King Lear, who suffers from "the madness", wakes up and sees his daughter Cordelia:

Lear: Where have I been? Where am I? Fair daylight,
I am mightily abus'd. I should e'en die with pity, To see another thus. I know not what to say.
I will not swear these are my hands. Let's see.
I feel this pin prick. Would I were assur'd
Of my condition!
Cordelia:O, look upon me, Sir. And hold your hands in benediction o'er me.
No, sir, you must not kneel.
Lear: Pray, do not mock me.
I am a very foolish fond old man,
Fourscore and upward, not an hour more nor less; And, to deal plainly,
I fear I am not in my perfect mind.
Methinks I should know you, and know this man;
Yet I am doubtful; for I am mainly ignorant
What place this is; and all the skill I have
remembers not these garments; nor I know not
Where I did lodge last night. Do not laugh at me;
For (as I am a man) I think this lady
To be my child Cordelia.

- William Shakespeare

[cal04]

7. ...

[bettyellen]

8. for posting a pic of Hillary as Hitler? You do owe DU an apology. Not funny.

I am sorry you are sick, but obviously you have very little respect for people here, to joke about it this way.

[zeemike]

9. That is a pretty crappy thing to say IMO.

Vendettas for the love of a politician kind of stinks...IMO.

[bettyellen]

10. I feel for the fact he is ill, but jerking DU around like this- and jokingly using the illness to

excuse not to apologize for what was a very shitty thing to do? Not cool at all.

It's not for the love of "a politician", it's because the people here should not be posting stupid fucking nazi pics of Dem candidates- any of them. Same with calling them c*nts. It's repulsive, and he should be apologizing instead of starting a third meta thread about it.

[zeemike]

11. And you picked this post to deliver your anger.

Your love of a politician seems unnatural to me when you can't let your anger go.

[C Moon]

12. +1,000,000

[bettyellen]

13. well THIS is the OP rubbing all of DU's nose in his Hitler pic post- isn't it?

[bettyellen]

15. I don't "love" any politician. Stupid Hitler pics belong on Reddit and Chan, not at DU.

I feel sorry for anyone who "loves" any politician, LOL. Good luck with that shit!

[Egnever]

46. OH you love Hillary tell the truth

It's ok to love Hillary.

[bettyellen]

58. I have never "loved" a single politician, ever. Impressed occasionally, but usually disappointed...

tis the nature of the beast. There are shitty things about ALL of them.

It will take about three debates to know who I would vote for, IF they are still on the ballot by the time my state rolls around. I guess if I was in a Super Tuesday or earlier state, I might care more.
I hope Dems grow the fuck up and start showing up for mid term elections, because we are FUCKED otherwise, so I don;t put all my eggs in the Presidential basket, I see no "saviors". Sorry to disappoint you. Not hating Hillary doesn't mean you love her. Black and white thinking is for children.

[sheshe2]

68. I am angry too.

Steve disappointed me today. A Hitler pic of Hillary. That was cruel it was ugly an uncalled for.

Steve has a disability, one that will eventually kill him. Yes, I know this.

He in the past was incredibly kind to me and my dad. He knows he is forgetting, he knows he will not remember, that does not mean he needs to be cruel,please stop it Steve.

My dad, was a kind and gentle soul to the end.

Steve. He posted this to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025793010

Please stop it Steve.

[zeemike]

91. Just courious...

Why was that cruel to you?...Why would that be cruel to HRC?

If you see it as cruel then you are way too emotionally involved in politics to be tortured by such a thing...And if HRC is tortured by a depiction like that then she is unfit for office IMO

And the key to understanding it is when you can depict Cruz or Trump or even the Pope any way you want and people just laugh it off as a joke...but gore my ox and you have committed a crime.

[sheshe2]

96. I really need to answer that question for you?

You asked

Just courious...
Why was that cruel to you?...Why would that be cruel to HRC?

If you see it as cruel then you are way too emotionally involved in politics to be tortured by such a thing...And if HRC is tortured by a depiction like that then she is unfit for office IMO

This is a Democratic board, not the cave. We support Democrats here, not compare them to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

If you have no issue with this then it is you that is devoid of humanity.



You need to do some reading about Nazi Germany and it's ethnic cleansing of the people they believed to be subhuman parasites.

Nazism and race

Nazism developed several hypotheses concerning race. The Nazis claimed to scientifically measure a strict hierarchy of human race; the "master race" was said to be the most pure stock of the Aryan race, which was narrowly defined by the Nazis as being identical with the Nordic race, followed by other sub-races of the Aryan race.

At the bottom of this hierarchy were "parasitic" races (of non-"Aryan" origin) or "Untermenschen" ("sub-humans&quot , which were perceived to be dangerous to society. In Nazi literature, the term 'Untermensch' was applied to the Slavs, including Russians, Serbs, and ethnic Poles.[1] Nazi ideology viewed Slavs as an inferior non-Aryan group, who were fit only for extermination and enslavement.[2] About two million non-Jewish Poles were killed by Nazi Germany.[3][4] After the Slavs, lowest of all in the Nazi racial policy were Gypsies and Jews, who were both eventually deemed to be "Lebensunwertes Leben" ("Life unworthy of life&quot and to be exterminated during the Holocaust (see Raul Hilberg's description of the various phases of the Holocaust).[5] Hitler did have people of Jewish ancestry working for him. Coined as Mischling (or 'part-Jews'), they were often employed in the Wehrmacht, although they were not allowed to be soldiers after 1940. One historian, Bryan Mark Rigg has concluded that approximately 150,000 people of Jewish ancestry served in the German military during World War II.[6] One Mischling, Werner Goldberg, was even called "The Ideal German Soldier" by German newspapers.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_race

A racist Utopia


But this goal remained an unrealisable utopian ideal, not least because the 'races' existed only in the fantasy world of the Nazis. The racial homogeneity they desired could only be created negatively, through discrimination, exclusion and eradication - and ultimately by killing those who did not fit into their perfect 'Aryan' society.

These included, on the one hand, members of their own 'Aryan race' who they considered weak or wayward (such as the 'congenitally sick', the 'asocial', and homosexuals), and on the other those who were defined as belonging to 'foreign races'.

snip

As early as August 1939 the regime ordered all 'malformed' children in Germany to be registered. In the years that followed, around 5,000 such children were transferred to special 'children's departments' and murdered. Shortly after the start of World War Two, this programme of so-called 'euthanasia' - dubbed 'T4' - was extended to include adult patients in mental institutions. More than 70,000 patients in psychiatric hospitals were murdered, mostly in gas chambers set up in six special killing centres.

snip


Soon, these German special units began to shoot all Jewish men of military age. Before long, they were systematically shooting women and children as well, thereby 'cleansing' entire regions of Jews. By the end of the year more than half-a-million Jewish civilians had been killed. In the Nazis' eyes, this mass murder was the first step towards an 'ethnic new order' in the conquered 'living space', and its victims were those whom the Nazis ranked lowest in their racial hierarchy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/racial_state_01.shtml

My ancestry, I am a good part German. My mom, always ashamed of what the Nazi's did always said we were German Swiss. She wanted to distance herself from Germany.

I doubt your candidate would approve your message. It is an incredibly painful part of Germany's history.

[zeemike]

99. Yes we are a Democratic board not a Democratic cult.

And you don't need to educate me on the Nazis or Fascism...I know more than most people about it and I had two brothers in WW2.

And my message is one of non acceptance of cult like behavior, which is indicated by an over zealous devotion to the leader...something cults have in common with Fascism.

I did not see the post but I assume it got a hide, and rightfully so, but let it go. There is no need to want to punish him further.
And no need to continue this with me.

[sheshe2]

133. No need to be rude to me.

You asked a question on this board.

The when I answer....you

I did not see the post but I assume it got a hide, and rightfully so, but let it go. There is no need to want to punish him further.
And no need to continue this with me.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

131. Word to the wise

you are letting things get to you too easily.

If you have no issue with this then it is you that is devoid of humanity.

[jalan48]

31. You must have missed the underground newspapers of the 60's.

[cwydro]

55. I agree, and I don't think his behavior has anything to do with illness.

Posting that pic was completely out of line.

I've not decided who my candidate is yet, but pictures like that of any of our candidates have no place here.

[LiberalElite]

81. Apologize?

When may we expect yours? Have some empathy for God's sake.

[rhett o rick]

102. Situations like this expose people's true character. What Steve did was wrong and

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he got the punishment that DU has for such actions. Whether or not you believe he has an illness doesn't really matter. From his posts it's obvious that he is struggling emotionally. This is where we step forward and show empathy. Empathy is what distinguishes us from the neanderthal Republicans. Now maybe he is jerking us around. I am willing to take that chance. I figure if he is, we are not out anything. But if he isn't and we ridicule him, it could be crushing.

While some see situations like this as a time to get past our ideological differences and be good Democrats and show empathy, others see these situations as an opportunity to ridicule, mock or bully someone when they are down. I am not saying you are doing that, but some here clearly are.

on edit: When I posted this I didn't realize you'd gotten a hide in this thread.

[Ms. Toad]

21. I hope neither you, nor a loved one, ever have dementia.

It is a very cruel disease that - in some variations - makes it impossible for those it impacts to understand when they are being appropriate.

So - at times my spouse has very little respect for our daughter. She absolutely incapable of understanding that or changing her behavior. That is the nature of dementia that robs one of executive reasoning. It is a challenge to live with - but she is family.

If someone with dementia is part of your family or community, refusing to accept who they now are is cruel - in the same way ostracizing someone with tourette's syndrome for the vile racial comments they sometimes spew would be cruel.

[uppityperson]

26. If he hadn't also posted a thread stating he was risking a hide, I might think he didn't know

However, with posting that, he did know it was inappropriate.

[Ms. Toad]

30. Knowing something is inappropriate, and being able to exercise impulse control

are also two different things. Both exist in some forms of dementia - and one or neither in other forms of dementia.

Some people with frontotemporal dementia undergo dramatic changes in their personality and become socially inappropriate, impulsive or emotionally indifferent, while others lose the ability to use language.

. . .

Behavioral changes

The most common signs and symptoms of frontotemporal dementia involve extreme changes in behavior and personality. These include:

Increasingly inappropriate actions
Loss of empathy and other interpersonal skills
Lack of judgment and inhibition
Apathy
Repetitive compulsive behavior
A decline in personal hygiene
Changes in eating habits, predominantly overeating
Lack of awareness of thinking or behavioral changes

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/frontotemporal-dementia/basics/definition/con-20023876

[AuntPatsy]

128. I agree, good post

[Skittles]

136. you really don't know how that illness works

let it go

[uppityperson]

137. I wrote that yesterday, pre-edit. I let it go.

Reading time stamps can help.

[bettyellen]

36. Too late, but thank you. Do you believe that Steve does not understand what he is posting?

I don't understand the exact nature of his illness, but it seems to me he was laughing in our faces.
If that is not the cases, then I am sorry, but.... maybe he needs to take a break.

If anyone was posting vile racial comments, I would have to say the same. Being here and being nasty to a whole lot of people- well, it is not going to be a good thing anymore for them and for many many others here. Sorry if this is actually the case, but it seems quite a few are encouraging this outrageous posting, and that makes it even worse.

[Ms. Toad]

41. More likely he is unable to control socially inappropriate behavior.

That is one of the hallmarks of the particular form of dementia Steve has (FTD). It is one of the hardest forms on loved ones because even when there is intellectual understanding of the source of the behavior, it is emotionally hard to understand that someone who is (at least in the earlier stages) so fluent is incapable of refraining from the offensive behavior.

[bettyellen]

43. That would explain the inappropriate anger. But I hope he steps away before he becomes remembered

for spreading nasty Hitler memes and acting out with multiple meta posts. He has always been a good guy, and I hope it doesn't get uglier. It is bizarre the encouragement he is getting here, and if he truly has little impulse control, that makes people here egging him on extra disturbing.

[polly7]

47. He posted ONE inappropriate picture.

Let's not get carried away.

[bettyellen]

50. And three additional OPs related to the "inappropriate" picture, but whatev.

Sadly it is inevitable that this will cause an equally juvenile and repulsive pic of BS to be posted.
Have fun, kids.

[polly7]

52. Too bad. nt.

[MrMickeysMom]

78. Speaking of "have fun"...

Here's a more appropriate place for your awful comments.....

Based on the smell permeating this thread, I'd recommend flushing thrice.

[madfloridian]

49. It's called empathy with a fellow human being.

I wish you were showing more of it right now.

[Ms. Toad]

51. It will get uglier - that is the nature of the illness.

There are a few who are egging him on, but most of what I see is people supporting him in spite of his behavior (and trying to explain it to others who aren't aware of his condition - or perhaps are aware, but still don't appreciate that some of his most offensive behavior is beyond his control).

The question for DU is how to support a beloved member whose behavior is almost certain to become increasingly hard to live with. In my opinion, we fail as a community if we ostracize him for behavior that is beyond his control.

Steve stepping away might be easier for DU, in the same sense that it is easier when people with mental illnesses, or disabilities, are off hiding in the shadows. But encouraging marginalized people to stay away (or out of sight) for our comfort and convenience isn't a value I think DU should subscribe to.

[bettyellen]

53. I appreciate you sharing this, there is a lot to consider.

I don't really want to spend any more time speculating as to his state of mind, but I do appreciate your insights.
Thank you.

[madfloridian]

57. What a powerful statement...thank you.

In my opinion, we fail as a community if we ostracize him for behavior that is beyond his control.

I would like to think it would be done for others of us in similar circumstances.

[Egnever]

66. Well said!

He has been well loved here for many years. It would be a shame for people to forget that based on behavior that is more than likely brought on by his condition.

It is certainly not how I would treat a loved one in a similar condition.

I say let him post whatever the hell he want's he has earned it. I am sure some of it will make me slap my forehead but it is to be expected and DU has been a part of his life for a long time. Taking it away now would be cruel IMHO.

If he wants to step away fine but he should not be shoved out.

[tblue37]

125. THIS! nt

[demmiblue]

95. +1

I also hope he puts the people egging him on on ignore.

It really is a repulsive thing to witness.

[Crunchy Frog]

130. +1000.

We lost a long time family friend to this disease not long ago. It really is that awful, and I would hope that alleged "progressives" would be able to understand that, and take it into account while evaluating the posts of someone afflicted with it, and give the person some leeway.

Asking people to understand, rather than taking offense, is probably too much to ask, though.

[uppityperson]

67. Thank you for your insights. It is difficult.

[madfloridian]

54. Steve is usually one of the kindest people here. Many post worse....

and they don't get called out on it.

There is something lacking in your understanding of people if you think we are encouraging bad behavior.

You need to get some sleep.

[mopinko]

24. very nasty of you.

one post would be one thing, but dragging it on.
jeebus.

[840high]

32. Take your anger somewhere else.

[bettyellen]

40. Angry, who?

Like posting Hitler angry? Wasn't me.

[madfloridian]

44. You should back off. That's just mean.

Learn to read between the lines of what is being said.

Cruelty toward someone just turns me off completely.

Steve is a part of this forum, and we are on his journey with him.

Leave him alone.

[bettyellen]

45. I am sorry - did DU just collectively decide to pretend nasty outbursts are okay?

Has Steve asked to be treated like a missing stair? I honestly thought he would appreciate people being honest with him.
If not, then Steve- I am sorry. Just letting YOU know how I feel.

But if people below are encouraging the nasty outbursts, maybe you ought to scold them, MF.

[madfloridian]

48. It wasn't a nasty outburst. It was a form of apology.

Maybe the best he can do right now.

Is it worth all this hatred during the primary? I wonder.

Good grief, it's ugly around here.

[bettyellen]

56. Not worth all this hatred, nope. Flipping out because of stupid articles posted, name calling,

idiotic pics, nope. I really do not understand those who seem to be thriving on all that.
I'm sorry if I am missing some context. It's been pretty unpleasant. This will probably be the first time in years I do not check in here during or after the debates.

[840high]

59. Shred of empathy would have been

much better from you than being nasty.

[bettyellen]

60. Unfortunately Steve posted some nasty stuff. Too late to pretend that turd didn't happen.

I don't think it is at all ethical for people here to egg him on to post nasty shit like that, as was done below. That seems pretty fucking exploitive to me -if indeed this is a situation where empathy is called for.

[840high]

62. I did not like what he posted but I did

understand the medical condition he's going through. He has my full understanding and love. 'nite peace to us all

[summerschild]

94. Yes. I feel like Steve is part of us.

I can certainly give him time and space to have a less than good day. The Steve we all have known is still there. I've seen him do so many kindnesses and it is his gentle spirit I will always remember.

[pintobean]

74. Speak for yourself.

Nobody appointed you DU spokesperson.

[passiveporcupine]

14. Steve, most of us understand

Glad you are sticking around. And let me say in advance, I suspect you will try to leave again, and it won't be OK with most of us; but what will be OK is that it happened, and why it happened, and that we can talk you out of leaving. Again, it's part and parcel of the emotional roller coaster you are living on. So just be gentle with yourself.

BTW, you might want to run things like that Hillary pic by your wife before posting in the future, because while I understood your point, I think it was the wrong way to go about it.

And if you screw up again? Well hell, we all screw up now and then.

[bettyellen]

38. Good advice- checking in with Marta might be of help.

[No Vested Interest]

65. As I understand it, Marta is employed and may not always be around when Steve posts.

I'm thinking/hoping he could choose one or more trusted compatriots here on DU to act as a filter when his own filter is out of kilter.
We all want Steve to continue - he is a great contributor on various levels as well as a good, big-hearted person.

I objected online to that photo, and let him know. He was still persisting in defending it at that time.
Even though I was aware of his illness, the photo should not have appeared and needed to be taken down.

An apology wouldn't hurt.

Hope all have a good night's sleep and that all is well in the morning.

[uppityperson]

16. No, Steve, it doesn't. You knew you were risking a hide and saying sorry is the right thing to do

I am sorry for your health issues. I am glad you are not leaving DU as you cover Labor very well, and I appreciate all those posts and information.

Saying sorry is the right thing to do, not using your health issue as an excuse for posting something you knew was wrong.

Please consider doing so.

[Live and Learn]

20. Why should Steve do anything different than the rest of DU?

I don't see others apologizing and they don't even have health issues.

[uppityperson]

23. I have apologized when I am wrong. I guess you have missed that.

People I respect are able to say "I am sorry, I was wrong", and Steve is someone who has my respect so I hope he will.

[Live and Learn]

35. Well, I respect him whether he does or not. nt

[Tipperary]

87. I agree with this. It is apparent that he knew he was doing the wrong thing. He used the little

"devil smilies" in that Hillary thread. He knew quite well that it was wrong. Furthermore, this thread makes it clear he knows a apology would be appropriate. I find it sad that he would use his illness as an excuse, and it is clear to me that is exactly what he is doing. I think Bernie Sanders would take a very dim view of stunts such as that vile picture, which was no doubt copied from a right wing site.

[Live and Learn]

17. Hang out with us in the Bernie group for a while.

We all love and appreciate you.

[pinboy3niner]

18. Nice post...Hitler!

[pinboy3niner]

27. P.S. - It's "you're"

Apart from spelling, punctuation also is important: Let's eat kids!" / "Let's eat, kids!"

You're welcome.

[pinboy3niner]

92. My post was friendly and humerous

I'm sorry if you took it as something other than that.

[corkhead]

97. It's "humorous" not "humerous" in your non-apology apology.

[pinboy3niner]

103. If you're reading anything negative about Steve into that, you're flat-out wrong

But thankyou for pointing out my typo. That's a legit criticism. The rest is just misundersanding.

[merrily]

72. Jaysus.

[Flying Squirrel]

75. Aaaaand the obligatory Hitler alert

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:20 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Nice post...Hitler!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7242493

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

OS, a man with dementia got a hide for posting a pic of Hillary hieling. A health man calling OS Hitler should also get a hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:32 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Got to agree with that.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Frivolous alert
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[pinboy3niner]

76. I guess the alerter missed the smiley and the video and the humerous play on the subject

When I want to be mean to somebody (who deserves it) you'll know it. With Omaha Steve it's always good-natured joshing and fun.

[hfojvt]

77. back in the day

that line was a classic lounge joke.

I guess Godwin's razor was a n00b.

[pinboy3niner]

79. I thought it still was current

My mistake.

[hfojvt]

82. I couldn't say

I no longer frequent the lounge.

On the rare times I do these days, it's like saying "I love you" to a canyon that does not echo back.

"No reply at all..."

[pinboy3niner]

84. It wasn't just the Lounge, it was all over GD, too

Sometimes our canyons are a matter of perspective.

Okay, I don't even know what that means.

[merrily]

80. Jury results.

Look at all the great reasons the jurors gave!


Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Got to agree with that.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Frivolous alert
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[AuntPatsy]

129. Another great song ;)

[WillowTree]

19. So very glad you came back.

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Doing the right thing = dementia?

I hope not.

You wanted to call attention to bull@#$%. It worked. Where's the problem?

Sorry you got a hide.

[zappaman]

63. So you approve of the pic of Clinton Seig Heiling?

I'm shocked!

[jalan48]

25. Great to see you back Steve.

We need you on here!

[TDale313]

28. Glad you're back n/t

[Bucky]

29. Your subject line made me think of this video of a president who never apologizes

[pacalo]

33. Damn straight, Steve.

I've got Everybody's Talkin' & two versions of the Midnight Cowboy theme in my iTunes. I was pleasantly surprised by your OP video.

[cpompilo]

34. OS, we're with you 'til the end. Know that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1117&pid=7921


Carol & Kip Humphrey.

[polly7]

42. I'm also glad you're back, Steve.

I look forward to reading your posts every day, especially all the good news animal stories. You're a big part of DU.

[williesgirl]

64. Please don't go. We need you with us.

[mahina]

69. love

[merrily]

73. The man responsible for herding us into giving Bernie over $25K ain't going nowhere. Got that?

Besides, you post way too many great OPs for me to allow you to abandon us.

And I can be very tough!

[mak3cats]

90. +1,000,000,000,000,000... (eom)

[azmom]

105. [phone]

[LiberalElite]

83. YAAAAAAY!

Welcome back!

[NaturalHigh]

85. You don't have to apologize, of course...

but it would be the classy thing to do. You embarrassed yourself with that picture. You should be embarrassed anyway.

[LiberalLoner]

86. Love you, OS.

Jim Gordon played the drums on this song, btw.

Welcome back.

[mnhtnbb]

88. I didn't bite on the original thread--

with the awful pic/caption of Hillary being offered as a trade on removing
another thread about Bernie--because it felt like a symptom of
OS's disease. Being obsessed with a particular idea--to the exclusion of
rational thought--is a symptom of dementia. For those who haven't lived
with someone going through it, it's hard to explain. But if you've seen it
with a loved one, you recognize it.

Glad you are back, OS!

[panader0]

89. K and R for OS!

[roody]

93. Tell me about it! I just moved in with 95 year old dad.

[TBF]

98. Hang in there -

do not let the bast***s get you down.

[Tipperary]

100. Wow, dude, seriously, you might want to step back and give this all a rest.

Love Story? Really? I can not understand why you just do not apologize and move on. This is all silly.

[NaturalHigh]

104. ^^^^^^^What you said.^^^^^^^

I don't even know what Love Story is.

[Tipperary]

107. Well, those of us of a certain age know that it was a sappy movie with Ryan O'Neal and Allie McGraw.

WAY back in the day.

That movie has nothing whatsoever to do with this silly drama.

[merrily]

108. Please see Reply 106.

[Goblinmonger]

101. You know every time you post a "I'm leaving" and then come back

it makes each subsequent goodbye post a little more sad. And not sad in a "I'm sorry you're leaving" kind of way but sad in a "how desperate is this guy" kind of sad.

I have no problems with you and would rather you stay and keep posting. But this drama act is just...sad.

[merrily]

106. Given that you claim you have no problems with him and prefer he stay, why pile on?

Robin Williams, OS's avatar, committed suicide with a diagnosis of dementia. Is it really that important to you to piss on someone battling this?

[Goblinmonger]

111. I realize what he's battling.

I hope he is getting the help he needs. Posting "I'm leaving" posts on DU is not going to get him that help. Posting dozens of them over time is only going to lessen the impact of them. Pointing that out is not pissing on him.

[merrily]

112. Look up the symptoms of the disease.

And, yes, your post did piss on him--and for no apparent reason.

[Goblinmonger]

113. If he wants to have a discussion about the disease, I'll be very supportive.

If he wants to continue to say that he is leaving, and then come back, and then leave, not so much. And does anyone here believe that posting the picture he did is because of the disease? I am no fan of Clinton, but that picture was stupid and offensive. Even if he posted and didn't realize it, once he did realize it, then he should apologize.

[merrily]

114. Again, look up the symptoms of the disease.

You say you know what he is battling, but every other comment you make shows you are clueless about it.

You may as well ask someone who is paralyzed to apologize for not standing to salute the flag.

I hope that, if you ever become that sick, no one is as crappy to you as you are being to him.

[NaturalHigh]

115. Does he get a pass for everything he says or does here then?

[merrily]

117. No, he got a hide. That's not a pass.

[Goblinmonger]

118. So he should get a pass for anything and everything he does?

And I still don't think my posts have been crappy. I've been making a comment about the effect his posting is having. Perhaps, given what you are indicating is a complete inability for him to understand anything about what he types, he may want to spend more time thinking about that before he posts. If his dementia is so advanced that he does not know what he is doing at any point, then he needs to get more help than he is and not spend time posting on DU.

[merrily]

120. He got a hide. That's not a pass. And you just made the crappiest of all your posts on this thread.

Kudos.

Why is it so damn important to you to make another human feel worse than he does?

[Goblinmonger]

123. I know it's not a pass.

But did he post this thread not knowing what he was doing?

If things are that bad, then he needs help. I hope he's getting it. Posting what he is posting here on DU isn't getting him that help.

[Egnever]

134. Holy shit on a stick. There is no help

What he has is terminal. It is a gradual spiral to the end. There is no help.

[Tipperary]

119. He knew what he was doing at the time and afterward. I think it is pretty juvenile the way he

is carrying on and trying to blame everything on the illness.

I think it is obvious that he knew what he was doing from the beginning, what with the little devil smilies and so on. Then to say "dementia means you don't have to say you're sorry." It is clear he understands an apology is in order. I think that all of you sticking up for him are wonderful and your hearts are in the right place. But he is taking advantage of your goodness, and he has behaved badly. I think he knows he has behaved badly. I would respect him if he were to apologize, but as time goes by, I find that more unlikely.

[merrily]

121. And you know that how? Are you his doctor? A pyschiatrist? Do you have an MD?

And I'll ask you the same question I asked the other poster: Why is it so damn important to you to make another human feel worse than he does?

[Tipperary]

122. I do not want him to feel worse. He should feel bad for his conduct. I think he should apologize

for that right wing picture he posted on this website. Other than that, I have no opinion.

It is clear to me that he knew what he was doing from the wording in every thread. No, I do not have an MD. My father suffered from dementia however. I did not comment until I had read each and every word of every thread. He is being silly. Period. Yes, I am a Hillary supporter, but I have close friends (including my sister) who support Sanders. When I told them about this whole silly episode, all they could say was that this person was not in any way representative of Sanders' supporters. I do believe that. I respect the Sanders' supporters on this website and if Sanders was to win the nomination, I would be happy to vote for him. What OS did was ugly and perhaps he should stay out of political discussions in the future if they cause him so much anger.

[magical thyme]

132. no he should not "feel bad for his conduct."

And somebody who has been a member of DU for less than 4 months has some nerve calling out an 11 year member who has contributed greatly to DU and labor unions and animal rescues.

OS got his diagnosis long before you even joined DU. He very nearly left as a result of the diagnosis, and his embarrassment over the first thing he posted that was "off," but we convinced him to stay, knowing full well that sometimes he might post things that are "off."

He has limited time with us. As long as he is with us, he is welcome to stay. And if he writes something "off" we forgive him because we know it is his illness talking, not the OS we've known and loved for years.

He doesn't get a pass, as his hides show. But he doesn't have to say he's sorry because we know. And he is and remains a highly valued member here who has contributed for years. He has done nothing to "feel bad" about.

[emulatorloo]

109. Glad you reconsidered, good to have you back!

[merrily]

110. Yes, some do need help more than you do. You and Marta have always had compassion.

[zappaman]

116. Welcome back!

I hope you spent your time off DU, all 2 hours of it, wisely!

[Stuart G]

124. Thank You for coming back..Loved your posts about the crooked doctors..

[AuntPatsy]

126. Love that song, been a long time, thanx for sharing ;)

[valerief]

127. Ha! He's baaaaaaaack!

[Skittles]

135. WOOT!

oh my gosh, hang in there Steve, those of us who know you are HERE FOR YOU