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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:20 AM Oct 2015

White privilege: Massive shootout/brawl, 9 people killed, no murder-charges.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/definition-white-privilege-nine-people-killed-20-shot-no-murder-charges-everyone
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20151004-of-170-held-after-waco-biker-shooting-all-are-now-out-of-jail-with-none-charged-in-killings.ece

Remember the massive biker-fight in Waco a few months ago?

170 white people involved in a massive shotout and brawl.

9 people dead, 20 hurt.

While being rounded up by police, they were allowed to make phone-calls on their Smartphones.

The charges? "Organized criminal activity." No murder-charges, even though 9 people died. And only 22 have to wear ankle-monitors pre-trial.
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White privilege: Massive shootout/brawl, 9 people killed, no murder-charges. (Original Post) DetlefK Oct 2015 OP
Maybe no murder charges since cops shot most of them. CBGLuthier Oct 2015 #1
I agree with CBGLuthier-There is too much unknown about Twin Peaks TexasProgresive Oct 2015 #2
Yes, everything is about race Democat Oct 2015 #3
Imagine 170 black men engaged in a massive street-fight. DetlefK Oct 2015 #5
Yours is the real point. They could all reach for and use their cell phones. A black man reaching kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #7
There would be 170 dead black men all killed by the police YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #10
I remember hearing about several huge flash mobs Shandris Oct 2015 #11
I hope you are aware that the US-police employs wheeled tanks, machine-guns and snipers. DetlefK Oct 2015 #16
All I know is black folks have been shot/imprisoned for a lot less than this... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #9
Lots of people have been shot/imprisoned for a lot less than this npk Oct 2015 #17
Ummm, no.... there's a disparity, black men are 21 times more likely to be shot by police than white uponit7771 Oct 2015 #19
No more and no less than we must deny it in every conversation in which it is relevant. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #13
So you think 170 black gang members would be treated this good!? tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #18
One of the dumbest things Shaun King has ever written oberliner Oct 2015 #4
The cops have refused to release the ballistics reports. Ask why? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #6
Alternet jumbs the shark yet again....author doesn't seem very bright, should do research snooper2 Oct 2015 #8
Weird example of "white privilege" onenote Oct 2015 #12
Uhm, some of the killed and arrested are brown riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #14
"some"!? What if they're were "some" whites but 95% black? 160 black gang members would NOT uponit7771 Oct 2015 #20
I'm not disputing that riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #22
Yeah... I would not count this particular instance as a white privilege. Glassunion Oct 2015 #15
Has Rachel Dolezal weighed in yet? pintobean Oct 2015 #21

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
1. Maybe no murder charges since cops shot most of them.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:23 AM
Oct 2015

As for white privilege more than a few of these privileged men were allowed to die on the ground while the cops handled them. You are spinning the wrong way on this one.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
2. I agree with CBGLuthier-There is too much unknown about Twin Peaks
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:38 AM
Oct 2015

I'm beginning to think this was a case of cop overreach again. The massive arrest of people and the subsequent sale of confiscated vehicles is absurd. I don't think we will ever learn the truth since it is all cops investigating cops.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
3. Yes, everything is about race
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:00 AM
Oct 2015

And we must bring up "white privilege" in every conversation.

In this case, it appear that the police opened fire on a group of mostly white and Hispanic men. Is being shot at by police part of their "white privilege" as well?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Imagine 170 black men engaged in a massive street-fight.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:51 AM
Oct 2015

How long would it take before the cops show up with wheeled tanks, machine-guns, snipers and helicopters?

Would they be allowed to wait on the curb, make some phone-calls, until they are processed by the cops on-site? Especially when the charge is "organized crime"?

How would the media react to the sight of 170 violent black men?

How would the media react to the fact that people died in that brawl?

How would the media react to the fact that these 170 violent black men are allowed back on our streets pre-trial?
Can you imagine the reactions from Fox News and the GOP?

Care to guess how long this event would be used as a proof for the moral failure of black people in general?



Now:
What do we hear in the national media about those 170 men?
Where is the outrage?
Where is the bluster?
Where is the blaming?
Where are the editorials in every major newspaper?
Why is no politician and no pundit rushing to give his comment about this?

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
7. Yours is the real point. They could all reach for and use their cell phones. A black man reaching
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:15 AM
Oct 2015

for his cell phone would have been shot dead. How do I know this...it has happened on more than one accession. Reaching for a cell phone, a wallet, or registration.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
10. There would be 170 dead black men all killed by the police
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:35 PM
Oct 2015

And all would be called thugs and criminals by the MSM

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
11. I remember hearing about several huge flash mobs
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:39 PM
Oct 2015

I'm not taking a side in the topic itself, but pretending that 170 black men would get the US Army there is stupid when 200+ mobs were a more-than-unique sight in Chiraq.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. All I know is black folks have been shot/imprisoned for a lot less than this...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

If you have an explanation for this disparity I'd love to hear it...

npk

(3,660 posts)
17. Lots of people have been shot/imprisoned for a lot less than this
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:55 AM
Oct 2015

white, black and of all races and ethnicities.

And just for clarification I believe this situation is fucked up and these people are getting off with a slap on the wrist as far as I am concerned.

None of the 170 people initially arrested are still in jail, and only 22 have an ankle monitor on. That means 148 of those arrested are walking around free and face what amounts to civil disobedience charges. Bullshit!

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20151004-of-170-held-after-waco-biker-shooting-all-are-now-out-of-jail-with-none-charged-in-killings.ece

Yes we have no idea how many were killed by the cops, but of course the implication is there that some of the dead bikers could have been killed by the police so there is the threat of lawsuits from families that one must consider. Still IMO manslaughter charges should have been brought, at the very least, against those that were identified by the witnesses at Twin Peaks as being actively involved in the brawl. Wonder if some of the witnesses are to scared to talk or testify.

There is no justice in this case. Nine dead and some of them could have been shot by police, and some of them were shot by people that are going to walk with a slap on the wrist.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
19. Ummm, no.... there's a disparity, black men are 21 times more likely to be shot by police than white
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 06:34 AM
Oct 2015

... counter parts... propublica study.

There's no "all" races to that .... at all

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
13. No more and no less than we must deny it in every conversation in which it is relevant.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:44 PM
Oct 2015

And we must bring up "white privilege" in every conversation.

No more and no less than we must deny it in every conversation in which it is relevant.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. One of the dumbest things Shaun King has ever written
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:04 AM
Oct 2015

Cops shooting a group of white people is not an example of white privilege.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
6. The cops have refused to release the ballistics reports. Ask why?
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:54 AM
Oct 2015

Once you're done race-baiting, that is. We'd hate to interrupt you.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
8. Alternet jumbs the shark yet again....author doesn't seem very bright, should do research
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

Actually, scratch that- Find a job in a different field LOL



(Oh, never mind author is just a random blogger on the intertubes- GOOD CONTENT )

Shaun King
http://www.alternet.org/authors/shaun-king-0


onenote

(42,685 posts)
12. Weird example of "white privilege"
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:42 PM
Oct 2015

Over 170 people (a combination of white and Hispanic) rounded and arrested on a very broad "organized criminal activity" charges. Held for up to three months before being released on bail (and while they've all been released I don't believe the charges have yet been dropped against any of them). Around two dozen are still required to wear ankle bracelets.

The investigation, not surprisingly, is taking a long time -- it was a pretty chaotic situation. The fact that no one has yet been charged with murder doesn't mean no one will (although that's a possibility if the prosecutors don't believe they have evidence that can tie specific fatalities to specific individuals).

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
14. Uhm, some of the killed and arrested are brown
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

The emerging consensus appears to be the cops did the shooting so yeah, no charges would be par for the course.

29/170 killed or injured.

More than 100 arrested...

This article is wrong on several levels. There's plenty of examples of white privilege but not sure this is it.


uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
20. "some"!? What if they're were "some" whites but 95% black? 160 black gang members would NOT
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 06:38 AM
Oct 2015

... be treated like this.

There IS a disparity in how races are treated by the police

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
22. I'm not disputing that
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:40 AM
Oct 2015


The OP has a factual error - "170 white people" isnt correct, not even close.

The police arrested most if not all of them. Shot and wounded a fair percentage. While a black crowd would have been treated "worse", this episode isnt a great example of "white privilege " imo.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
15. Yeah... I would not count this particular instance as a white privilege.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:14 PM
Oct 2015

Police shooting into a crowd of folks, and killing quite a few and injuring even more, isn't really something I'd hold a light up to in regards to privilege.

Remember, you only have the police narrative on this issue. Up until quite recently no one arrested or involved could speak on the issue, as there was a gag order in effect.

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