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pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:28 PM Oct 2015

Ben Carson, future Pres/VP nominee, says armed Jews could have stopped Holocaust


Don't tell me he's too crazy to be their nominee. This time around, the crazies will be running the show.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-suggests-holocaust-jews-armed/story?id=34349693

In Carson's new book “A Perfect Union,” Carson writes that “through a combination of removing guns and disseminating propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.”

On CNN, Carson was asked: "But just to clarify, if there had been no gun control laws in Europe at that time, would 6 million Jews have been slaughtered?"

In response, the candidate suggested that Hitler may not have been as effective in carrying out his plot if the victims were armed.

“I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” Carson said. “I’m tell you there is a reason these dictatorial people take guns first."
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Ben Carson, future Pres/VP nominee, says armed Jews could have stopped Holocaust (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2015 OP
Time for Ben to fall in the pools, I mean Polls. who will replace him? hollysmom Oct 2015 #1
I guess... Mike Nelson Oct 2015 #2
Yeah if Ben had been there he would have said "Hey guys! Let's attack. underpants Oct 2015 #5
No, he would have said, "I believe you want the rabbi." pnwmom Oct 2015 #7
| -€' underpants Oct 2015 #38
Are you sure that isn't from The Onion? KamaAina Oct 2015 #3
does he know there were more then Jews the Nazis targated? irisblue Oct 2015 #4
Full of ignorant comments! mfcorey1 Oct 2015 #6
A cliche' for Ben Carson HassleCat Oct 2015 #8
Ben Carson must be on my brother in laws Facebook feed bklyncowgirl Oct 2015 #9
There is something very wrong with that man. blogslut Oct 2015 #10
Um ... yeah ... sure ... struggle4progress Oct 2015 #11
He is deranged..... Punkingal Oct 2015 #12
Consider the audience he is pandering to underpants Oct 2015 #19
Yes, I know... Punkingal Oct 2015 #25
Oh I am sure lancer78 Oct 2015 #13
You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #14
I predict this may finally be his Waterloo tishaLA Oct 2015 #15
I bet his approval ratings will go even higher. pnwmom Oct 2015 #17
Perhaps, but I don't really think teanuts tishaLA Oct 2015 #20
I think they'll find a way to combine their attitudes pnwmom Oct 2015 #21
Republicans only need Israel SwankyXomb Oct 2015 #23
The more hate, the poll numbers climb. SummerSnow Oct 2015 #36
Guns for everyone, forever in Guns we trust! Rex Oct 2015 #16
PLEASE tell me this is satire....P L E A S E spanone Oct 2015 #18
The Ben Carson MO Mendocino Oct 2015 #22
If England and France forced Hitler to follow arms control laws signed at the ebd of WWI Johonny Oct 2015 #24
Hmm. France was armed. Poland had plenty of guns, as did Czechoslovakia. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #26
And more importantly, they had tanks, ships, airplanes, cannons, and bombs. Not just guns. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #33
Yes, because some pistols and hunting rifles would have accomplished dflprincess Oct 2015 #27
More about the Hitler gun control lie. Ilsa Oct 2015 #28
Your understanding is correct leftynyc Oct 2015 #39
The Next Step In His Trail Of "Logic"........ left on green only Oct 2015 #29
Right cause everyones knows that small arms fire workinclasszero Oct 2015 #30
There are actual gun nuts who think a .50 BMG can go through a tank (only a modified one could MillennialDem Oct 2015 #32
Right. The Russians actually had anti tank rifles workinclasszero Oct 2015 #34
this is a tough one to digest 6chars Oct 2015 #31
Losing the Jewish vote in 3....2....1 SummerSnow Oct 2015 #35
Ben Carson seems to have a limited relationship with reality! Bernblu Oct 2015 #37
I think this clown is probably the most offensive MoonRiver Oct 2015 #40
I am beyond offended by this RockaFowler Oct 2015 #41
This is a common conceit and claim among gun nut shitheads alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #42

underpants

(182,585 posts)
5. Yeah if Ben had been there he would have said "Hey guys! Let's attack.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:50 PM
Oct 2015

They can't kill all of us"

Paraphrasing his statement on what he would have done at Umpqua Community College.

underpants

(182,585 posts)
38. | -€'
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:10 AM
Oct 2015

Ben holding left hand up using right hand to point at someone beside signaling "shoot him"

Very well done pmwmom

irisblue

(32,917 posts)
4. does he know there were more then Jews the Nazis targated?
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:50 PM
Oct 2015

I hope he knows more then 6 million humans died during that time.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
8. A cliche' for Ben Carson
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:02 PM
Oct 2015

When you find yourself deep in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
9. Ben Carson must be on my brother in laws Facebook feed
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:11 PM
Oct 2015

It's a matter of faith in conservative circles and bridges the Christians, the gun nuts & the neocons.

blogslut

(37,981 posts)
10. There is something very wrong with that man.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:14 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know if it's psychological or physiological but whatever it is, it's clinical.

underpants

(182,585 posts)
19. Consider the audience he is pandering to
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:44 PM
Oct 2015

Trust me, he is

They are ruining themselves to get the nomination

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
15. I predict this may finally be his Waterloo
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015

suggesting Jews could have shot their way out of Hitler's hate machine just has to be a bridge too far even for the teanuts.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
17. I bet his approval ratings will go even higher.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:38 PM
Oct 2015

Like Trump's did when he started trumpeting about Mexicans being rapists and murderers.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
20. Perhaps, but I don't really think teanuts
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:48 PM
Oct 2015

will appreciate that kind of comment, Remember: Jews as a concept, like Israel as a concept, are sacrosanct to the party. They hate individual Jews with greater acrimony than anyone else can muster--in fact, their favorite targets are liberal Jews, whether in the guise of Soros or Streisand--but the idea of Jewish victimization (or perhaps a better term is "disempowerment&quot , especially as it relates to the relationship between the Holocaust and Zionism, is totemic to them.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
21. I think they'll find a way to combine their attitudes
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:54 PM
Oct 2015

about Jewish victimization with the thought that they helped contribute to it by not carrying.

But time will tell.

Johonny

(20,817 posts)
24. If England and France forced Hitler to follow arms control laws signed at the ebd of WWI
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:42 PM
Oct 2015

would there have been a holocaust? You hear historians argue that a lot. Because if they had Hitler would not have been able to do much militarily in Europe. Instead the allies laid off enforcing arms control and well... WWII happened. But hey Ben Carson is entitled to display his full stupid. Ben's argument is popular only in NRA fan fiction forums.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
26. Hmm. France was armed. Poland had plenty of guns, as did Czechoslovakia.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:03 PM
Oct 2015

Belgium, Holland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belorus, Ukraine, Russia, Khazakstan, Uzbekistan - they all had guns. America had guns.

But 50 million people still died, because Germany had guns.

What a jerk.

dflprincess

(28,071 posts)
27. Yes, because some pistols and hunting rifles would have accomplished
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:04 PM
Oct 2015

what it took the combined land, sea, and air forces of the Allies nearly 6 years to do.

How did this guy get through high school, much less medical school?

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
28. More about the Hitler gun control lie.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

My understanding was that Jews were prohibited from acquiring firearms.

Carson's comment doesn't hold water.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. Your understanding is correct
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:17 AM
Oct 2015

There was strict gun control under Weimar but hitler loosened those restrictions - except for the Jews. What would have been much more helpful for the Jews (and many other victims) would have been if the Christians of Poland, France, Italy and everywhere else the Germans conquered didn't round up their Jews and hand them to hitler on a silver platter. THAT would have been a lot more helpful than a few armed Jews. Carson's a fucking asshole.

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
29. The Next Step In His Trail Of "Logic"........
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:09 PM
Oct 2015

.........must lead to his realization that if only the African tribes at the beginning of the 18th century had been armed with guns, that he would today be in Africa, and out of our hair.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
30. Right cause everyones knows that small arms fire
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:22 PM
Oct 2015

could stop a Tiger tank in its tracks. SMH

Just keep telling your self....this man is a BRAIN SURGEON!

See what republicanism does to you?



 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
32. There are actual gun nuts who think a .50 BMG can go through a tank (only a modified one could
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:29 PM
Oct 2015

go through a Panzer I and Panzer II with a shot in the rear).

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
34. Right. The Russians actually had anti tank rifles
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:47 PM
Oct 2015

in ww2, don't know what caliber they were.

I think they were only effective against the first panzers.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
31. this is a tough one to digest
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:26 PM
Oct 2015

there are so many ways it doesn't make sense, i don't have time to think of them all. this is stranger than the evolution stuff. when the right wing fundamentalists bring up the holocaust, they seem to show a distinct tone-deafness. huckabee did this not long ago.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
40. I think this clown is probably the most offensive
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:29 AM
Oct 2015

among a car full of obnoxious scum bags. He' perfected the art of stupid to perfection. c

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
41. I am beyond offended by this
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:42 AM
Oct 2015

This man is now calling all of the Jew who were murdered during the Holocaust cowards.

Oh and if I see that horrible meme going around about how Hitler took away guns and see what happened - I'm gonna scream. Read history you moronic fools. Nobody wants your guns. The NRA is lying to you and you fall for it hook line and sinker. What a bunch of fools

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
42. This is a common conceit and claim among gun nut shitheads
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:47 AM
Oct 2015

It is deeply ignorant of the history of the Holocaust, of course, but just as when they make arguments about shootings in American cities, they really don't care about the actual people or ethics involved. They care only about their precious guns. They're disgusting pigs not worthy of conversation.

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