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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 08:57 PM

Israeli Police Under Scrutiny for Shooting Knife-Wielding Assailants (3 videos)

http://observers.france24.com/en/20151014-israeli-police-shootings-knife-stabbings


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Israeli police under scrutiny for shooting knife-wielding assailants

In the last few weeks, Israeli security forces haven't hesitated to use live rounds to take down multiple knife-wielding assailants, with numerous such cases captured on amateur videos and uploaded to social media networks.

When these videos have been published, the Israeli authorities’ response has always been the same: “If the assailant doesn’t obey the police’s orders to drop the knife, they are authorised to shoot him,” says Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld. “And if police officers believe their lives or the lives of civilians are in danger, it is absolutely necessary for them to shoot the attacker, at the risk of killing him.”

So is the use of live ammunition justified? We took a close look at three cases, and asked the opinion of a French security consultant who has worked with the French authorities.

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Reply Israeli Police Under Scrutiny for Shooting Knife-Wielding Assailants (3 videos) (Original post)
Fred Sanders Oct 2015 OP
6chars Oct 2015 #1
Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #2
6chars Oct 2015 #4
Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #5
Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #6
Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #8
Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #9
malaise Oct 2015 #3
Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #7
DustyJoe Oct 2015 #10

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:07 PM

1. maybe we should insist on security guards to help the assailants.

wait, i have an even better idea. how about these terrorists don't go around stabbing innocent people? besides the assailants are thrilled by this because it means they can go to heaven with 72 virgins (not sure what the female terrorists get)

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Response to 6chars (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:11 PM

2. 72 virgins, you say? And Christians only get to go to heaven....not really a fair deal!

Amnesty International, as noted in the article, disagrees with your opinion and strange response.

"Human rights groups like Amnesty International accuse Israeli authorities of using excessive force. In a recent press release, the rights group urged officials to "make public" the rules of engagement for firearms under which the police and army operate, including in East Jerusalem. The NGO also called on Israel to "instruct both police and army personnel to only make use of live rounds, notably .22 calibre, in cases where it is impossible to protect oneself from immediate death or serious injury. Each time force is used it must be done so only when absolutely necessary, used proportionately, and for a legitimate reason in accordance with international law."

Since the beginning of October, stabbing attacks have been targeting Israelis on an almost daily basis. Fears are growing that a third bloody intifada could break out, after the first in 1987 and another in 2000 left thousands dead. Five Israelis and 26 Palestinians - including presumed attackers - have died in the bloodshed of the past two weeks."

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:16 PM

4. i don't buy that argument myself

i don't think the assailants will go to heaven at all, so the 72 virgins thing is a moot point.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:55 PM

5. Yeah, like Heaven is a moot point as well...so why make the reference to the myths at all?

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Response to 6chars (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:59 PM

6. I'm not sure...

Palestinians are a mix of Christians and Muslims. I am not sure we can assume they are all Muslims.

That said in this environment pulling a knife out in occupied Palestine is really suicide by cop. I have no love for terrorists or idiots who choose to waste and their end their lives this way.

In the long run the non violent BDS Movement will be much more effective.

Curious is the 6 char in your username a reference to the six characters in the name I S R A E L or something else?

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:04 PM

8. Palestinians are a mix of Christians and Muslims??? Misdefinition of "mix":

Today, of the roughly 3.9 million Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories, less than two percent are Christians. Of the 1.4 million Palestinians living inside Israel, meanwhile, roughly eight percent belong to Christian communities.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:14 PM

9. Think you answered your own question.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:13 PM

3. Bibi is a war criminal

Start there

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:00 PM

7. While that could be true

It wouldn't really address the issue at hand.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:34 PM

10. Same as here

“If the assailant doesn’t obey the police’s orders to drop the knife, they are authorised to shoot him,”


This is the same for police pretty well world wide, nothing Israel is doing in that instance any different.
US police though do kill a surprising number of people for, holding a comb, cane, cellphone etc anything
in their hands that 'scares' the officer.

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