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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:19 AM Oct 2015

Here’s what we’ve seen after 1 Democratic and 2 Republican debates:

Democrats are deeply committed to fixing climate destruction, fighting wealth inequality, and making sure people are not discriminated against based on superficial (skin color, gender, etc.) reasons. Republicans are Neanderthals who bang stones on the ground to celebrate the sky god and show deep concern that foreign tribes will attack under the glow of the war moon to steal their furs, burn their huts and rape their birthing wives.


from the comments at:
http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2015/10/master-debaters.html
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Here’s what we’ve seen after 1 Democratic and 2 Republican debates: (Original Post) kpete Oct 2015 OP
LOL kydo Oct 2015 #1
opinions vary, history is a better judge Doubledee Oct 2015 #2
I think the problem is that the Democrats in congress believed the pundits when they LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #3
something moved right Doubledee Oct 2015 #6
A few points: Qutzupalotl Oct 2015 #5
Thanks for your opinion Doubledee Oct 2015 #7
Those are facts. Qutzupalotl Oct 2015 #8
well, yes Doubledee Oct 2015 #9
You appear to be projecting Qutzupalotl Oct 2015 #10
sorry Doubledee Oct 2015 #11
When Lieberman is part of your "filibuster-proof majority," you don't really have one. tblue37 Oct 2015 #12
This is exactly why we should be holding a debate EVERY WEEK. bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #4

Doubledee

(137 posts)
2. opinions vary, history is a better judge
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

"Deeply committed democrats" have, in the recent past, had a President in the White House, a majority in the Houses and still nothing has moved forward on those issues you note they stand for. Aside from a very amusing and clever representation of the GOP , one I thoroughly enjoyed reading and chuckling over I remain unpersuaded that either major party is the solution to our myriad problems.

If I have misread history, or arrived at erroneous conclusion I would look forward to a civil response enumerating where I went wrong.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
3. I think the problem is that the Democrats in congress believed the pundits when they
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:54 AM
Oct 2015

said the nation has moved to the right. I have believed the exact opposite. Our congress critters believed that the vocal minority and the people programming the voting machines spoke for the entire nation. Just remember that exit polling had been extremely accurate in all the races (local and national) until Gore vs Bush. It was at that point when for some reason they were incorrect, thus can not ever be used again.

Doubledee

(137 posts)
6. something moved right
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:25 AM
Oct 2015

I think it more a case of the GOP moving radically right and the Democrats rushing to fill the void left by that departure. An unfortunate strategy in my own opinion.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
5. A few points:
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:01 PM
Oct 2015

When Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House, one of the first items on her agenda was to raise the minimum wage. Not by enough (to get working people off public assistance), and we need another increase, but that did start to address wealth inequality.

Obama appointed a “green energy czar” (Van Jones) to address climate change and create green jobs, but the Republicans promptly red-baited him until he withdrew. Congress was mainly focused on healthcare reform during that period. It did not help that Republicans deliberately slow-walked discussions to try to run out the clock on the Democratic majority and to minimize Democratic accomplishments.

There was only a narrow window between the time Norm Coleman conceded and Ted Kennedy died that the Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority. Outside of that window, the minority Republicans essentially had control of the Senate through an unprecedented number of filibusters.

Obama spoke out publicly in favor of gay marriage before the Supreme Court made it legal.

It’s also worth noting that when W. Bush had Republican majorities in the House and Senate, he did nothing about one of his signature issues, abortion, because Rove needed it as a campaign issue to keep our country divided.

Doubledee

(137 posts)
7. Thanks for your opinion
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:27 AM
Oct 2015

Just like real life there are always going to be isolated and rare exceptions to point to, I remain convinced that the overall history shows clearly that democrats are not the answer.

Doubledee

(137 posts)
9. well, yes
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:13 PM
Oct 2015

As do all who post here express opinion only. However closely held, however annotated, however researched we all of us express opinion. I think there is a grave danger in thinking oneself so all knowing as to believe ones own opinion unassailable, unnecessary to constant refreshing with all the facts and events as they occur.

Sorry you appear otherwise.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
10. You appear to be projecting
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:02 PM
Oct 2015

and not clear on the difference between opinion and fact. I presented facts which you summarily dismissed. You then reverted to reasserting your original opinion which you appear unable to support.

tblue37

(65,290 posts)
12. When Lieberman is part of your "filibuster-proof majority," you don't really have one.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:49 AM
Oct 2015

And don't forget the DINO conservadems who vote with Republicans on so many issues.

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