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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLancet, New England Journal: Half of all medical studies are false.
Dr. Horton recently published a statement declaring that a lot of published research is in fact unreliable at best, if not completely false.
The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness. (source)
This is quite disturbing, given the fact that all of these studies (which are industry sponsored) are used to develop drugs/vaccines to supposedly help people, train medical staff, educate medical students and more.
More at link
So yes, I do doubt it when industry sponsored studies claim that GMOs are harmless and this new wonder drug will cure everything that ails you, and coffee is
Meanwhile, legitimate non-drug treatments and prevention are slammed by drug company shills as "fads" or "useless" or "pseudo science". The truth is that a healthy diet and lifestyle does more to prevent diseases such as hypertension and type II diabetes than all the "wonder" drugs being pushed by big pharma. (There are whole regions where hypertension simply does not exist because of their diet and lifestyle. But big pharma doesn't want anyone knowing about that.)
villager
(26,001 posts)Yup....
malaise
(268,930 posts)is the day the conflict started. More than a few departments and academics are sell outs.
villager
(26,001 posts)Their PR-spinning notwithstanding...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a institutional demand that research be "translational", combined with the academic "publish or perish" route to tenure AND the media driven Rock star/Celebrity status granted to "new discoveries."
Rex
(65,616 posts)death, slow death, painful death and slow and painful death.' I am always leery of a drug that is supposed to help, but side effects might include blood gushing out of your ears.
malaise
(268,930 posts)I crack up - who would take that shit?
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)Talk about the cure being worse than the disease...
-- Mal
malaise
(268,930 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Side feects include nausea, upset stomach and uncontrollable diarrhea. I'd much rather have a runny nose than a runny rear end.
malaise
(268,930 posts)Lindsay
(3,276 posts)always adds to those side-effects lists, "Demonic possession."
I find it helpful to remember that one.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)A comedian ought to have a field day poking fun at prescription drug ads running so rampant in all sorts of media.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)... or the half that is not? Dr Horton should try not to undermine his statement that way.
-- Mal
Didn't think about that, I wonder if he did!?
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)studies is 25, 50% or more is not important.
All of them should be viewed with appropriate caution. Just because a profit-making drug company puts out a study in favor of one of its products doesn't mean we should automatically accept it.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)if there's a huge profit incentive involved.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)More woo headed this way soon. This will be posted all over where ever you find advocacy for not vaccinating your children, and miracle cancer cures involving diet.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)"Garbage in, garbage out".
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Great! Rats are cheap. Get a bunch. Make sure they aren't the strains that were bred to develop cancer or other medical problems. You're looking for ye olde standard white lab rat.
Go to an organic farmer, and buy some of his grain. Go to a GMO farmer, and buy some of his grain. And guess what? You just got around the "can't use this for experiments" claim, because you weren't under contract with the GMO company.
Divide the rats into three groups. Feed group 1 the GMO grain. Feed group 2 the organic grain. Feed group 3 standard "rat chow". Document the differences between the groups.
Congratulations, you've now run an experiment that can actually find if GMOs are as dangerous as claimed. And it didn't cost much.
(It's odd that all the scientists trying to show GMOs are dangerous just don't happen to run this simple and cheap experiment, and instead use rats bred to develop cancer, or don't measure GMO vs organic vs "rat chow" to see if the problems are the plant itself, or use tiny sample sizes, or other weird experimental designs)
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)What I doubt is the claim that they absolutely are NOT hazardous.
Of course I also doubt the claim that they absolutely ARE hazardous.
But in the meanwhile, I'll avoid them so that in ten years when they discover that GMOs make your nose fall off, I'll be one of the few people left who still has a nose.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)That's why there is the scientific method. Single studies are not complete science. To be science, the studies must be duplicated. That's why science has been so successful in creating so much of the modern world.
People ignorant of the fact that single studies aren't reliable latch on to the single studies that tell them what they want to hear, such as, vaccines cause autism and glyphosate causes cancer. That's not good science.
bananas
(27,509 posts)For example http://bjoern.brembs.net/2015/06/are-more-retractions-due-to-more-scrutiny/
tl;dr: The data suggest a combination of three factors leading to more retractions in top journals: 1. Worse methodological quality; 2. Higher incidence of fraud 3. Peer-review light. One would intuitively expect increased readership/scrutiny to play some role, but there is currently no evidence for it and some circumstantial evidence against it.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)And nicely-disguised link too.
hunter
(38,310 posts)... especially the big pharmaceutical companies.
Sometimes new expensive medicines are really great, sometimes they are mediocre and not as good as existing generics, sometimes they have serious side effects, and sometimes they are downright dangerous.
But you'd never know it from the people selling it. All their medicines are really great. Medicine in the U.S.A. is extremely polluted by marketing, to both doctors and their patients.