Trump has tied Republican bowels in a knot with 9/11 comments...

[kentuck]

The mainstream media will not tell you but we will tell you right here on DU. The only reason Jeb is defending his brother is because Dubya is more popular than he is in Republican circles and he hopes to capitalize on his brother's "popularity". After all, 45% is better than 6%, which is where Dubya and Jeb sit in the polls. It's desperation time, folks.

Unfortunately, Donald Trump called him on his little ploy. He reminded Jeb that the guy in charge when the terrorists attacked us on September 11th, 2001 was none other than George W Bush. How dare he!

Trump said the unspeakable. If there was one thing that all Republicans knew it was that no one criticized George W Bush's handling of the attack of 9/11. No one would dare to question the role of George W Bush except Donald Trump. No Democrat had the cojones to broach the subject. But Trump did.

It was entertaining to watch Morning Joe and his sycophants attempt to explain this away this morning. Joe said he should just "jab" and move on. Jeb was just falling into Trump's trap, they thought. "Don't defend your brother", Joe advised.

But Jeb was defending his brother because he thought his brother could help him in the polls. In the process, Trump tied he and his Party in knots. Also, he put the mainstream media into the very uncomfortable position of talking about something of which they had no intention.

[orpupilofnature57]

1. I have said in many posts the last three months, It's an All-Star wrestling Tag-in, and that's the

plan from day one . Donald never wanted or expected to be president, it's a ploy to erode the confidence of republicans, and scare them in to Jebs loving arms, and the Donald will be thought of as the crazy uncle everyone loves, and owes.

[kentuck]

2. I think Jeb is reaching the point of desperation...

...and they cannot put the champagne back in the bottle...

[Hortensis]

38. Yes, and the person Jeb is losing his would-be voters to is TED CRUZ,

who has also positioned himself to inherit Trump's.

According to Nate Silver, "The Anointed One" may be loathed by his colleagues, but he's one of the best-liked (!) GOP candidates in the field. He is also the most conservative.

And "The Anointed One" has money. Plenty of it. Among others, a pair of Texas billionaire brothers who want to choose our president for us gave him $15 million because: "Our country was founded on the idea that our rights come from the Creator, not the government. I'm afraid we're losing that." Farris Wilkes, fracking billionaire

[link:http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ted-cruz-ted-cruz-ted-cruz/|

[The_Commonist]

8. Nope. You almost got it right, but not quite...

"Donald never wanted or expected to be president, it's a ploy to erode the confidence of (Americans), and scare them in to HILLARY'S loving arms, and the Donald will be thought of as the crazy uncle everyone loves, and owes."

The Donald LOVES Bill Clinton, and wants him to be the First Gentleman. Bill might be one of the very few people that The Donald actually admires and respects. The Donald wants an invite to stay in the Lincoln Bedroom, and then he and Bill can chomp cigars and laugh while the ladies run the country.

At this point in his life, he's just a bored billionaire, and what the hell!?! Why not help his bro out, and besides it's probably all a tax write-off anyway. And of course, screwing with the rubes is always fun for him, so there's a bonus!

[Hortensis]

32. Trump's almost certainly a diagnosable narcissist, which in those severe

forms literally means a person is unable to think and react as normal people do. He cannot love anyone as normal people do. The notion of putting himself out like this to help elect a friend to a more powerful office would not occur to such a person, even for self-aggrandizement. HE is the center of his world, in which all others are enormously inferior and exist to serve and be used by him. And that's a nice type of narcissist; there are some really mean traits that could also be in play.

[tex-wyo-dem]

49. I've often suspected that...

Trump and the Clintons have something going on behind the scenes to assure Hillary gets elected. I sometimes imagine the Duke brothers from the movie "Trading Places" making that $1 bet just for fun and the hell of it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. third possibility I believe. He is smart enough to know he's got to

neutralize/destroy Jeb - his only competitor (money, power, fame-wise that is - not intellectual capacity). Trump was against the war and hates Jeb too.

I just don't see Trump being that altruistic to be in this only to help someone go to Jeb (HATES) nor Hillary.

Trump is not an idealist - he goes with who he loves and likes - the person - rather than the ideology.

[kentuck]

14. Trump thinks in dollar terms...

He believes that Jeb is the only one in the race with the potential funds to defeat him. That is his focus, in my opinion.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Think we agree, right. Yes, he knows Bush has the resources - but he

also hates the Bushes. And, it is true that Trump opposed the war. It's like a triple whammy.

[tex-wyo-dem]

51. Jeb's war chest is drying up fast...

He made most of it within the first week of him announcing his run, but the donations have dried up to a trickle. He has spent most of his coffers and nothing is coming in fast.

I suspect that the big money boys are holding off until Jeb can prove he can be a viable candidate, and Trump is trying to put that final nail in the coffin.

My guess is Jeb will be out of the race before Thanksgiving.

[orpupilofnature57]

15. It's because he's a megalomaniac, not a nice guy .

[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. Agreed - but I do think there is some element mixed in - that he

likes and dislikes individuals - based on an unknown "something." He strikes me as one of those who either loves you or hates you. He is not a man who espouses mediocrity. something is either the greatest or the worst.

[CTyankee]

3. "down the memory hole Joe" was avoiding the obvious: "Bin Laden determined to strike in

the U.S."

My, my how fast history gets rewritten. "Nobody" thinks Dubya was at fault for 9/11? Really Joe? REALLY?

[Botany]

16. But We have so much doubt about the 8/6/01 PDB

Last edited Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:19 AM - Edit history (1)

Bush on 8/6/01:

After listening to the briefer, Bush reportedly replied, “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.”


3,000 dead on 9/11, 4,862 dead troops in Iraq, 230,000 American vets w/traumatic brain injuries
(from blasts), 2,165 troops dead in Afghanistan (Rummy let bin Laden walk away in the winter of
2001/2002 and if we had killed him then we would not have been bogged down in that war), and
2,000 dead from Katrina ...... so please tell me again how w kept us safe.

[CTyankee]

20. Yeah, heckuva job, Brownie...

[Botany]

52. I helped a neighbor whose son died of brain cancer thanx to the Iraq war

Same thing got Beau Biden too. KBR made 39.5 billion in profits on that war and then left the
US and moved to the UAE in 2007.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/01/22/kbr-iraq-lawsuits-supreme-court/22158399/

Kept us safe ....... R you kidding me?

[napkinz]

24. hey Joe ...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. GOT to tweet this !!!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. @joeNBC...add @morningmika for good measure !

[billhicks76]

77. Bush and Cheney Purposefully Allowed 911

You have to have a huge filter, live in a bubble and have a low IQ to not agree.

[Laf.La.Dem.]

4. The sad but true part of your post - -

"No Democrat had the cojones to broach the subject. But Trump did."

[kentuck]

5. Because...

...they know the corporate media will destroy them if they get too close to the truth.

[uawchild]

13. this ^^^^

well said and so true

[CrispyQ]

55. The corporate media has already destroyed them

because the dems lacked the courage to stand together against them back in the 80s when this shit started. When the media started bashing the word liberal, during Reagan's time, the dems should have fought back, as a whole & said, hell yes we're liberal & here's why & then recited all the points in the Joe Conservative essay. Instead, they were quiet & let the repubs frame the issue & the repubs have framed every issue ever since.

The summer of the health care debate was the same year Remote Area Medical had that big medical event in LA. Even the networks covered it! Where was our great orator president, & the rest of the dems, that summer, while the repubs were going off about death squads? Silent. They should have been out there telling people, "Hey, this is what single payer would look like, only better cuz you can choose your own doctor in your own community." The entire party was silent and Caribou Barbie got free press about how dems want to kill grandma.

The dems have no spine. Well lookie there, there's Harry Reid, the one with the glasses.

[Skittles]

78. LOL that cartoon

[TBF]

40. Sadly this is why people like Trump -

and the reason Bernie is the only one from our side who can take him on. Because he has 20+ years in the Senate and has the balls to get right back in the Donald's face. I don't think there is anyone else we can run who is even close.

[arcane1]

50. And they extended that cowardice to vote for his Iraq invasion. Careers mean more than lives n/t

[Skittles]

79. the people who voted for IWR have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS

and the people who EXCUSE those votes MAKE ME SICK

[tecelote]

6. I'm hoping it opens up more discussion. Discussions about this...

From BigBearJohn's post -http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027267858

---

Smoking gun emails reveal Blair's 'deal in blood' with George Bush over Iraq war was forged a YEAR before the invasion had even started

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html#ixzz3p018QXpU

[Jester Messiah]

7. It's glorious.

I don't want Mr. Trump anywhere nearer the Oval Office than a White House tour, but I thank him for this.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Me 2. BUT..if the media doesn't stop and say, "Hey, he is right.."

then I wonder if it will grow legs.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

34. Then our task is to do it ye olde fashioned way.

Letters to editors, emails to columnists, calls to NPR and others.

[Mira]

18. You spoke what's in my heart

I am delighted the lid to this can of wriggling worms has been cracked. It took courage, and needed to be done.
I don't care what may have been the Donald's reasoning or whom he may want to help - I only care about that one wriggler already almost out of the container, may others follow.

[bahrbearian]

9. When Trump and Hilliary meet in the General, he will use her AUMF Vote

against her too.

[Marr]

10. Yep. Trump will trounce Hillary, I'm sorry to say.

He could actually position himself to Hillary's LEFT on this issue. It's crazy.

He'd be a dream opponent for Sanders, however-- basically a cartoon caricature of everything Sanders talks about.

[daleanime]

17. True....

[bahrbearian]

21. I can see him in the debate's with Hilliary now,

Her Hawkish record will be unfolded to the country. Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria....

[KingCharlemagne]

37. when Sanders meets Trump in the GE, Sanders will

Wipe the floor with him. (Sanders defeats Trump 52-36 in a recent poll I saw,)

[TBF]

42. Yup. As I said in another post -

Bernie is the only one who has the cajones to get in Donald's face right back - and he has his solid record of 20+ years in the Congress (experience governing) and no votes out there to embarrass him. The best anyone can come up with is that he's not tough enough on guns. Believe me, in most of America that is a selling point. He can win back Reagan dems. Currently many of them are for Trump because they like that he doesn't take shit. Well, Bernie doesn't either & he's better for them economically. We can win this with Bernie.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. The Omen and a nightmare on Elm street

Plus more Donald Trump photoshopped into a famous scenes for your Halloween fun

http://www.designcrowd.com/special/donald-trump-horror-movie-scenes?page=2

[malaise]

35. Ha

[Reter]

22. Completely different numbers that have nothing to do with each other

Jeb isn't at 6% popularity, he's polling 6% in a crowded Republican field. Likewise, if W was allowed to run, he would not poll 45%.

[kentuck]

25. Probably true...

But Jeb and his braintrust believe they can drive up Jeb's polls by tying him to his brother's record as a "protector" of our country and Trump has called him on it.

[sofa king]

23. Tell the truth ONE TIME and it comes back to bite you in the ass.

That might be the one thing Jeb! knows that Donald does not.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. I don't know....the "low energy" meme worked to cripple Jeb !

and the "needs to take an IQ test" helped rid us of Perry.

[sofa king]

86. You're right about the "low energy" smear.

I thought it would have the same non-traction as "intellectually incurious" had for W. But fewer syllables seems to count for a lot in American politics now, ha ha! Both of these terms are euphemisms for "stupid," but stupid people can only understand one of them, I guess.

I remember a couple of times when the guy with the most money and power spun out in the primaries: Phil Gramm in the '90s is probably the best example.

But as I keep insisting, there is no statute of limitations on many of the crimes we can logically assume that the Bush Administration committed (by their pattern of document destruction and cover-up), and Jeb! had a role in both the stolen election of 2000 and the training of the 9/11 terrorists in his state, and the "loss" of documentation related to both. So Jeb! is one of several candidates running to avoid future indictment, and you have to ask yourself what a fellow such as he will be willing to do to win....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. Luckily...money can not buy charisma. Personally, I wish he would be indicted for

his voter/felon purge. There are few things more despicable to me than consciously working to stop people from voting.

And yes - Jeb in 2004 said "let me make some calls". I have never been able to find that video -- It was the whole Bush family in a hotel with Dimson and family. Exits had Kerry winning FL (as well as final pre-election polls) and Dimson "won" by 6

[thesquanderer]

26. re: "45% is better than 6%, which is where Dubya and Jeb sit in the polls"

I think the 45% figure is essentially a "favorable" number, right? In that case, it would be compared to Jeb's "favorable" which is about 35%. (Many Republicans have a favorable view of him, even if he isn't their first choice as candidate.)

[mountain grammy]

28. Someone has to remind these dumbass Republicans that

Bush didn't keep us safe. That he was an incompetent president with an incompetent staff, with the exception of a few holdovers who did warn the administrations.. but there were planes to catch, vacations to take, women and minorities to oppress, and too many to pay back for a corrupted election.
Meantime, maybe someday we'll see the still classified 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission report and understand a bit of the rest of the story.
In spite of despising the man, I am glad to see Trump putting Bush at the scene for 9/11, not that Trump would be different, because they'll be planes to catch, vacations to take and women and minorities to oppress, just who has time for real work.

Republicans don't have jobs, they have adventures and wild dreams of oppression, at all our expense.

[bulloney]

45. The Republican establishment is mad at Trump because he's bursting their delusional bubble

that they've been repeating for over 14 years that Jeb's brother "kept us safe."

This country (with the exception of a small percentage of our population) knows that W did NOT keep us safe. If the 9/11 attacks had occurred under a Democratic POTUS, along with the anthrax incidents and the elevated terrorist acts and threats on Americans here and abroad that followed 9/11, how do you think the dialogue would have gone in the media? Would they have allowed that Democratic POTUS to have the free pass that W has been given all of these years?

I think we know the answer to that question.

[hibbing]

67. But how many of those same people think Iraq was to blame for the bombings? nt/

[UCmeNdc]

31. Trump is 100% correct. George Bush did not keep America safe.

Why people let him tell this lie is just plain crazy.

[winetourdriver]

39. Trumped

Wait until Trump accuses Jeb? of rigging Florida for W in 2000, the shit will really hit the fan!

[kentuck]

41. I would not be surprised.

[J_J_]

58. Perfect time for Trump to bring up the election and Florida 2000

I think we should all tweet this idea to him, this is really getting good...

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. Ha!

[patsimp]

43. the truth is that George W Bush did allow 911 to happen on his watch

had he been smarter he might have been able to stop it.

[Catherine Vincent]

44. I'm loving it!

This is definitely one time that Trump spoke the truth about Bush and 9/11. And as I post about this tragic event, may those that perished...continue to rest in peace.

[wiggs]

46. Plus, GWB and Wolfowitz are his two top foreign policy advisors. Let's drill down on that

for the next year!

[wiggs]

47. 19 of 21 advisors are from GWB administration, including John Negroponte. nt

[Arugula Latte]

60. What Unfresh Hell is this?

[tularetom]

48. Trump smells blood in the water

He's like a predator who can find the weakest member of the herd and torture him until he finishes him off.

He correctly identified Jeb! as an empty suit with no real moral center or strength of character. Who lacked the spine to really fight back. And he's in the process of slowly eviscerating him.

[Yallow]

54. Excellent Summary tularetom

Trump smells blood.

Too bad it was the blood of 3,000 WTC workers and firemen and cops first....

[hifiguy]

71. I think it quite possible that tRUMP could trounce HRH

in the GE, but that Bernie would trounce tRUMP.

[davidpdx]

83. Well put

Let's hope Bush and Trump destroy each other. It would be a two'fer.

[Tipperary]

53. I am very happy someone finally spoke the truth.

Sad that it had to be Trump.

[bonniebgood]

56. Sad it had to be Trump? Why not Trump? Everyone else has a carreer and

a job to loose. everyone in States with open primaries should vote for Trump. then in the General we "Will make America great" by voting for Bernie.

[840high]

76. I don't mind that it was Trump.

[Bucky]

57. I still think Trump is doing the GOP a HYUUUGE favor

Taking Jeb out of the process keeps the Republicans from nominating their emptiest suit. It also corners their wild card lunatics like Cruz & Santorum & Rand Paul back to the barest of fringes. At the end of the season, the Republican Party is not going to nominate an assmonkey like The Donald. But he's keeping the base riled up and he's going to be one hell of an effective spokesman for their eventual ticket in the fall 2016 campaign. But by sucking all the oxygen out of the fringier wings of the party, he's going to help assure that it's a Republican with mainstream appeal--probably Kasich or Rubio--who gets the final nomination.

I'm not even sure he's genuinely running for the nomination. I think he secretly wants Chris Christie to get the nomination, but I'm even more certain that Christie won't get it.

[Rex]

59. Yep, all these years later and the M$M still works hard to cover up , deny and delay anything

involving 9/11. And now all those billions spent are flushed down the crapper by Trump...you gotta love it!

He fucks up the M$M and the GOP...I hope he totally destroys both groups, good riddens to bad rubbish...*spit*

[Skittles]

80. they had help from SPINELESS DEMOCRATS

Obama told us we needed to LOOK FORWARD, as if all Bush INC did was some hanky panky

[shockey80]

61. Jeb

He should have known this would happen to him. The people will never forget what happened. They will never elect a bush again. Just by running for president shows how stupid jeb is.

[davidpdx]

84. If he had a brain he would have known this

But he is special just like his brother, he doesn't have a brain. It is just mushy jello up there in his noggin.

[DirkGently]

62. Trump continues to be an interesting double-edged proposition.

Along with my unusual disclaimer that we are unfortunately dumb enough as a country to elect this person, which is a thing we MUST NOT DO, look again at how Trump is using his position to blow holes in Republican dogma in ways no one has been able to.

This 9/11 fight is a perfect example. Republicans have been comfortable for years going on about how W. "kept us safe," when of course he did no such thing. Whether he was to blame for ignoring the Bin Laden memo or not,

1) the worst terrorist attack in American history certainly happened on his watch, and

2) Bush's response was to use 9/11 to gin up a disastrous war, the results of which we are still fighting today, and to begin a regime of intrusive government surveillance that is likewise still the source of huge problems.

And he managed to lose thousands of American lives, a trillion dollars, and the world's respect in the process.

And yet Republicans have for years carried on as though Bush was some kind of great savior of the nation -- one of them said the other day that no terrorist attacks happened during his Presidency -- in complete confidence they would never be contradicted.

The idea being, apparently, that 9/11 was so horrific, that "pulling together" includes pretending the President who happened to be in office somehow handled it well, which Bush absolutely, in no way at all, ever did.

Now they've gone several steps further, and launched an endless witch hunt over Benghazi, based on the logic that several Americans died in an attack -- a serious thing to be sure, but not anything we've ever recognized as a reason to blame Presidents or Secretaries of State.

This is a huge "Emperor has no clothes" area Republicans have cruised on for years, and now Jeb wants to keep it going, but DONALD TRUMP is stuffing it down his throat. Just like acknowledged Planned Parenthood isn't primary an abortion clinic, and that "free trade" isn't always a great idea.

Even the terrible things Trump says are not in keeping with the main Republican agenda. His ludicrous immigration comments are exactly what Republicans told themselves they had to get away from to stop alienating voters. But they can't really contradict him, because the conservative base they have created won't allow it.

Trump is the gift that keeps giving to Democrats, so long as -- and we really can't stress this enough -- he never makes it to the White House.

[Skittles]

81. EXCELLENT ASSESSMENT

[Utopian Leftist]

63. This is what makes me believe Trump takes the Rethug Nomination:

The only thing the CONS care about, when selecting a leader, is "balls."

I mean that quite literally: loud, obnoxious, testosterone-fueled swagger is their ONLY consideration in a candidate. It's the path to the conservative "heart."

Trump "has a pair" and is not afraid to use them to say any damn, stupid thing that pops into his fertile-though-rancid imagination.

Of course, he lacks brains, heart, manners, diplomacy and a soul; but he has a pair of dangly bits that impresses the HELL out of angry ThuglyCONS! (And are there any other kind?)

[Stuart G]

64. Yep...k and r. no text.

[arikara]

65. I heard some r/w talking head on the radio this morning

a station I accidentally happened upon but probably Seattle area as I'm in west coast Canada. I don't think it was limbagh, but he had the same speech cadences and lack of intelligence. Anyhow he was practically going insane turning himself into a pretzel because of Trump's statement about the chimp and 911, and somebody said if you can't blame Bush for 911 then you also can't blame Hillary for Bengazi. So this talking dude started making excuses for the chimp, saying that he didn't even have his administration in place yet because of the florida recount, that he had kindly left a bunch of democratic people in positions in a valiant attempt to be bipartisan so 911 had to be Bill Clinton's fault. On the other hand Hillary mocked and stonewalled the Benzai investigation so it had to be her fault.

It was all very puzzling, also pretty funny.

Wish us luck with our election today. Hopefully we get rid of Harper once and for all.

[Myrina]

66. Made me giddy to watch Jebby try to defend his bro' ....

.... they're not called the BFEE for nothing. La Familia is more important than anything among that crew.
And Jeb's gonna fall on the sword of his Presidential aspirations just to stick up for Dimson.

[dpatbrown]

68. I agree,

there aren't any Dems with a backbone to bring it up, so thank Trump. It's right up there with NEVER criticizing Israel. Same, same.

[ThoughtCriminal]

69. In GOP circles, it is controversial to admit W was President 9/11/2001

How dare anyone look at a calendar?!

[WiffenPoof]

72. The Main Obstacle...

...to exposing the absolute waste that Iraq was are the families that lost lived ones in the ill advised war. Trump has saw fit to add that the Iraq war was a mistake. Try to imagine being a parent of a lost soldier. I full did not expect anyone to admit that Iraq was a mistake for years and years. I'm surprised that it only took a handful of years to arrive at the truth.

-Paige

[flamingdem]

73. Good clickbait title Kentuck

[IronLionZion]

75. Oh I hope their party falls apart

fractures into the various factions fighting against each other trickling down all over the local elections too. Do it Trump! Destroy the GOP!

[WillyT]

82. K & R !!! - But... Can We Not Talk About Republican Bowels ???

Was trying to enjoy my popcorn...

[morningglory]

85. Ha! WillyT, you thing! nt

[restorefreedom]

88. a dumpster fire

is what a pundit called the gop side of the primaries last week. and here comes trump with another rotting chair to toss in...and one for the m$m too!