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tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:51 AM Oct 2015

Photo showing Lee Harvey Oswald with same type of gun used to kill JFK 'authentic'



Can the conspiracy theories finally be put to rest? An incriminating photograph which showed Lee Harvey Oswald in his backyard, holding the same type of rifle used to assassinate President John F. Kennedy, has been confirmed as authentic after an examination using the latest forensic techniques.

Theories that the photo was a fake have been used to cast doubt on the evidence pointing to Oswald as the sole assassin of the President on November 22, 1963.

Oswald, killed before he could stand trial, claimed the photo, in which he brandished a rifle in one hand and Marxist newspapers in the other, had been faked when shown it by Dallas Police. Its veracity was examined by The Warren Commission and the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

Now researchers at Dartmouth College, New Hampshire, have used a new digital image forensics technique and a 3-D model of Oswald, for the study, published in the Journal of Digital Forensics.

“Our detailed analysis of Oswald's pose, the lighting and shadows and the rifle in his hands refutes the argument of photo tampering,” said senior author Hany Farid, a professor of computer science and a pioneering researcher in digital forensics whose team develops mathematical and computational techniques to detect tampering in photos, videos, audios and documents.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/john-f-kennedys-assassination-photo-showing-lee-harvey-oswald-with-gun-used-to-kill-former-president-a6699751.html
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Photo showing Lee Harvey Oswald with same type of gun used to kill JFK 'authentic' (Original Post) tammywammy Oct 2015 OP
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #1
Flinging a lot of invective there, must be bummed about the Canadian elections. Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #6
LOL G_j Oct 2015 #13
No need to get so frothy, SidDithers of DU. Octafish Oct 2015 #14
Why do you even bother. Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #15
"The good fight." What a joke. stopbush Oct 2015 #30
LULZ Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #32
You all funny... Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #37
still laughing Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #40
that isn't funny at all...you really laughed at that LOL snooper2 Oct 2015 #70
OK it's a month early but LOLOLOL Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #72
Well WiffenPoof Oct 2015 #90
Yawn... stopbush Oct 2015 #29
Mountains of new information since Nov. 22, 1963 show what's stale. Octafish Oct 2015 #38
JURY RESULTS (I guess some people aren't immune to being hidden, after all...) ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #48
Thanks ChisolmTrailDem! Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #50
So a reference to "...from some homophobe, or racist, or anti-Semite..." randome Oct 2015 #53
It's only weird if you pretend it doesn't happen or hasn't happened, as you do. Tell me, randome, ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #56
Agglutination Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #59
LOL Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #57
"We all know who he was talking about." randome Oct 2015 #63
Welcome to DU! Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #64
Of course we did G_j Oct 2015 #65
Maybe posting the rantings of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists isn't a good idea in the first place YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #83
D'oh! Now you're part of the Swarm! randome Oct 2015 #89
Well the swarm is all here, they probably got together and planned this out. Rex Oct 2015 #49
Yep, like flies to flypaper ... lol ... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #61
Wow, so now Dartmouth is part of the JFK cover up!!! stopbush Oct 2015 #74
I find it curious that you spend so much time attempting to exonerate JFK's actual assassin YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #77
I find it fascinating that some people think they know who did it. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #86
OT madokie Oct 2015 #17
Giorgio Tsoukalos SidDithers Oct 2015 #18
Thanks madokie Oct 2015 #21
I've conversed with Giorgio. He doesn't believe in most of what he says. But he makes good ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #51
A major call-out and a insult of a fellow DUer. Why are you allowed to do this when no one ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #31
Listening to some house music on a youtube and my GF said Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #46
Well there it is, hard evidence that a lone gunman, acting alone, killed JFK by himself. Scuba Oct 2015 #2
Whether this photo is a fake or authentic has never been pivotal to me n/t deutsey Oct 2015 #3
Same Here ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #7
DUZY!..nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #8
yup and "lone gunman" standing alone in a photo LOL Javaman Oct 2015 #11
LOL! Rex Oct 2015 #58
Those rifles were very common during that period PeoViejo Oct 2015 #4
Those rifles were sold in the classifieds catnhatnh Oct 2015 #73
the head shot comes from the right front so unless that gun can magically fire bullets GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #5
This is the evidence... CanSocDem Oct 2015 #12
Does that rifle have a scope? Darb Oct 2015 #9
I believe that he was a shooter. trumad Oct 2015 #10
I think he was just what he said, a patsy. Darb Oct 2015 #16
Sorry, didn't realize the rifle that killed Kenedy had a scope...... Darb Oct 2015 #25
It was common in the 50s and 60s for companies to purchase obsolete military rifles... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #91
They did a paraffin test. Oswald never fired a gun that day. librechik Oct 2015 #20
Link please philosslayer Oct 2015 #26
FWIW, as far as "legitimate: and/ "CT" evidence in the assassination goes librechik Oct 2015 #54
Was that directed at me? philosslayer Oct 2015 #55
Typical CTist assertion, and not true. stopbush Oct 2015 #28
Ah, well if *Allen Dulles* says it, it must be true! villager Oct 2015 #52
The Shark tell a lie or step on toes!? Rex Oct 2015 #60
Allen Dulles was not the only person on the Warren Comission you know... YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #82
See Above ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #45
Contrails. randome Oct 2015 #19
You win. zappaman Oct 2015 #22
What's over? Darb Oct 2015 #24
It was a coded reference to us non-CT'ers. You never know who's watching. randome Oct 2015 #36
Not just yet... Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #66
Alright, where'd I put that spray bottle... NuclearDem Oct 2015 #34
Who listens to experts? AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #23
No amount of evidence will ever convince the JFK CT crowd. stopbush Oct 2015 #27
That's the catch. If you have evidence that runs contrary to the CT, NuclearDem Oct 2015 #33
Exactly. FLPanhandle Oct 2015 #35
+1. Apparently, we're all on the payroll of the "BFEE" YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #78
David Talbot has a new book out mountain grammy Oct 2015 #39
I haven't read that one IDemo Oct 2015 #43
I'll put that on my list, thanks. mountain grammy Oct 2015 #44
The head and neck sre too big for the body. GreatCaesarsGhost Oct 2015 #42
LOL "same type of rifle", great but what about the one used to actually shoot JFK? Rex Oct 2015 #47
According to Wiki, 2 - 3,000,000 Carcanos were made, 1890 - 1945. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #92
His wife Marina provided that photo and said she had taken it struggle4progress Oct 2015 #62
Shouldn't have been, but apparently plenty believed it was part of the/a conspiracy. n/t tammywammy Oct 2015 #68
Funny, I've never noticed the pistol before justiceischeap Oct 2015 #67
World class experts are saying the picture is real trumad Oct 2015 #69
I've never been a CT'er in regards to this image justiceischeap Oct 2015 #71
So I guess this proves he lived in Texas. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #75
Actually, he lived in New Orleans. KamaAina Oct 2015 #80
et al. including CIA officer George Joannides. Octafish Oct 2015 #96
Sure, and then in Dallas. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #98
Why were the names of the papers whited out in this photo? former9thward Oct 2015 #76
I'm not sure why The Independent chose to do that tammywammy Oct 2015 #85
No complaint about you. former9thward Oct 2015 #97
Oswald murdered JFK, and he murdered J.D. Tippit YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #79
Few except the extra-strength tinfoilhatters believe Oswald was not involved. KamaAina Oct 2015 #81
Thats great but Jan Bunson Oct 2015 #84
Sipping a soda?! I thought I'd heard every possible angle by now!! KamaAina Oct 2015 #87
A conspiracy theorist claiming people are being paid? Prodigious! NuclearDem Oct 2015 #88
Welp, this may prove that Oswald owned a gun... Which is pretty much the same as having AzDar Oct 2015 #93
People love CTs, not boring like the truth. nt Logical Oct 2015 #94
Please see my user name oswaldactedalone Oct 2015 #95

Response to tammywammy (Original post)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. No need to get so frothy, SidDithers of DU.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015
You left something out:



From what Jack D. White told the House Select Committee on Assassinations:


Mr. GENZMAN. Based on your findings, what is your conclusion about the backyard photographs?

Mr. WHITE. Well, just as Oswald said, I think they are fakes.

Mr. GENZMAN. Do you regard these fakes as sophisticated or crude?

Mr. WHITE. They are extremely sophisticated, although they are not so sophisticated that the fakery cannot be detected. I deal in the graphic arts area all the time in my job. We frequently deal with photographers, commercial artists, people who do this sort of work. If we were to undertake to fabricate a photograph like either of these, we would go to an expert to do it. We would get somebody who was an expert photographer, an expert artist, or a commercial art studio, because it is obvious that to fabricate the head onto the body and then the body onto the background, several sophisticated techniques must be used, including a matting process. Matting, for the people who don't know about graphics, involves the use of masks and a pin-register system so that you can exactly superimpose something onto a background without the superimposure being noticeable. What you do is take the figure that you are going to superimpose on the background, and you cut a mask around this figure. You make a positive and a negative of this, using one of them to outline the figure and the other to knock out of the background the area in which you want to print the figure. It is a very sophisticated procedure. It is not something that the average person could do. These were not made, in my opinion, by somebody with just a pair of scissors and some paste.

Mr. GENZMAN. Do you have an opinion as to whether Oswald hypothetically could have made these fakes?

Mr. WHITE. Even though he said to Will Fritz that he knew something about photography and could demonstrate how these photos were made. I don't think he could have acquired the expertise to fabricate them in the few months he worked at Jaggars Chiles-Stovall in Dallas.

Mr. GENZMAN. Why do you think these fakes were made?

Mr. WHITE. It is fairly obvious after the fact that they were made to implicate Oswald in the alleged assassination by tying him to the assassination weapon.

SOURCE: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/hscawhte.htm



Speaking of left out, how much do you think War Inc sends Dartmouth's way each year?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
15. Why do you even bother.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:12 AM
Oct 2015

Keep up the good fight Octafish, your not alone in hating the Bush Family and their history of NAZI loving war mongering.

Fuck all those who defend them. SERIOUSLY. Bitter people who live in a small world.



Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
40. still laughing
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:35 AM
Oct 2015

OMG this this is funny....



Fuck all those who defend them. (the bush family) SERIOUSLY. Bitter people who live in a small world.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
70. that isn't funny at all...you really laughed at that LOL
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:00 PM
Oct 2015

You haven't seen funny


This is what funny looks like

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. Mountains of new information since Nov. 22, 1963 show what's stale.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:28 AM
Oct 2015

A new book shows why a five-year-old study draws the sudden attention of Rupert Murdoch and friends.





“Every president has been manipulated by national security officials”: David Talbot exposes America’s “deep state”

From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites

LIAM O'DONOGHUE
Salon.com, Oct. 15, 2015

This year’s best spy thriller isn’t fiction – it’s history. David Talbot’s previous book, the bestseller “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” explored Robert F. Kennedy’s search for the truth following his brother’s murder. His new work, “The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government,” zooms out from JFK’s murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the president’s assassination.

This isn’t merely a whodunit story, though. Talbot’s ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the “deep state” has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nation’s vast influence, the rest of the planet. “To thoroughly and honestly analyze (former CIA director) Allen Dulles’s legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy,” Talbot told Salon. “To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.”

Just as America’s current national security apparatus has used terrorism as a justification for spying on American citizens, torture, and the annihilation of innocent civilians as collateral damage, Talbot places these justifications in a Cold War context, by showing how spymaster Allen Dulles shrugged off countless atrocities using the threat of communism. For readers unfamiliar with Dulles’ history, the first few chapters are like being splashed in the face with a bucket of ice water. Talbot’s assertion that Dulles is a psychopath is hard to dismiss after the intelligence agent is shown covering up the Holocaust prior to America’s intervention into World War II by keeping crucial information exposing the horrors of concentration camps from reaching President Roosevelt. Allen Dulles and his fellow Cold Warriors saw Russia, a U.S. ally during World War II – not Nazi Germany – as the real enemy.

Jumping from geopolitical strategy to the psychological realm, Talbot details how it was not only enemies who had reason to fear Dulles, but his own friends and family, as well. The book veers into a dark, terrifying investigation of the MKUltra Project, a hideous “mind control program” developed by the CIA during Dulles’ reign as director, that dosed unsuspecting people with LSD, pushed the limits of sleep deprivation and engaged in other deeply unethical experiments. The program has been exposed, bit by bit, over decades, thanks to lawsuits and previous investigative reporting, but Talbot sheds light on how Dulles subjected his own son and attempted to “enroll” his wife in these hideous “therapies.”

By the time “The Devil’s Chessboard” eventually climaxes with the events that unfolded in Dallas in 1963, Talbot’s argument that Dulles had both the power and temperament to execute such a plot is more than believable. “Dulles’ favorite word about someone was whether they were useful or not,” Talbot said. “And that’s the way he thought of everyone – to what extent could he use them.”

CONTINUED...



It's connecting the dots the CIA Controlled & Corporate Owned News will never mention, even if their secret Swiss bank accounts depended on it.
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
41. JURY RESULTS (I guess some people aren't immune to being hidden, after all...)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:35 AM
Oct 2015

This poster should not be allowed to do to other DUers what others are not allowed to do. This is a blatant call out of a DUer and the poster is leveling charges at Octafish and has become a one-man campaign to insult and demean a fellow DUer.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:32 AM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is disruptive and one picture does not settle s controversy No room for this on DU
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not a call out by name
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you.

Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #41)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
53. So a reference to "...from some homophobe, or racist, or anti-Semite..."
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:23 PM
Oct 2015

...is automatically a call-out to Octafish? That's some weird logic going on.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
56. It's only weird if you pretend it doesn't happen or hasn't happened, as you do. Tell me, randome,
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:27 PM
Oct 2015

if Sid wasn't referring to Octafish in this way (as he has done before), then to what/whom was he referring?

And, why do you feel the need to defend Sid?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
57. LOL
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:30 PM
Oct 2015

Are you new here? Welcome aboard....



some people make du suck.

We all know who he was talking about, to my surprise so did the Jurors.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
63. "We all know who he was talking about."
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:43 PM
Oct 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
89. D'oh! Now you're part of the Swarm!
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:53 PM
Oct 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
49. Well the swarm is all here, they probably got together and planned this out.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015

You know you are doing something right when the swarm makes a thread and fails miserably at it!

LHO had the same type of gun as the one used to kill JFK...LOL!...this shit writes itself!

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
74. Wow, so now Dartmouth is part of the JFK cover up!!!
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

Do the CTists know how ridiculous they sound? Why not impugn the latest scientific methods that were used to prove the Oswald photo is authentic? Do you know how much $ goes into scientific research these days? Surely the BFEE is directing all of that $ to cover up their evils!!

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
77. I find it curious that you spend so much time attempting to exonerate JFK's actual assassin
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:48 PM
Oct 2015

It was a horrific, traumatic national tragedy that left a lasting scar on the United States (and the world, for that matter), and an intensely personal tragedy and horror for the entire Kennedy family. But at the same time, we know who did it.

I guess you can fool some of the people all the time....

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
86. I find it fascinating that some people think they know who did it.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:46 PM
Oct 2015

And want all talk of it to end.

Usually, it is people who weren't even born at the time of the JFK assassination.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
17. OT
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:27 AM
Oct 2015

but I seen this guy on the science channel the other day. Can't remember what kind of a scientist he is or what the show was about but I about choked on my drink when they cut to him and his mug LOL

I thought he was some actor or something all this time. Again LOL

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
51. I've conversed with Giorgio. He doesn't believe in most of what he says. But he makes good
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:20 PM
Oct 2015

money saying that shit.

That you are unable to see through his schtick says all we need to know about you.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
31. A major call-out and a insult of a fellow DUer. Why are you allowed to do this when no one
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015

else is allowed to do so?

Why is it you can call people out at will but as soon as I point out that you're Canadian I get hidden? Why are you alone allowed to do these things with immunity?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
46. Listening to some house music on a youtube and my GF said
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:03 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:01 PM - Edit history (2)

They are dancing..

"They're like monkeys trying to control the air traffic lolol"

somehow it fits.



Here is the track

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Well there it is, hard evidence that a lone gunman, acting alone, killed JFK by himself.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:56 AM
Oct 2015

Clearly this photograph eliminates any doubt that this was a lone gunman, acting alone, without the involvement of any others, by himself. Hell, he even made the gun in his home workshop. The ammo too. He even built the Texas Book Repository by himself, brick-by-brick. This is the proof.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. LOL!
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:30 PM
Oct 2015

This OP is great, there is a picture of LHO holding the same type of rifle used to kill JFK. Therefore the case is closed, I mean he has the same type of rifle!

It must be a horrible world to only have 1000 stars in the night sky. Poor CT deniers are almost as sad as CC deniers. I bet they float around in the same circles.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
4. Those rifles were very common during that period
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:59 AM
Oct 2015

Discount gun sellers sold them by mail for less than 25 Dollars. All it proves is that Oswald owned one. Poppy Bush would know.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
5. the head shot comes from the right front so unless that gun can magically fire bullets
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:12 AM
Oct 2015

that travel in a semi circle it isn't the gun that was used to kill JFK.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
12. This is the evidence...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:38 AM
Oct 2015


...that makes Lee Harvey Oswald the obvious patsy and the Dallas FBI complicit. That this story has been known for decades and laughingly dismissed for as long, indicates the distance some Americans have yet to travel on their way to political awareness.

Thanks for posting.

.
 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
10. I believe that he was a shooter.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:47 AM
Oct 2015

Was he the only shooter---I'm not sure about that.

I do think he was part of a group that wanted Kennedy dead. Jack Ruby wasn't some pissed off guy who killed Oswald out of anger for him killing Kennedy. mho

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
16. I think he was just what he said, a patsy.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:19 AM
Oct 2015

This picture is probably part of the set-up. That rifle has a scope, so I doubt it is the one used , allegedly, by him, and the one left behind in the building.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
25. Sorry, didn't realize the rifle that killed Kenedy had a scope......
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:54 AM
Oct 2015

not sure why I had an image of a rifle without a scope as the one that was left in the building that day, but I did. Looked it up, definitely has a scope on it.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
91. It was common in the 50s and 60s for companies to purchase obsolete military rifles...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

and have cheap scopes mounted to them in a kind of "dock-side engineering" process. Then a consumer could order a cheap "hunting" rifle. Alternatively, some consumers would purchase a good quality military rifle (better than the Cacarno) and have a local smith do the job for her or him. The scopes were usually more expensive than the rifle, a common phenomenon to this day. Now, purpose-built rifles capable of putting a 3-shot group within an inch at 100 yds can be had new for $500 -- some including scopes. Adapting these old rifles for hunting purposes has all but disappeared.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
54. FWIW, as far as "legitimate: and/ "CT" evidence in the assassination goes
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:23 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-10.html#paraffin

there is no firm conclusion that Oswald fired a gun that day, and much to show otherwise.

So what? If I'm labeled a "CTer" with venom, how viable is the rest of the conversation--oh I could respond "and you sir are a clueless tool of the state!" But where does that get us? You do not accept me as an authority in the conversation. You believe I am a silly credulous liar. Therefore, I no longer wish to have dialogue with you and your bias. I withdraw. Venom is not a good atmosphere for sharing viewpoints and trading news. In my humble opinion.
 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
55. Was that directed at me?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:27 PM
Oct 2015

My post said "link please". I never heard it before and was interested in reading about it.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
28. Typical CTist assertion, and not true.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

Obviously you've never read the Warren Report.

BTW - paraffin tests were and are unreliable. Law enforcement knew that back when they ran those tests on Oswald. Such tests were used to intimidate people into believing the law had evidence against them. To assert that a faulty test given to Oswald proved guilt or innocence is laughable. All it does is display the abject ignorance of the person making the claim.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
60. The Shark tell a lie or step on toes!?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:35 PM
Oct 2015

It is comical watching people bring up the Master Spy as the pillar of truth.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
82. Allen Dulles was not the only person on the Warren Comission you know...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:58 PM
Oct 2015

And if we're going to play guilt-by-association games....anything said by Paul Craig Roberts, etc. is automatically suspect because of his anti-Semitism and such. Also, because what he says is misleading CT bullshit.

ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
45. See Above
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:01 PM
Oct 2015

Same page, you and i. There was a conspiracy. There was more than one shooter. That doesn't make Oswald innocent.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Contrails.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:31 AM
Oct 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. It was a coded reference to us non-CT'ers. You never know who's watching.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:27 AM
Oct 2015

But it was Jambi who killed JFK. Just look at the...'man'...whatever. He reeks of evil! I mean if he can make a boy fly, he can do anything!


[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
23. Who listens to experts?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:49 AM
Oct 2015

Americans don't listen to experts anymore. People believe what they want to believe.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
27. No amount of evidence will ever convince the JFK CT crowd.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:05 AM
Oct 2015

The evidence has been there for decades and it hasn't meant a thing to the CTists, especially the self aggrandizing ones who truly believe they not only are privy to some hidden truth about the assassination, but who also believe they are doing the world a valuable service by peddling their evidence-bereft theories.

I'm sure this thread will soon be overtaken bybthe CTists, answering questions with questions and presenting unfounded assertions as if they were facts.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
33. That's the catch. If you have evidence that runs contrary to the CT,
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:18 AM
Oct 2015

then you're part of the conspiracy. It's just like arguing with creationists.

The people who tell you to "keep an open mind" are often the most close-minded of them all.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
39. David Talbot has a new book out
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:29 AM
Oct 2015

on Allen Dulles and the CIA. In America, it's common for appointed individuals to have far more power than those we elect, as they serve with little accountability, like Dulles right up until JFK fired him.

Oswald was the killer, of that I'm convinced, but his history is remarkable. No way he was working on his own.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
43. I haven't read that one
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:41 AM
Oct 2015

but I'm midway through 'JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters', by James Douglas. Anyone who still wants to question the very close association of Oswald with the CIA can read this very thorough and well documented book and get back to me.

GreatCaesarsGhost

(8,584 posts)
42. The head and neck sre too big for the body.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:38 AM
Oct 2015

Step back and imagine him wearing a football helmet. He'd look ridiculous.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
47. LOL "same type of rifle", great but what about the one used to actually shoot JFK?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:05 PM
Oct 2015

I have no doubt LHO was a patsy for someone, but I never questioned that photo. Of course that is him holding the same kind of rifle with papers and a pistol on his hip. He bought into the role hook line and sinker.

No doubt he also used it to shoot at JFK. I never understood why people thought the photo was fixed, sounded like more invented lore to make the issue more complex than it was.

struggle4progress

(118,280 posts)
62. His wife Marina provided that photo and said she had taken it
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:42 PM
Oct 2015

so its authenticity was never really in doubt

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
67. Funny, I've never noticed the pistol before
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

The only reason I think it can be called into question is because there is no shadow on the paper but angles can be tricky.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
71. I've never been a CT'er in regards to this image
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:02 PM
Oct 2015

It's very hard to fake such a crappy picture (meaning the film isn't great, the camera probably was an "instant", etc.)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
96. et al. including CIA officer George Joannides.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:18 PM
Oct 2015

In 1963 New Orleans, George Joannides was paymaster, at least, of the fanatical anti-Castro group, DRE. One of its members, Dr. Carlos Bringuier, got in a famous public confrontation with the president of the New Orleans chapter of the pro-Castro group Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Lee Harvey Oswald.

In 1979 Washington DC, George Joannides became the second CIA liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. There he managed to slow-walk every file requested, denied investigators access to files that Congress had requested, as well as made it near impossible for the HSCA investigation to proceed. Of course, CIA never mentioned to HSCA that Mr. Joannides had also been part of the very subject area they were investigating, Oswald in New Orleans.

Details: http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/present-at-the-cover-up-jfk-investigator-recounts-how-a-cia-man-stonewalled-congress/

former9thward

(31,986 posts)
76. Why were the names of the papers whited out in this photo?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:39 PM
Oct 2015

They are very clear in other versions. "Daily Worker" and "The Militant".

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
85. I'm not sure why The Independent chose to do that
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:26 PM
Oct 2015

I admit laziness on my part, I just used the photo they had with the article.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
79. Oswald murdered JFK, and he murdered J.D. Tippit
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

I don't care what his apologists say. All of the actual evidence points to Oswald being the lone gunman.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
81. Few except the extra-strength tinfoilhatters believe Oswald was not involved.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:55 PM
Oct 2015

The questions are: a) Was there another shooter, likely behind the grassy knoll? and b) Who put Oswald up to it?

 

Jan Bunson

(35 posts)
84. Thats great but
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:25 PM
Oct 2015

How does that photo prove he was where he wasn't?

Oswald was sipping a soda while the shooting was being done.

I was told that there are paid trolls on DU.

I believe it.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
93. Welp, this may prove that Oswald owned a gun... Which is pretty much the same as having
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

a signed confession, and footage of him pulling the goddamned trigger. Wait, WHAT?

oswaldactedalone

(3,490 posts)
95. Please see my user name
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:48 PM
Oct 2015

for my thoughts on the now authenticated picture. Even in those days leading up to 2003 when I was a conspiracy theorist, I never bought the doctored photograph idea.

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