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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:54 AM Oct 2015

Is Hawai‘i an Occupied State?

"As the campaign for full independence gains momentum, a new view of Hawaiian history is taking hold.

Over the summer, the US Department of the Interior held a series of hearings inviting Native Hawaiians to comment on the formation of a federally recognized nation. The hearings confirmed what many Hawaiians already knew: opposing camps have formed in the debate over Hawaiian sovereignty. One side views federal recognition as a pragmatic alternative to the status quo. The other side, at first thought to be a marginal segment of the movement, seeks the full independence that Hawai‘i had in the nineteenth century. Surprisingly, after decades in which the federal recognition advocates represented the mainstream, the voices for full independence seized the spotlight. The overwhelming response at the hearings to the question of federal recognition was “a‘ole”: no.
...
Mainstream media coverage was misleading too. By focusing on the tone rather than the content of the comments at the hearings, commentators missed the real story, which was that a major shift in Hawaiian political will had occurred. In a community known for its divisiveness, the emergence of the independence movement as a viable force is quite stunning. Under the radar, a new view of Hawaiian history is taking hold."

https://www.thenation.com/article/hawaii-occupied-state/

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Many people just don't know that Hawaii was annexed by the US only back in 1898 -- that's pretty damn recent.

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Is Hawai‘i an Occupied State? (Original Post) uawchild Oct 2015 OP
Drop Hawaii and bring in Puerto Rico? yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #1
Just the opposite. AngryAmish Oct 2015 #4
Puerto Rico seems to love the cruel heel of American oppression. NobodyHere Oct 2015 #9
How much will they continue to love it Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #18
Would going independent make them any better off? NobodyHere Oct 2015 #19
I have no idea Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #20
Just FYI NobodyHere Oct 2015 #21
Yeah, I knew they had a recent referendum, Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #22
Minnesota, too seems to love the cruel heel of American oppression. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #26
Despite its illegal annexation in 1893 frazzled Oct 2015 #2
Hawaii today Texas tomorrow newfie11 Oct 2015 #3
Please, sweet Jesus, let it be Florida Bucky Oct 2015 #14
Lol nt newfie11 Oct 2015 #23
what % were native Hawaiians though? uawchild Oct 2015 #5
I have no idea frazzled Oct 2015 #7
You guys Know I am part native Hawaiian right? yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #17
Very cool, yui! artislife Oct 2015 #24
Mahalo yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #25
The only precinct to vote against statehood was the island of Ni'ihau off Kaua'i KamaAina Oct 2015 #11
The struggle for statehood was a long and difficult one KamaAina Oct 2015 #13
I recently caught a bit of "colonization and indigenous life" on link's earth at risk series. niyad Oct 2015 #6
Any more than the other 49 states? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #8
The entire continent is "occupied" Adrahil Oct 2015 #10
You mean Europe is occupied by invading Indo-European tribes? Bucky Oct 2015 #12
But the entire continent was not a fully recognized member of the world community KamaAina Oct 2015 #16
I once came close to becoming the first and only honorary citizen of Ka Lahui Hawai'i KamaAina Oct 2015 #15
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. Drop Hawaii and bring in Puerto Rico?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:58 AM
Oct 2015

If Hawaii wants to leave I don't think we should stop them when we have a state waiting for the chance.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
4. Just the opposite.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

Lincoln set a precedent, secession wise. Puerto Rico needs to have the cruel heel of American oppression lifted.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
18. How much will they continue to love it
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:39 PM
Oct 2015

if the federal government doesn't help them out with their $72 billion debt?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
20. I have no idea
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:49 PM
Oct 2015

But I imagine that one of the reasons they vote to stay tied to the US is the implied understanding that Uncle Sam will help them out when they need help.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
22. Yeah, I knew they had a recent referendum,
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:57 PM
Oct 2015

but that was before this debt problem came out to the forefront and some American politicians began telling them they're just going to have to suck it up.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. Minnesota, too seems to love the cruel heel of American oppression.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:10 AM
Oct 2015

Minnesota, too seems to love the cruel heel of American oppression.

Six of one half a dozen of the other...

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Despite its illegal annexation in 1893
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:14 AM
Oct 2015

the people of Hawaii (in opposition to the land and plantation owners) did desire statehood:

On June 27, 1959, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill; 94.3% voted in favor of statehood and 5.7% opposed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Overthrow_of_1893.E2.80.94the_Republic_of_Hawaii_.281894.E2.80.931898.29


We can't deny the expansionist history of the US, much of which disenfranchised many groups, from Native Americans everywhere to territories like California and Louisiana. When we consider the secession movement in Texas or the separatist movement in Quebec, I think Hawaii will and should remain a state. It would be quite a precedent to allow it to secede.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
5. what % were native Hawaiians though?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:56 PM
Oct 2015

when you say : "On June 27, 1959, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill; 94.3% voted in favor of statehood and 5.7% opposed it. " did you notice that was in 1959 -- 61 years after the annexation of Hawaii in 1898?

What was the % of the native Hawaiian population in that vote, I mean there was a massive influx of people into Hawaii after 1898 from the US and several Asian nations.

"We can't deny the expansionist history of the US, much of which disenfranchised many groups, from Native Americans everywhere to territories like California and Louisiana. When we consider the secession movement in Texas or the separatist movement in Quebec, I think Hawaii will and should remain a state. It would be quite a precedent to allow it to secede." I agree with the points you made here. Thanks for discussing this issue, I love history and the twists and turns that got us all to our present world fascinate me.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
7. I have no idea
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:24 PM
Oct 2015

I've never even been to Hawaii (though would love to go.) If I have time over the next days, I'll try to research the topic of that referendum.

yuiyoshida

(41,817 posts)
17. You guys Know I am part native Hawaiian right?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:32 PM
Oct 2015

But I was born in San Francisco. My parents, like me are part Japanese and Hawaiian, and my family spent 3 generations in Hawaii after coming from Miyazaki Japan. I don't know much about my culture, and consider myself a California brat.. XD

I would love to go back there and learn more about my people...Just as I would love to visit Japan some day. I do know more about Japan than Hawaii, cause I took courses in Asian Culture at UC Berkeley. I can even speak some Japanese, but I don't know any of the language of Native Hawaiians. My grandfather does, he is native Hawaiian, and still lives there.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. The only precinct to vote against statehood was the island of Ni'ihau off Kaua'i
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

whose residents are all Native Hawaiian. It is the only Hawaiian-speaking community on Earth.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. The struggle for statehood was a long and difficult one
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oct 2015

then as now, there were those in Congress that had no desire to admit a two-thirds Asian state, and made no bones about saying so. It actually started back in the '30s, but was derailed by the Massie case, in which a Native Hawaiian was unjustly accused of the murder of the socialite wife of a Navy officer, and later lynched. Bigots on the mainland managed to spin it as "See? Those people can't possibly govern themselves!" It was not until after WWII, in which many Americans of Japanese ancestry distinguished themselves (including future Sen. Daniel Inouye), that attitudes began to shift.

Would make a damn good movie, come to think of it.

niyad

(112,951 posts)
6. I recently caught a bit of "colonization and indigenous life" on link's earth at risk series.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:05 PM
Oct 2015

the woman from hawai'i made precisely that point.

sorry, did not catch the names, only caught a bit of the segment, but very powerful.

Bucky

(53,928 posts)
12. You mean Europe is occupied by invading Indo-European tribes?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:42 PM
Oct 2015

Or did you mean Asia is occupied by invading homo sapiens sapiens?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. But the entire continent was not a fully recognized member of the world community
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:10 PM
Oct 2015

when Europeans got here.

By contrast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hawaii

The Kingdom of Hawaii was established in 1795 with the unification of the independent islands of Hawaiʻi, Oʻahu, Maui, Molokaʻi, and Lānaʻi into one government. In 1810 the whole of the archipelago was finally unified when Kauaʻi and Niʻihau joined the kingdom willingly and without bloodshed or war. The Kingdom was overthrown January 17, 1893 and has since become part of the United States as the State of Hawaii. Due to numerous treaties, international law as well as US Congressional and presidential agreements, many native Hawaiians consider Hawaii to be an illegally occupied nation and support the Hawaiian sovereignty movement.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hawaii#Foreign_relations

Hawaiʻi was thus the first non-European indigenous state to be admitted into the Family of Nations. The United States declined to join with France and the United Kingdom in this statement. Even though President John Tyler had verbally recognized Hawaiian Independence, it was not until 1849 that the United States formally recognized Hawaii as a fellow nation.

November 28 became a national holiday to celebrate the recognition of Hawaii's independence. The Hawaiian Kingdom entered into treaties with most major nations and established over ninety legations and consulates.
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
15. I once came close to becoming the first and only honorary citizen of Ka Lahui Hawai'i
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015

full citizenship is offered only to Hawaiians. Figures my somewhat flaky Hawaiian friend would forget the paperwork that day (she lived on Hawai'i (Big) Island at the time, and the meeting was on O'ahu).

Ka Lahui favors a nation-within-a-nation model similar to what was being discussed in the OP.

https://kalahuihawaii.wordpress.com/faq/

1. What is Ka Lahui Hawaii?
Ka Lahui is a Native initiative – it is something that developed from grassroots Hawaiians. It is based on a democratic constitution, created by Native Hawaiians. Citizenship is open to all Hawaiians and honorary citizenship is offered to non- Hawaiians. Only full citizens can vote and hold office. The Constitution identifies four branches of government: the Executive, the Legislative, the Judiciary and the Alii Nui. Leadership is elected by the citizens of the 33 districts statewide where Hawaiians live. Provisions for initiative, referendum and recall are included in the Constitution. Ka Lahui Hawaii is separate from the state government and controls its own internal affairs. Therefore, Ka Lahui Hawaii is not subject to state control....

2. What is Ka Lahui Hawaii’s definition of sovereignty?
The five elements of sovereignty are:
• A strong and abiding faith in the Akua
• A people with a common culture
• A land base
• A government structure
• An economic base.

Sovereignty is the ability of a people who share a common culture, religion, language, value system and land base, to exercise control over their lands and lives, independent of other nations. Self-sufficiency is the goal of nationhood. Self-sufficiency means the people are able to be self-supporting, capable of feeding, clothing and sheltering themselves. It means that they are the motive force for their own farming and pastoral projects.

3. What is Ka Lahui Hawaii’s approach to gain sovereignty?
Ka Lahui’s approach is to seek inclusion for the Hawaiian people in the existing U.S. federal policy that affords all Native Americans the right to be self-governing, and to obtain access to the federal courts for judicial review. Once this is achieved, the sovereign nation can explore with the state, federal and county governments, resolution of claims relating to the Native trusts and other entitlements. Ka Lahui believes that the nation should be created before Native entitlements are negotiated. It is the right of the sovereign entity to advance the claims of the people and to explore ways to resolve conflicts with the State and the U.S....

4. Where is Ka Lahui Hawaii going? What is the plan?

a. Recognition and Development of a Sovereign Government
The primary objective of Ka Lahui Hawaii is to secure recognition for a sovereign government for the Hawaiian people. When Queen Liliuokalani was dethroned, our sovereign government was destroyed. The only way to repair that injury is to re-establish a sovereign entity. Ka Lahui Hawaii conducted its first General Election in February 1990, which elected national officers and island district repesentatives. Enrollment of citizens and education about Ka Lahui Hawai’i and Hawaiian sovereignty will continue to be a priority.


I still remember the day I sat outside a meeting site in Nanakuli, on the west side of O'ahu where haoles (Caucasians) are often afraid to go, discussing some relevant Supreme Court decisions in some detail with a large group of Hawaiians. And then eating stewed laulau (taro leaves) afterward (I stayed away from the na'au (tripe). )
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