What do you do?

[Shankapotomus]

What do you do when a bunch of armed white conservatives defy the requests of the federal government?



Well, you leave them alone, of course.

What do you do when an unarmed black student defies the requests of her teacher?



Why, you violently wrestle her to the ground and drag her away, silly.

[Ghost in the Machine]

1. Fuck that jack-booted thug! He should be fired and charged with assault of a minor NOW! n/t

[Warpy]

47. He's been fired and he'll probably face a slew of charges

Federal civil rights charges might be among them.

Cops in this country have a severe perception problem. When tested, they always overestimate a black persons height, weight, and potential for violence.

This has to change or this shit is going to keep happening. That deputy didn't see a kid in a chair, he saw a threat.

[Ghost in the Machine]

49. I saw that in another thread, and was glad to see it! n/t

[Hoppy]

2. If the federal agents had been given free "roids," the armed resisters would have been 6 ft. under.

[monicaangela]

10. Question is, why

were they not given free "roids?" Who made that call, and what does that say about the power structure in this nation?

[restorefreedom]

38. "what does that say about the power structure in this nation?"

NRA, and cowering fools in congress, thats what it says

[monicaangela]

40. Yep,

it appears that's a part of the power structure in this country alright. Of course they take their orders from the uber-wealthy so I guess it isn't in the best interest of the gun manufacturers, or the NRA, or the terrorist organizations like the Klan and others in this nation who also have an upper hand when it comes to what happens to whom.

[restorefreedom]

41. its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. nt

[monicaangela]

44. Yes,

and the ignorance.


• When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money.
~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Cree Prophecy

[restorefreedom]

46. yup. great quote, too nt

[HereSince1628]

3. Troubling thing in the classroom picture re the other kids

In the midst of a violent assault on a peer, note that girl in red. She appears to be 'on-task' as educators say. She's, head down working on that laptop as the kid is pulled in her chair... on-task girl remains that way until the turned upside down desk smacks the front of her desk. Then it's awareness some shit is happening!

The same seems to be true for that hairy white legs in shorts (one behind the girl in red, another in the left of the picture.

They are unmoved during the violence.

It's like watching gnu's, even while the lions brutally take down and tear out the neck of one of their kind...they go on grazing.

With that assault going on that class room should be in an uproar. This is not natural behavior for Homo sapiens, who are gregarious and come to the aid and defense of group members

Yet, this appears to be 'situation normal'. No reason to get involved...just hang on and we'll be back to the lesson after this brief interruption.

[jtuck004]

4. They have been schooled. The same problem with the rest of the nation. n/t

[HereSince1628]

5. That behavioral outcome is a "Common Core" objective, right??

It really is a tell for a -very- perverted society.

These are surely the kids who will fight for their progress and the protection of the sick and elderly in a few years.

Not.

[jtuck004]

30. The armed bully was like the Adam Lanza of school resource officers.

Did you see the young man on the front row, black? He saw the bullying going on, and buried his head.

Smart - armed uniformed bully going nuts in a classroom, wouldn't be the first kid shot.

The ironic thing is that much of the nation acts the same way, yet they, because of their skin color, have little to nothing to worry about.

[HereSince1628]

50. the kids' behaviors aren't normal

That's the behavior of kids who have been behaviorally modified by abuse and intimidation. I have doubts that kids so conditioned will get beyond that without a lot of help.

Because so many of them act pretty much the same way, it looks like a serious and broad problem in that class room. And because it looks like the end result of a lot of conditioning, there is really a need to investigate the school and the school district to characterize the origins and scope of the damage that's been done to those kids.

I think until the cop's psych eval/history is made public there's no point to assuming he isn't mentally well.

Being unable to modulate violence isn't necessarily a mental illness.

At first glance it looks like criminal over-use of authority. I'll leave it there until there is a lot more evidence. I have little doubt that he'll not soon have a team of defense attorneys.

[jtuck004]

60. Compliant.

" criminal over-use of authority." < this, and directed against a black person. I think there is enough evidence out there to say this is part of a cultural pattern of racism, and in my eye that makes it a hate-based attack, nothing to do with policing or education.

I think he is as sane as the next person.

Is scary that the teacher and administrator who praised this action are still there, still holding the kids as prisoners. Well, only another year or two, perhaps.

I wonder how the kids are when they leave?

"kids so conditioned" < It's 3 o'clock. Now they are our next door, and not happy.

It's 5 years later, and now they are our co-workers, neighbors, through out the community. I would wonder if they are over-represented among the black males with 35% unemployment, left there so we can keep our deficit down to help people with money.

People expect these kids later to jump up and vote, and embrace life with all the gusto they can. That's tough when the first thing school teaches you is that there is a target on your back.

And it's not just the black kids. I watched white Democrats in the 70s beat black kids for trying to go to "our" schools, egged their kids on to topple the buses. (I dropped out, got a GED, and joined the Navy - it was safer). Those parents taught some of those kids to hate, who grew up hating,without the overt symbols of their parents, became the boomers and their kids. Many of those are the Republicans there today, though some are still Democrats.

Lots of white learning going on too.

[erronis]

22. Too bad Ben Carson wasn't a student, and armed!

He could have taken out that rogue cop!

[jtuck004]

28. That was a bully. Not a cop. Not one that any self-respecting taxpayer would pay for, anyway. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

7. I Don't Have To Outrun The Bear

I only have to outrun you!

That was the sense i got. The girl is red is probably keeping her head low because there is a storm brewing. Her "diligence" may be self-preservation.

[HereSince1628]

8. Yes, just like the other gnu's...but that's not natural human behavior

We aren't that passive by nature, and we vigorously defend both territory and group members.

Families, gangs, dugouts full of baseball team-mates, or buddies in fox-holes, we defend our group members, or at least call for help. What we have is one soul making a video.

What we see there is at best learned cowering, the sort of thing that comes after exposure to -much- intimidation and enforcement of dominance hierarchy. No cohesion of group evidenced by shared defense or even objection.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. We're Agreeing Here

I think the girl in red you pointed out is staying "on task" because she doesn't want the storm to come her way. She's pre-emptively protecting herself.

I think we both see that.

[monicaangela]

11. I saw an interview

on MSNBC with the girl that did stand up and call this cop and the adults in the room out. Guess what happened to her. She was arrested, and was accompanied by her lawyer while giving the interview last night. Remember, those are children in that classroom, children who are afraid of the police. Children who don't wish to have anything to do with the police because as black kids, they know where just saying that isn't right is going to lead. Sad situation in this nation when we train kids to be obedient to tyrants like this because we realize they can easily be killed with impunity if they don't. Sad, sad indeed.

[Punx]

15. +1

Well said.

[monicaangela]

42. THANK YOU!

[Punx]

13. This cop

Had a reputation (Well Deserved Apparently!) with the students as dangerous. The students were undoubtedly scared and acting in a way to not draw attention to themselves. Exception of course to the student who took the video, and of course she was punished for it.

[brush]

25. More info has come out on the brutalizing cop. He's got a rep for slamming students

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The other kids in the class know this and apparently don't to be a target as well.

One female student did stand up and protest and was arrested by the brutalizing cop also which just shows that the kids are well aware of what that cop is capable of.

[1monster]

32. The one girl who verbally protested what the officer did was arrested by the same

viper (why malign pigs by calling jerks that after them) who brutalized the girl in the desk.

Since the sheriff said that neither the teacher or the vice principal saw anything wrong with what the viper did, then I'd guess that "discipline" at that school is very harsh.

[Lizzie Poppet]

39. I noticed the same thing.

To me, their lack of reaction didn't say "business as usual" so much as it said "I am NOT getting caught up in this shit."

But yeah, you might expect at least some protective reaction. There was none. I suspect a combination of factors: fear of the resource officer in his cop version of "battle rattle," the fact that the girl is a new arrival at the school (thus not fully a part of the group), and possibly her not being well-liked (totally speculative, of course, but that lack of reaction often indicates that the individual being attacked is to some degree ostracized).

[jwirr]

48. I took the stillness to mean that they knew what was going

on but did not want to escalate the violence. I wonder if even one of those boys would have stood up or said anything if the good old gun would have come into play? The kids in that room have been witnessing the violence for years now. They knew it could be worse.

As I watched the two boys with their backs to the camera it looked to me as if they were deliberately holding themselves in. You say situation normal and you could be right but not in the way you are saying - this cop was known for his violence and this whole room of kids knew it. They were rightfully scared.

Cuddos to the very brave young woman who recorded this for us to see.

[Scootaloo]

54. Who's first in line to get shot? That's what would happen

It's not the class' fault. It's the cop's.

[HereSince1628]

56. I don't think I said it's that kids' fault.

The issue is pretty clear evidence the school environment is producing behavior that is deviant from human nature.

[deutsey]

63. Niya Kenny, another student who was arrested, tells what happened to her

NIYA KENNY: I was in disbelief. I know this girl don’t got nobody, and I couldn’t believe this was happening. I had never seen nothing like that in my life, like a man use that much force on a little girl—a big man, like 300 pounds of full muscle. I was like, "No way, no way." Like, you can’t do that to no little girl. I’m talking about, she’s like 5’6". And I was screaming, "What the F? What the F? Is this really happening?" I was praying out loud for the girl. And I just—I couldn’t believe it was happening. I was just crying, and he was like, "Well, since you got so much to say, you’re coming, too." And I was like, "What?" And he—"What? You want some of this?" M-mm, just put my hands behind my back.

[HereSince1628]

64. Yes, the guy is a monster, but at least her behavior was more typical of humans.

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My observation is that the behavior that's available to be seen -is not- typical human behavior.

No one sits reading their laptop as a peer at the desk immediately in front of them is dumped on her head and as a leg of the overturning desk crashes into their own. They at least pay attention and assume postures to physically protect themselves. The girl in red didn't move until after the desk crashed into hers. Not normative or expected human behavior.

Which is why I say that video contains evidence that should make viewers rather more suspect that there is a more widespread and a longer pattern of abuse and intimidation going on in that school. Yes, the kids didn't want to get involved, yes, likely because they had been subjected to much previous intimidation and abuse and didn't want -that- coming their way. That's not normative.

The story goes the principal and the teacher, who were apparently present during the assault, didn't think anything happened that was unwarranted.

That place really should be investigated for a pattern of wrecking kids. That place is a carbuncle on American education that needs to be lanced.

[deutsey]

65. I was just posting the story of what she saw

and how she got busted for basically doing nothing.

[rbrnmw]

6. K&R

[monicaangela]

9. The contrast in the picture and video

you posted is stunning, eye opening, and should give pause to every person that has an opportunity to see it. We live in a nation where white privilege runs rampant. Think for a minute if that photo you posted had been a photo of a group of black citizens. What do you imagine would have happened?

In regards to the "police officer" if you can call him that, this is an outrage under any circumstances. An unarmed teenager sitting in a school desk refusing to obey orders requires this amount of force? WTF? Has the world gone completely insane? Where is this girls parents, why weren't they called if the school couldn't handle this situation? Why isn't this guy in jail?

You know if this girls parents had showed up to the school and did exactly the same thing this cop did, they would be in jail at this very moment. The police in this nation have too much power, and it is being directed mainly at black and brown people. Is this an order they have been given by the powers that be? Have they been told to attack black people at every opportunity, or is this nation just so racist that these people believe this type of behavior is justified? This is ridiculous.

And, for those who say those that organize and work for the Black Lives Matter organization should tone it down or even go away in some cases, I say, this is exhibit A along with many other assaults, murders, and the like that have been filmed. There remains no doubt as to the harassment, etc., that some citizens of this nation have to put up with and it needs to be brought to the attention of those fair minded people who realize this is wrong. This isn't something that has been occurring just recently, this has been going on in this nation since the Civil War ended. Time to put an end to this.

[brush]

26. I completely agree. And welcome to DU.

[monicaangela]

43. THANK YOU brush!!

Nice of you to welcome me to the site, I am enjoying myself so far.

[progressoid]

61. Welcome.

And keep a thick skin. Primary season gets a little messy around here.

[monicaangela]

62. Thanks progressoid...

Don't worry about me, messy is to my skin as water is to a ducks feathers.

[Orrex]

12. What would happen if a student body-slammed another student that way?

Suspension? Undoubtedly.
Expulsion? Very possibly.
Arrest? Also very likely.
Mandatory psychological counseling? Almost certainly.

But a cop? Well, what else could he do? She was black, after all, and she probably failed to show proper deference.

[blackspade]

16. +1000

[Rex]

34. But it is a guy with a gun and badge, so whatever he does is the right thing.

Anyone standing up, horrified by his actions will be arrested for showing non-compliance. The State must be respected at all cost, even at the cost of a child's life. The State comes first, then civil rights donchaknow!

[Orrex]

36. Well, that's true. Uber alles, etc.

Frankly I'm stunned that they've taken action against this asshole so quickly. I assumed, as in the many other cases, that there would be lengthy internal review before they sternly asked him not to almost murder any children anymore.

[Township75]

14. Sounds like being armed to combat an oppressive government worked then

At least according to what happened here

[hunter]

18. Yep, every kid in school should have a gun...

... and teachers too.

There'd be nothing left of that bad cop but a bloody pile of lead-tainted meat.

Guns and violence solve all problems. Am I right?

[erronis]

23. My thoughts too. Maybe nothing semi-automatic until 4th grade....

[Township75]

33. Except for the advanced placed students but race often plays a role there too

Who is selected as advanced often tilts towards white and Asian.

[librechik]

19. Remember this?

obviously, it's the rules!

[monicaangela]

45. I thought of that too...

They allowed that cop to resign with pension, etc. He should have been made an example of and maybe some of this would stop. I truly hope the officer that assaulted the girl in the classroom doesn't get off that easy.

[Amimnoch]

20. You know, one of these times, I'd kind of like to see a social experiment done:

Take a situation like this, have it reenacted by a black cop actor and a white student actor, and put it out there like that first...

Does anyone... at all.. have any doubt that the public outrage would be HUGE???? A black cop doing that exact same thing to a white teenage girl would bring extreme outrage.. especially from the right.

This cop should get a long jail sentence, required rehabilitation and anger management course completion, a full anger management profile done prior to his ever being allowed to be released, and barred for life from ever being in a role of authority with, or even near minors ever again.

[Bettie]

29. A white girl from an affluent family

and that cop would be sitting in jail AND fired.

[mountain grammy]

21. Wow, that pretty much sums it up

without a thousand words.. K&R.

[GummyBearz]

24. That cop sure takes education seriously

He must have been a strait A student with multiple degrees and acceptance into all kinds of ivy league grad schools. I mean, he wasn't even a student, but made sure no other students were bothered by a disruptor. What a guy

[Bettie]

27. You also find myriad reasons

why the "patriots" who were hoping to shoot some federal employees are heroic.

Then, you come up with reasons why the cop who threw the girl is the "real victim".

It makes me angry that in most of these cop violence cases, the victim suddenly gets reversed and so many, even here on DU are saying "oh, that poor cop...".

WTF?

[ileus]

31. and we consider disarming people to be a progressive value.

[lpbk2713]

35. School Resource Officer.

Is that one of their resources?

Roughing up the students?

It looks like they think of them more as inmates than students.

[Shankapotomus]

37. That was the first thing I thought too

This is a prison-grade response.

[doc03]

51. He could have just grabbed the chair and

pulled her out of the room, he bench pressed like 600 pounds.

[Trajan]

53. He could have also done nothing ...

If she wasn't disrupting the class, then they could have just ignored her, let her go home, and then suspend her, notifying her parents by phone ...

Lots of ways they could have dealt with this ...they chose wrongly

[Enthusiast]

52. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

Excellent post!

[Shankapotomus]

57. No

The top picture is what happens when the bottom picture hardly ever happens to the people in the top picture.

[cui bono]

59. OMG...

I had not seen the video until now.

What an authoritarian asshole. This shit needs to stop.