Sheriff says.."Student Started It"

[Stuart G]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Let's look at that story...basically the sheriff said the student was very "rude and extremely disrespectful" .....Well woopdee dooooooo!!!!!!

That what students are. I had many rude and disrespectful students. Part of the job. A number of "fuck you" and variations on that... One student called me a "prick", but in a foreign language..He was so sure I didn't know what he was saying. Guess what, I did some research on that language and bad words. I took him to the Assisstant Principal in charge of discipline..and the father came up. I told the father what happened and the father looked at that kid like he was going to kill him. He could not believe his son was that disrespectful.
I did not start a fight with the disrespectful teens in my classes. I wrote them up, or sent them to the person in charge.. I followed up, and if they didn't go, that was even worse. You know, sure the students started it. I got called a lot of things, but I didn't ever touch a student, or say "Fuck You " back at them. Strange job, not part of the job description, but part of it anyway.

The sheriff is an idiot. Students start lots of things. Cheating, stealing, bad mouths, fights, lots of awful stuff, right in the class. You learn how to handle most if not all, or you get out of teaching. The sheriff was almost saying ..it was ok to do something physical to the kid, but not that much...Well it was not ok . Many cops know how to handle these things without violence in front of a class. ................end of rant............

[Daninmo]

1. yep

The officer screwed up. He should have emptied the classroom, then told the girl that if she doesn't leave, she will be arrested for trespass. Since the teacher and administration told her to leave, the cop could arrest her from what I am told. Then if she resisted arrest or got violent, he would have had better grounds.

I still would like to see more of the video before the scuffle.

[Stuart G]

2. You may not know this but this disrespect of cops and teachers happens all the time in schools.

Yes....ALL THE TIME.. cops and teacher almost always, handle the situations..


...are you ready.......without violence.....yea....without violence or handling the students...we wait, and it is over...often, no one is arrested...what the hell. These things happen in almost all schools. good, bad and ugly..no justification for what the cop did, and if you talk to the cops in schools, they will tell you the same thing...The sheriff is an idiot for saying that.

[hollysmom]

5. I don't think anyone should be arrested for having a fit like that,

heck kids are arrested way too much. then tell her you are calling her parents to pick her up, that usually gets kids moving.

[1939]

8. There was a longer video posted taken from the other side of the room

There was a long period of speaking by the officer (sound was bad and couldn't make out what he was saying) before it got physical and then the kid taking the video lost the picture. He did give her a lot of warning. .

[Denzil_DC]

17. Did he warn her that he'd throw her around the room if she didn't comply? n/t

[trumad]

19. Keep hearing of this phantom video...

Haven't seen it yet.

[1939]

21. I saw it yesterday but didn't take note of it

I just tossed it out there because someone asked about a longer video up thread.

[trumad]

25. Again...it ain't real until we see it.

[1939]

29. Your choice

I am not going searching the net for you.

[trumad]

36. Because you won't find it.

[1939]

37. Here

#t=64

[trumad]

38. long period?

Bullshit---you call that long?

[1939]

39. Longer than the other versions.

It does show him speaking to her, telling her what to do, moving her lap top to another table, and taking her hand to lead her out of the classroom. Then she begins to resist and he goes ape. The versions on the net all begin with him going for a head lock. It is a longer version and does show that he gave her a chance.

[Rex]

44. Doesn't really matter what you say, he had no right to abuse her and break her bones.

Why do people always take the side of a brutal cop? I think those people make America suck bad. They never care about the victim and always pretend cops never do any wrong. Good thing that is not you.

[Art_from_Ark]

60. Would you have been fine with this if it had been your daughter or granddaughter?

[Rex]

45. When people protect a roided up cop, I always hope that they don't have any kids.

Since they don't seem to be a part of this reality, you can only hope they don't share their misery with small ones.

[LanternWaste]

23. "it" didn't get physical, only he did.

Even four years of speaking and warnings would not warrant his reaction. And "it" didn't get physical, only he did.

[doc03]

26. Bullshit if me or you treated our own kid that way we would be in

jail. If an officer treated your kid like that you wouldn't think it was excessive? If that was my kid and that guy wasn't a cop I would be at his door calling him out. I have never heard what she had done to start with. What started the incident? The cop is a fucking thug.

[JimDandy]

53. 18 seconds. And so thoughtful of him to not harm

the school laptop.

[WinkyDink]

46. ARRESTED??? OFGS. That's plain insane.

[beevul]

3. That sheriff needs some schooling himself...

That sheriff needs some schooling himself, at the university of reality:

Let's look at that story...basically the sheriff said the student was very "rude and extremely disrespectful"

The sheriff needs a lesson in respect. Respect is earned, mister LEO. And, it is no more earned through your training, than mine is earned because I was trained in geometrical dimension and tolerancing. Its earned from your behavior during interactions with the people who pay your salary.

And obviously, being 'rude and disrespectful' is no crime.

[Stuart G]

4. Yep, what you said in the last sentence, says it all....no text..

[Daninmo]

9. I dunno

"And obviously, being 'rude and disrespectful' is no crime."

try being 'rude and disrespectful' to a judge in a courtroom , see how that works out.

[Stuart G]

11. You are correct, but...in a high school today. at this moment.

There isn't the decorum that exists in a courtroom. It really isn't the same in my opinion...

[A HERETIC I AM]

14. It depends on the context

Contempt of Court is a real offense, punishable at the whim of the judge.

Contempt of Cop is a made up offense, punishable at the whim of the cop.

[beevul]

18. Try being rude and disrespectful to someone on their home court...

Try being rude and disrespectful to someone on their home court, where they can arbitrarily throw you in jail without a trial?

If a hypothetical judge were called a jackass in the court room, and he was indeed being a jackass, finding the individual in contempt and jailing him, doesn't mean he wasn't a jackass deserving no respect.

It means he was a jackass and didn't like it being pointed out, and used arbitrary power to strike out at the people hes sworn to protect the rights of, and he should NOT be respected as an individual.

Never confuse understanding the power an individual can wield, with respect for that individual.

[LanternWaste]

24. Worked for me. Sarcasm, done deftly, can often go unnoticed until too late.

Worked for me. Sarcasm, done deftly, can often go unnoticed until too late.

[doc03]

27. The judge wouldn't physically through you across the courtroom. The asshole cop

could bench press 600 pounds, he could have just grabbed the chair and pulled her out of the room?

[beevul]

33. He could have carried it with one arm to the hall if he tried. N/T

[jwirr]

30. Rude and disrespectful. He became violent when his damned

ego is pricked. IMO police today have an exaggerated sense of power. They cannot stand to be disobeyed and the only way they know how to handle that is violence.

And to be honest TPTB are giving them that power to protect their own interests. To control the little people so that TPTB are never challenged. By treating this girl this way that cop was teaching that whole class a lesson - respect or else. And it was not the first time he had done so.

The young lady had some real life problems and both the teacher and the cop either did not know or did not care. She needed help and love - not being beaten down.

And in case TPTB and the cop do not know it - the lesson learned in that class that day was not the one they wanted to teach. I would guess the lesson was one of anger and disrespect. Well earned disrespect.

[beevul]

31. Well said, well said indeed.

I agree completely with every bit of your post, words and sentiments.

And in case TPTB and the cop do not know it - the lesson learned in that class that day was not the one they wanted to teach. I would guess the lesson was one of anger and disrespect. Well earned disrespect.

The lesson taught that day, in addition to what you said, was simply this:

Authority is not to be trusted to do the right thing.

These kids will have a view toward authority that is forever shaped by this event.

[jwirr]

34. Exactly.

[MohRokTah]

6. Respect must be earned.

This sheriff obviously did not deserve respect.

[hollysmom]

7. and my mother's answer to me when my younger brothers harrassed me was

and you are older, No hitting them.

[Stuart G]

10. I guess your mom is smarter than either the cop or the sheriff

Hey...let's hear it for her....

[hollysmom]

12. I miss her so much

in the end when I had to take care of her, we became besties. But I wish she had not started telling me about her sex life, still when someone is having strokes, you never know what is going to come out.

[pintobean]

13. He fired the cop

Rightfully so. The asshole cop's actions didn't erase the student's actions.

[gratuitous]

15. I hope to shout that the student started it

As bad as Officer Unfriendly acted, I should hope that it isn't a routine part of the school day to have beefy ragers flipping students in their desks. But I don't know that for sure.

It's an odd thing I learned from the Christian Peacemaker Teams: When you eliminate violence as an option for dealing with a difficult situation, you can come up with all kinds of creative ways to get to resolution. The problem with keeping violence as an option is that it never is the last resort, but quickly moves up the list until it's the first resort, as in this case.

Officer Unfriendly is summoned, golem-like, to deal with "rude and extremely disrespectful" student. He tries what has already failed at least twice before (ordering the girl around) and when it fails again (big surprise there), goes violent. He lost his job, and should have lost his job.

Maybe the school administrators and faculty need to sit down and have a little meeting about what other options are available to them that don't involve flipping students over in their desks. They're supposed to be the grown-ups here; they should be able to think up better solutions than a five-year-old bully.

[Retrograde]

16. True, but the officer is an adult and should be held to a higher standard

If I were assigning blame it would be 10% student, 90% officer. Wasn't his whole purpose for being in the school to keep incidents from escalating like this?

[beevul]

32. "...should be held to a higher standard..."

"...should be held to a higher standard..."

Not just a higher standard, but a standard several tiers higher.

First hes an adult. That's the first tier he failed.

Second, he has been endowed with power based on the public trust.

That's the second tier he failed.

This fella should never be in power over kids, and never be allowed to LEO anywhere else.


Hes proven for all to see that hes unable to do either in any way that could be accurately described as 'responsible'.

[lpbk2713]

20. They will usually say something along those lines.

... after hearing from their legal counsel.

They soon find out a lot of money will change hands if they even suggest their agency was at fault. And they are at fault when they hire uncontrollable brutes and bullies.

[Rex]

22. Of course he said that. I would fall out of my chair if they actually told the truth for ONCE!

The poor kid lost her mom and was just put in foster care...but that DOESN'T MATTER! NOPE! COMPLY!

COMPLY OR DIE!

[notadmblnd]

28. Sounds to me like the teacher escalated the situation

I wonder if it was a sub?

[RebelOne]

35. My daughters high school teacher at a charter school in Hialeah, FL

The majority of her students are Hispanic since Hialeah is mostly Cuban. Many of the students have said vulgar things to her in Spanish. She was born and raised in Miami and understands Spanish as the students soon learn after they are sent to the principal's office.

[davidpdx]

41. I'd strongly urge you to remove the name of the city above for the protection of yourself

and your daughter (or better yet self-delete the post). The city isn't that large (about the size of the city I lived in before coming to Korea). There are a lot of fucking crazies out there and given the amount of information you are providing it seems dangerous. I'm not trying to be offensive, I would just worry about too much personal information being out there about yourself and your family.

[Stuart G]

49. I agree. The crazies out there are very very bad.

They believe that God is on their side. That violence is ok under any circumstances since their God approves. Be careful please

[Lee-Lee]

40. She started it, sure. The teacher, administrator and finally the deputy all escalated it

The teacher escalated it by calling in the administrator right then instead of dealing with it after class.

The adminstrator was evidently just as incompetent at dealing with a child acting like a brat as the teacher was and felt that a stubborn child was a matter worthy of law enforcement intervention and called the deputy.

The deputy escalated it far quicker than was required under the circumstance. Once he was called in he was expected by the school admin station to remove her, and he more or less works for them as an SRO so the adminstrator who called him in knew that they were calling him in to use force. Eventually when you have a noncompliant person you have to lay hands on them to get compliance- when there is no danger of them harming themselves or others you start with "soft hands" and guiding the person where you want them by the arm or even grabbing the back of their shirt and moving them out- you don't go direct from talking to what level to force he went to when a person is not violent or a danger and is just being passively noncompliant.

Everyone at every step in this process shouldn't have escalated like they did, they all need to be fired.

[WinkyDink]

48. "She started it." Started WHAT?? Did she pull a gun or knife? Threaten a fellow student? Move

aggressively towards anyone?

NO.

[Stuart G]

51. The sheriff proves utter stupidity and insensitivity. WinkyDink is 100 percent correct!!

[Lee-Lee]

56. Your missing my point

She started the incident by being disruptive in class and not listening to the teacher- that's not in dispute.

A whole series of irresponsible adults kept escalating the incident way beyond what it started as and way beyond the response it deserved.

[WinkyDink]

58. Your very wording STILL with "She started it" shows YOU are missing THE point. WERE YOU NEVER

"DISRUPTIVE"? Never talked out of turn?

I was a h. s. teacher, I had some kids refuse initially to hand over electronic devices, put away other work, not do this or that that wasn't the lesson at hand.

Not handing over a cell-phone is actually NOT "disruptive"; it is simply "against the rules." THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

[Orrex]

42. When a small girl conveys a vaguely saucy attitude, what else can a man do?

Obviously he has no choice by to beat her into submission, especially when she's half his size.

Having watched the vid a number of times now, it occurs to me that he could easily have killed her by clipping her head on the desk behind her, by snapping her neck when he flipped her backward, or by cracking her skull on the hard tile as he dumped her to the floor.

And it's fortunate that her fellow student had the sense to film it; otherwise the victim would likely have been arrested for assaulting the asshole who tried to maim her.


A horrible, horrible story from start to finish. I hope that she never has to work another day in her life, and I hope that that asshole scores some serious jail time.

[TipTok]

43. It's odd that he continues to defend him after firing him...

Weird...

[WinkyDink]

47. To those who give ONE SCINTILLA of benefit to the cop: STHU NOW. That child was CLEARLY NON-VIOLENT.

THE FASCIST COP THREW HER DOWN WITH THE DESK ON TOP OF HER. WHAT THE BLOODY HELL EXCUSE CAN ANYONE GIVE FOR THAT ASSAULT??

"Oh, we didn't see the full context." STHU!!

[GoCubsGo]

50. Pssssttt,,,,Sheriff, this isn't your grade school playground.

Grow up, asshole. You're supposed to be the adult here. Adults don't go around saying, "Whaaaa! She started it!" You ninny!

[fredamae]

52. Dear Sheriff- You do realize

Most Understand; Bullies Always Blame the Victim!

[Stuart G]

54. Thank you for saying that..."Bullies Always Blame the Victim" !!!! The Truth...

[Person 2713]

55. No adult in the room so sad

[librechik]

57. She put the phone away. She didn't do anything wrong. That's all she was saying.

She didn't want to go to the principal, because she didn't do anything wrong!

Even babies have a sense of right and wrong. She was standing up for her rights.

It was ALL about the stupid adults in the room who didn't like her defiance to their foolishness.

[LostOne4Ever]

59. What is that Sheriff? A six year old?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=indigo]It doesn't matter who started it, violence against a CHILD like that is never appropriate.

[font size=5 color=crimson]A Grown up Should Know That.[/font]

There was no grown up there that day and those defending this idiot have the maturity of a child. [/font]

[Skittles]

61. that would be OK if the two people in question were 5-year olds