Attention ALL WOMEN....(NOT meant to be derogative to Women)

[randys1]

If any candidate from the GOP is elected to the White House.


For any reason, like if not enough liberals show up to vote either because they cant vote for their preferred candidate

OR

because the GOP has broken the law and prevented them from voting, at that point

BEN CARSON or DONALD TRUMP will be in charge of ALL Women's bodies.

ALL WOMEN will no longer have ANY say in what happens to their bodies.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

carry on

(My OP title was not well thought out and to SINCERE people I apologize... I am speaking to people who need to hear that NOT voting for the dem candidate is really bad for Women...something I shouldnt have to actually say, but)

[mcar]

1. Thanks for ruining my sleep tonight

Anyone who won't vote for the Dem nominee should be forced to watch these debates over and over.

[Boomer]

2. Thanks, I didn't know that

Now I have a reason to vote for the Democrat, an option which would never have occurred to me before.

[randys1]

3. Glad to be of service.

[Boomer]

10. Next time....

You could post a notice to all gay people telling them about Ben Carson's views on homosexuality, 'cause you know we never keep up with this stuff ourselves.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Have you not seen the number of DUers ...

LGBT and Women, included, pledging to not vote, if their preferred candidate isn't the Democratic nominee?

[Bluenorthwest]

49. I've seen a few, you always do. Some won't. Some always don't. But in a primary it's primarily a

matter of negotiation, many people don't have the basic grasp on the process nor respect for one another so they have to carry on and on as if they had actual principles.

LGBT people have spent their entire lives voting for one straight after another, each more bogus, bigoted and half ass pious than the last, preaching and prancing with their clerical friends, the Ricky Poo Warrens and the Donnie 'we are at war with the gays' McClurkin. I am basically your age and have yet to be offered the chance to vote for even one fucking nominee who has not trash talked my family. Any votes you straight people get from us are a gift, an act of grace undeserved by this Party or any of the candidates they have thus far nominated. No one is owed our votes, and too many Hillary pushers have already insulted along those lines.

I'm about sick of this entire bullying bullshit from the same people who refused to stand up with us when we were fighting for equality. Not allies then and not fit to advise now.

[PotatoChip]

55. +1000

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. I, largely, agree ...

I can say the same thing.

[Boomer]

84. Your concern is duly noted

However, the basic problem is that your OP is most unlikely to change any minds. You're lecturing us as if women have never ever considered what you're saying, as if you're presenting new insights that will transform their previous beliefs.

In that sense it's a condescending and ineffective message. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but it was the effect nonetheless. There are few people on DU, an intensely political forum, that would be so incredibly naïve as to find what you said to be new and therefore persuasive.

If you're to change hearts and mind, you have to listen more closely to the frustrations of the women you claim aren't going to vote. You then have to approach them in a manner that does not heavily imply you are bringing them Truths they were too stupid to know until you Mansplained them.

Personally, I agree with you. But I'm not the audience you're trying to reach.

[1StrongBlackMan]

85. I think I've responded to the wrong comment. eom.

[Squinch]

4. And THIS is basically the issue that I will vote on, which means

I will vote for ANY Democrat from the current field over ANY Republican from the current field.

And I resent and disrespect anyone who is talking about staying home if their primary candidate doesn't win.

This idea that there is no difference between the parties is crap.

[randys1]

6. THanks, someone other than myself needs to say this from time to time

[Squinch]

11. Thank you for saying it this time.

I have recently begun posting again after taking a break for over a year, and I notice that many who used to say this are now gone. Very sad.

Thank you for keeping the flag visible.

[smirkymonkey]

14. Thank YOU!

The lamest Democrat is STILL better than the best republican. At least given the choices we have out there right now.

[cwydro]

52. Yup.

Once again I'm with you.

[smirkymonkey]

63. +1000

[BlueJazz]

5. Don't forget, a lot of us men will be pissed off at the whole scenario also.

Women's rights are everybody's rights

[demmiblue]

8. Thank you. n/t

[jwirr]

20. Thank you. Too often we see women's issues as only about

women. But men a very involved in the creation of children and sexuality. I doubt that there are many men who want to go back to the days when families were so big that the family could not support all of them.

I had a friend who was on her 9th child because she and her husband were against abortion. She ended up divorced and alone because the kids blamed her for everything. The only way they made it was with food stamps, welfare and free college. He had a good Union job but even then a family of 11 is a lot of people to feed.

[demmiblue]

7. Well, thanks for the mansplaining, I guess.

What is next? Attention ALL BLACK PEOPLE.

Your post should read: Attention ALL PEOPLE...

We are ALL affected by these policies.

I get the gist of your message, but it is kind of offensive.

[Squinch]

12. Did you forget a sarcasm smilie?

[boston bean]

32. Lordy knows, women don't get to be considered as a group.

And they don't get to gather in numbers for equality, or band together for change, or voice their issues or dissent . That is MISANDRY!



And Good to see you!

[Squinch]

43. Will no one consider the poor men?????

The ones who are uncomfortable about the fact that Republicans are trying to take away women's ownership of their own bodies? This is really hard for those men!!! What about them???? Stop talking about women and pay attention to the men!!!

And, back at you!

[randys1]

15. I should have said attention all so called liberals, because my point was not enough people

here understand that their desire to see their candidate and ONLY their candidate win, has repercussions for Women, Gay and Black

but yes, it appears like I am lecturing Women when that isnt at all what I meant to do

I meant to be OBNOXIOUS and make a point

[Squinch]

44. It didn't appear to me that you were lecturing women. I suppose the people objecting

are going to say that this is akin to the "All people of color and LGBT people owe me an explanation" OP.

It isn't anything like that. If someone believes the two things are similar, they are pretty dumb.

[randys1]

46. I am known here for being a feminist, nobody is confused...i did title it wrong, though

[Squinch]

48. I thought the title was fine. And you're right. No one is confused.

And really? There are still posters to whom we need to be explaining the role of the supreme court in maintaining women's control over their bodies? There is no end to the ways that these people can be disappointing.

[peacebird]

9. Well we could always elect "We came, we saw, he died", the one who lied about sniper fire

Or we could elect an honest authentic man of the people, who will work for the people instead of the corporations, Wall Street and the 1%

Novel idea, I know.

[Codeine]

13. The women of DU had no clue, I'm sure.

Poor little dears; too busy with darning socks and making sammiches to pay attention to complicated stuff like politics.

[cwydro]

16. I actually don't fear that Trump will harm women.

He was a Dem before he made the switch.

A lot of his views are pretty liberal.

But I don't want anyone other than a Dem in the White House.

[IVoteDFL]

17. What about the dead women in Iraq?

Or the ones on death row. I'm free to vote for anyone I choose to, or not vote for a presidential candidate at all. My state will not go for a Republican, it hasn't in my entire lifetime plus a decade.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. In the same boat.

I don't have to hold my nose and vote for a Third Way corporatist because no way my state's electors are going to the Republican.

[jwirr]

21. I live in a state where I also have that liberty. I will of course

vote down ticket because our state needs to stay liberal.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. What does the DFL in your screen name represent? n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

51. That's the Democratic Farm Labor Party, which is the Democratic Party in MN. DFL, like Al Franken

nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. Oh. Thanks. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

87. I'm on the other side of that equation.

My state hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since Lyndon Baines Johnson. I can vote for, or write in, whomever I please.

[LanternWaste]

19. Your rather clear and obvious point is certainly getting lost

A rather clear and obvious point is certainly getting lost among peevish responses that desire righteous pique and rare offense much more than clarity, yet offer little more than mordancy in return.

[Squinch]

22. Yes! What's with the non sequiturs and all the "What about the menz!" posts?

This is ridiculous. The trolls are really taking over the cabana.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

23. Aside from the fact that no President

has the power to do what you claim Carson or Trump would do (remember Congress?), it is somewhat insulting to women to assume that they don't already know that a Republican in the White House would be worse for them than a Democrat.

[randys1]

24. You are of course WRONG , prez will appoint SC justice who will reverse Roe

i should NOT Have to GOD DAMN explain this on DU

and I already admitted I titled this wrong, I was not lecturing Women but using them to make a point

my bad

EVERYBODY who has read ANYTHING I have ever posted here would know I was not talking down to Women, but that I am often guilty of mis phrasing, sure

[SickOfTheOnePct]

25. Supreme Court justices have to be confirmed by the Senate

And there's no need to shout - try to get your emotions under control.

[randys1]

26. Well, you were wrong so I thought I had to shout to make that point...

Hey, if Women dying in back alleys is no big problem to some folks, so be it.

Big deal to me, like the right to vote, so I wont shut up about it.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

31. No, I wasn't wrong

No President has the power to overturn Roe v. Wade, period. No President has the power to take over women's bodies, period.

As for your ludicrous statement about no one caring about women dying back alleys, that's just another example of your continually overwrought state of mind while posting.

I suggest you read the story about the boy who cried "Wolf!" too many times. While there are real dangers to having a Republican President, your exaggerations about what a Carson or a Trump could actually do in office are ludicrous, and do nothing to further the causes that you claim, constantly and loudly, to care about.

[NaturalHigh]

33. The right to vote is a pretty big deal to all of us.

We don't need more "randy" theatrics to GOTV, and women understand the issues just fine without you talking down to them.

[Squinch]

50. So Randy isn't allowed to do GOTV posts? Those are bad things now?

Because no one seems to mind when others do them.

What he is saying shouldn't be a cause of contention.

[bravenak]

27. Hi.

[randys1]

34. Hi, I just got the seal of approval from a well known poster, you know the kind

if they dont like something you did you KNOW you are doing something right

[bravenak]

35. Oh yeah. I get that constantly.

It's funny.

[randys1]

36. I was also just told to shut the hell up about repubs being bad for Women

[SickOfTheOnePct]

41. Hmm...

I just did a search on this thread, and the only one on it that mentions "shut up" is you...did the post get deleted where you were told to shut up?

[NaturalHigh]

28. What an obnoxious, condescending OP.

Women don't need you to tell them how to vote.

[Squinch]

58. You think it's obnoxious and condescending? I don't.

[giftedgirl77]

37. Great post!

[randys1]

39. thanks...i thought so LOL

[giftedgirl77]

40. Meh, you know how the perpetually outraged can get.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

42. There's only one perpetually outraged poster on this thread

and it's not anyone that is calling out randy.

[Squinch]

45. You seem upset.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

47. Nope, not upset in the least

Just calling 'em like I see 'em.

[giftedgirl77]

59. Randy isn't upset, he's concerned with the simple fact

that it gets repeated like a mantra that people aren't going to vote if their fave isn't elected. For many ppl they need to look outside their bubble & realize it's not all about them. There's a lot more at stake. eom

[Initech]

38. Butter!!! Butter here!!! Who needs some? I've got all kinds!

[restorefreedom]

53. wow, haven't seen one of these in a few days...

well, we had a pretty good run i suppose

seriously, though, r v w is not going anywhere, if that is the concern. doesn't matter who the pres is. it is not in danger despite the right wingers stomping their feet regularly.

[Squinch]

64. WTF?

There are huge swaths of this country where abortion is not available today due to those right wingers "stomping their feet." There are hundreds of thousands of women for whom abortion is not an option because of that foot stomping. The supreme court justices appointed by a president have EVERYTHING to do with whether women get to own their own bodies.

Jesus, where have you people been?

[restorefreedom]

65. roe v wade is not in danger

the challenges to abortion rights are coming from state legislatures. the president has nothing to do with it

[Squinch]

66. The supreme court has to do with it. The president will decide the makeup of the supreme court.

A Republican majority court will do everything it can to abolish abortion. You are correct in pointing out that wherever they have been able, Republican majority courts in the states have gone to ridiculous lengths and passed obviously absurd laws in their efforts to abolish abortions. A Republican majority supreme court will be no different.

[restorefreedom]

67. i think the repubs would WANT them to

but r v w is such entrenched law, even if, over time, enough justices were there to overturn it, there would continue to be legal battles and injunctions filed. the blue states would be ok, and people in the red states would file some kind of motion, maybe a civil rights motion that you can't have people in some states get rights that people from other states don't get, like marriage equality. worst case scenario, the next congressional elections would bring in a wave of progressives that would pass some kind of new law protecting all women. there would always be a clause protecting life of mother, and yes, worst case scenario, for a period of time there may be some states where abortion could not be had for reason other than saving woman's life. but then you would have groups mobilizing to raise money for transport to a blue state during that time. and there would be a new law passed. not saying it would be pretty for a while, but even that outcome would be temporary and is the most extreme possibility. and from what i have read is exceedingly unlikely. the large majority of the country supports some form of choice, and even if for reasons of fear of losing their seats, i don't think congress will attempt this despite all of their theatrics. i think most of that is to get money from prolife groups so they have to sing the tune.

[Squinch]

68. So you are saying that, yes, the ability of women to have ownership over their own bodies is likely

to be taken away in even MORE places in the country, many more, and it "won't be pretty for a while".

It means that the self-determination of untold numbers of women (we are already in the hundreds of thousands, and you are willing to see that increase to god knows what number) will be flushed down the toilet for "a while," and to you that "won't be pretty." We've had that "not pretty." We know what that looks like. It uses a lot of hangers and knitting needles. It kills people.

But then, you're just real, real sure the pendulum will swing the other way. Because you think so.

It will destroy countless lives. But, hey, it's not that big a deal. It won't destroy your life.

The blindness and complacency and disrespect for the lives of others in your position are truly shocking, but somehow I feel certain that you are married to that position.

[restorefreedom]

69. you know nothing about my life

or what would affect it. i was sharing a very unlikely scenario that would represent the most extreme possible case. no one actually thinks it is going to happen. in the very very unlikely chance that it did, the results would be very short lived.

this is all speculation of an extreme case that no one thinks is going to happen.

as to the position you speak of, i don't know what you are talking about. i was sharing the cumulative speculation of what i have read on the issue.

but don't let that stop you from drawing conclusions and insulting others who just wanted to discuss the issue

have a nice evening

[Squinch]

78. And you know nothing about my life. What's your point with that?

The position I speak of is the one you are espousing: that the issue of abortion rights is no big deal because no one can seriously believe that the rights of a woman to control her own body will ever be taken away.

What you describe as unlikely is already happening. If "no one actually thinks its going to happen" they simply aren't paying attention to what is going on right under their noses.

This is not speculation. This is happening. Lives are being ruined right now. Countless more will be ruined if a Republican is able to stack the courts.

And pardon me if I don't have time for people who "just want to discuss the issue" as if it is just an intellectual exercise and no big deal, and who act as if it is simply silly to be concerned about the decisions that are taking place all around the country that take away our ownership of our own bodies.

[restorefreedom]

79. i didn't say it wasnt a big deal

i said that from what I read, there doesn't appear to be a real risk of permanent or long-term loss of women's rights at the federal level. an overturn of Roe v Wade will never stick. And if people are worried about things that are already happening, they need to focus on their local and state elections, because that's where things are changing, not the Supreme Court or on the federal level.

[Squinch]

81. And at the Supreme Court or federal level, their effects would be worse by multitudes of

magnitudes. And if we allow a Republican to be elected President, we will find out what its like to reap that whirlwind. And that's not unlikely. That's just about guaranteed, if we allow a Republican to be elected President. The President appoints those judges. So people need to focus on local, state and federal elections, and it is ignorant to say that federal elections are not important to this issue.

[restorefreedom]

82. they matter

but not as much as prochoice groups would like you to believe. prolife groups are not the only ones who need people to be concerned in order to raise money.

yeah, i am a cynic.

[Squinch]

83. Oh, FFS, you are really determined to characterize this as a piffle, aren't you?

Get a freaking clue. Your "sources" are telling you that things won't happen that are already happening, and you have decided that the life and death issue of the self-determination of half of the population is really just a minor fundraising scam.

I have nothing more to say to you.

[Thinkingabout]

54. I dont want to think about a republican president nominating a RW judge to the SC.

All of the dumb bills passed in the red states will become the law of the land.

[Squinch]

57. Yep. Exactly. But we have many in this thread saying that's not really a concern. They're idiots.

[CharlotteVale]

56. Thank you for your concern. It's heading that way anyway thanks to DWS's

incredibly useless efforts to get Democrats elected. I mean, she's Hillary pal, and yet she actually campaigned for Republicans so perhaps you should send her this post.

[boston bean]

60. Good post! Thanks, Randy!!

[stranger81]

70. Nice little country you have here.

Would be a shame if anything were to happen to it, am I rite?

[randys1]

73. What in the FUCK is this? EXPLAIN!

I might misunderstand it, I hope I do

I think you need to explain it though

[stranger81]

74. It was an attempt to get you to understand what you sound like.

It means that I, and others here, are tired of being beaten over the head with threats in an attempt to get us to vote for a candidate who will not advocate for our interests.

Get it now?

[ladyVet]

71. I'm not going to bullied or shamed into voting for the lesser of two evils anymore.

I'm sick of the "but the other side is worse" school of American politics. I've voted for Democrats for three decades because no matter how bad they were, there was seldom any other option.

This time, there is an option: the guy who actually represents the Democratic platform. The guy who wants to do all those things we say we want done. The guy who actually gets the whole picture.

And what do I hear? Not this time! The danger is too great! We have to pick a candidate who is just more of the same, with a prettier shell, because "they" will win if we don't.

Except, if we'd get off our asses and support that guy, you know, the one who will actually change things -- and others like him to support him in Congress and in the states -- we'll have real hope. Real change. Not Republican lite. Not conservative policies in a decade rather than a year.

I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some people. Are they so stupid they can't see that this is the time? Finally, we don't have to throw anybody under the bus to get a sane person in the White House. We don't have to tell anybody, "sorry, your day will come".

Or is this attitude so entrenched because it suits the people who are really running this country? They pay to cause disruption, here and elsewhere, to have poor people vote against their own self-interest, to have ethnic hatred, to have women beaten down, to have kids so disillusioned they don't even care any more.

Wake the fuck up, people. The end result is going to be a bloody revolution and the ensuing chaos that comes with it, or the beginning of a brighter day for the US and the rest of the world. Come voting day, it's going to be your choice.

All I know is, when I step behind that voting machine, my conscious will be clear. No matter what happens, I will have done the right thing. For once, I will not have voted for the lesser of two evils. I will not have voted for someone that doesn't represent me and my family.

I will lay my head down that night, and sleep knowing I voted for the person who would change the course of a nation. Will you be able to say the same?

[Lizzie Poppet]

80. Sing it, sistah!

Beautifully put!

While I'll keep a close eye on the polls here, I have the "luxury" of my vote not mattering much. My state is astronomically unlikely to go GOP in the General Election, and it's a winner-take-all state in terms of the Electoral Anachronism. While I strongly advocate the elimination of that institution, one of its few upsides for me is that I don't have to pinch my nose and vote for the least worse choice.

I've been willing to do that very thing many times in the past...but as you say, this time there's an actual progressive to vote for. I'm not ready to settle for anything less any more.

[CBGLuthier]

72. Is Obama in charge of all of them now? Was Bush in charge of all of them then?

I agree there are many bad things that can happen to many people if republicans take the white house but the notion that the constitution will be suspended and the president will own and control the bodies of all Americans sounds like the bullshit the RW said about president Obama.

[bunnies]

75. Im not sure why youre concerned about this.

I read here everyday about how hugely popular Hillary is. Everybody loves her. You have nothing to worry about.

[randys1]

76. NOt here you dont, the VAST majority of posters on DU are Bernie fans

[pnwmom]

86. You're playing dumb. Hillary is NOT popular on DU, and a number of short-sighted

Bernie people think they'll get people to vote for him by saying they won't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

This is the issue the OP is addressing.

[ismnotwasm]

77. Exactly

And why I would never consider not voting for the Dem nominee. I'll fight just as hard to get Sanders elected as I would Hillary or O'Malley