BREAKING:Russian airliner w/over 200 aboard crashes in the Sinai.(RT confirms)

[Are_grits_groceries]

@BBCBreaking:
Russian airliner reported missing has crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula, Egyptian prime minister says
https://t.co/YAsM2cyY83

The Russian company denies it has crashed but Egypt isn't backing down.
Sad....

RT is now confirming this.
@RT_com: UPDATE:
Russian passenger plane with over 220 onboard crashes over #sinai
https://t.co/kwkvHk3OV8 https://t.co/w6UOs5rtQh

[malaise]

1. Yep

Awful - hope this was a crash and it was not brought down like that Iranian aircraft years ago

[Behind the Aegis]

2. I am sure there are those chomping at the bit to blame this group or that group.

There will be the ones blaming Israel (The Mossad, Zionists, Jews). There will be those who will "know" (sans anything resembling proof) it was an act of terrorism by ISIL (or it's agents) because of the recent Russian intervention into the Syrian morass. Those who will claim it was the Egyptians for one reason or another (at the behest of the CIA, Israel, or who-the-fuck-ever). The possibility exists this was an accident, mechanical or otherwise.

I am hoping there are survivors. I hope those who may have lost loved ones get the support they need. I am hoping the rest of us get the information needed before condemning people.

[icymist]

3. Yup! The PPRuNe (Pro. Pilots Rumor and News) already mentions ISIL:

intitial report said :'Shortly after take off " would indicate a low altitude. But if Flight radar is to be trusted, it shows the "problem" occurring a FL330 followed by an extremely fast descent ...last reply FL280 .

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ISIS /al Qaeda lookalikes are running the show in the Sinai Peninsula.
If it is shot down by them, we are in for a rough ride....
Oh boy, yes... This could turn very ugly..

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/569907-breaking-news-airliner-missing-within-egyptian-fir.html

[Behind the Aegis]

5. That didn't take long!

Planes crashing within the first several minutes of a takeoff (and a landing) are the most common with mechanical errors. No need to wait for info because many already have their narrative and no amount of proof will deter them from agenda. I should check and see which ones are blaming Israel/Jews and the US.

[icymist]

7. Apparently, PPRuNe is talking about an 'eye witness' aircraft in the area?

Any information available from the alleged 'eye witness' aircraft?
This might at least reduce PPRuNe speculation.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/569907-breaking-news-airliner-missing-within-egyptian-fir-2.html

On edit: This got disappeared over there!

And then is posted again from another person!

ChissayLuke

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Some input, when available, from the two alleged 'eye witness' aircraft might help establish cause.
ChissayLuke is online now

[beam me up scottie]

4. This.

People should stop and think about the families before they use this tragedy to further any agenda.

[Behind the Aegis]

6. One would hope.

From the BBC, I read ambulances and rescue vehicles have already been dispatched. I am hoping they find survivors.

[beam me up scottie]

8. I just heard that the pilot radioed that he was having technical difficulties.

It's going to be tough to get to the area, unlikely to be survivors.

[icymist]

9. That's what it looks like it is:

UPDATED: Russian plane crash in Sinai due to ‘technical failure’: Egypt

The Russian plane that crashed on Saturday morning in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula was due to a "technical failure" and was not shot down, pilot Ayman Al-Mokadem, who is heading a committee to monitor the crash's aftermath, stated.
Al-Mokadem said that the pilot sensed a technical failure and reported to the aviation authorities that he wanted to land at the nearest airport.

An aviation team is on their way to extract the black boxes to determine the reason for the crash.

A death toll has yet to be announced.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/162254.aspx

There are 217 passengers and 7 crew on board.

[beam me up scottie]

10. Thanks. I just heard there were 17 children on board.

Those poor families.

[Igel]

15. It's most likely the cause.

Tech failure accounts for most accidents.

Pilot error is probably #2. Or maybe their positions are reversed. Either way, "innocent" is the way to look at it. Airlines neither want crappy pilots nor intend for mechanical failures to happen, and errors in judgment subject to a zero-tolerance policy is just insane. Perfect people can make that kind of claim, but if they're perfect they're not going to be that harsh in their judgment.

Errors in judgment are worst on take-off and landings, when things are most complicated and planes typically need manual handling. It's also when a number of systems are stressed the most.

Too early to rule out bad things. Easiest to take down a plane with some sort of weapon, kinetic or EM-wave-based, when it's taking off or landing--it's low and slow and lacks ability to recover or mitigate impaired flight worthiness. If it's taking off, it's also a fuel-rich target. Might also be easiest to have some agent provocateur on board mess things up then when the attendants are out of the way for a few minutes.

At this point everybody's interest is in fervent and fervid denial that it could be anything but technical. The Kremlin would first have to vet and sort out the spin if it weren't technical: If it's terrorism, it has to be cause for further attacks on terrorists and not payment for attacking ISIS. If it's terrorism and local to Russia--some IS supporter from the Caucasus, let's say--the spin gets messier because then the government target has to be some internal enemy, and those have to be carefully and politically designed and designated. The Western media will sweat long and hard before declaring what comes out of the Russian media's truth factory false or even in error.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Reports are coming in saying survivors are unlikely.

It is always best to wait, but I can't imagine how horrible this must be for their relatives.

[beam me up scottie]

12. That's what I figured when I heard the news.

It's going to be a recovery mission, not a rescue.

[Fred Sanders]

14. Anyone jumping to conclusions so early to blame anyone else is not credible.

[Igel]

16. Anyone jumping in with an assertion of anything but statistical likelihood is not credible.

The only facts we have are (1) plane's down and (2) descriptive statistics derived from the historical record.

Descriptive statistics make for nice probabilities, if the assumptions hold true, but that's about it. (Dare we call that "causal profiling"?)

[Jesus Malverde]

17. That's a boatload of preemptive CT

[a la izquierda]

13. Oh how horrifying nt

[pampango]

18. Unconfirmed claim by IS in Egypt that it was responsible (maybe technically impossible).

Islamic State-linked group 'claims responsibility' for crash

A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt has claimed responsibility for shooting down the Russian passenger plane as it flew through Sinai peninsula on Saturday.

The claim was circulated by supporters on Twitter and also published on the Aamaq news website, which has been used on a semi-official basis by Islamic State to circulate propaganda in the past.

There is no confirmation from any other sources that the plane crashed as a result of terrorist activity - and Egyptian officials were quick to rule that out as a cause of the crash earlier this morning.

A report in July by military expert IHS Janes said Islamic State affiliate group Wilayat Sinai had propaganda videos in which militants fire man-portable air defence systems or MANPADS, which have been reported to reach up to 22,000 feet. The airliner was said to be travelling at least 31,000 feet before it made a steep descent as it crashed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/oct/31/russian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-egypts-sinai-live#block-5634902ee4b05da6ca74f181

[Sunlei]

19. How horrible that must have been for a plane full of tourists/vacationers. 148 were woman & children

The Airbus A-321 had just left the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, bound for the Russian city of St Petersburg

[Sunlei]

20. air speed dropped to almost nothing FAST, doesn't look like a pilot controlled attempt to 'reland'

Was just a couple years ago Russia changed the way their 'people' could take Vacations (called Holidays). No more trips and vacations where is was easy to defect.

After takeover by tourism company TH&C in 2013, began flights to international destinations popular with Russian holiday-makers