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Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
3. I think it is a list for 2015 only.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:56 AM
Nov 2015

But I am not sure if it does include all for 2015. You can also search find for past years too.
So many people killed and hurt..

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TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
5. Not trying to be a smart-ass
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:14 AM
Nov 2015

But I'm legitimately unaware of a recent rash of terror attacks by non-Muslims. The IRA generally got out of the bombing business a decade ago and when you hear about mass killings recently it seems to be related to extremist Muslims in Africa or the Middle East, and now in Europe.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
6. I recall clearly that everyone thought the Oklahoma City Bombing was a Muslim..
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:24 AM
Nov 2015

till they caught the real bomber. And the idiot who shot Gabby Giffords was not a Muslim. It is an equal opportunity deal.Mass killings for hate. But because it isn't a..bomb it doesn't count. Well, remember this....dead is dead....

calli it what you want. Look at the nuts who shoot up this or that.

.white middle aged nuts...oh it is a shooting, not a bombing..well..............dead is dead

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. McVeigh was arrested the same day, officially identified as the bomber on day three.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:54 AM
Nov 2015

The person who shot Giffords acted alone. The Paris attacks involved a large group of people planning and organizing mass murder to occur at several locations at the same time. That's the key difference, not the weapon.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
7. How about this list for you....school shootings..who kills like this?...dead is dead
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:31 AM
Nov 2015

So, is Sandy Hook much different?..is that a terrorist attack of sorts?. What about Columbine? enough terror for you.
Were those killers Muslim?....so it ain't the same as Paris. Perhaps, but the families of these dead feel the same. How do you stop this?. are these mass killings the same as what happened in Paris? Not a bombing but a shooting? remember..dead is dead..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. Coordinated murder at seveal locations around a city is in fact much different from one murderer
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015

going on a rampage. One person vs several and very clear outside support. That is a very major difference.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
10. Perhaps..but not to the victims and their families.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:02 AM
Nov 2015

Sure, a coordinated attack is awful, and outside support is too. but dead is still dead.. Then, I ask this, "If one or two murderers is so much different, why are these attacks still going on? What about Columbine which included 2 murderers...?

Now the "clear outside support" yes, ..but the end effect is exactly the same. As in the OP, the suicide bombers in all those countries still killed a whole lot of people, and we do not have the same response as we have in Paris.. Do we?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. What gives you standing to speak for the dead or their families?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:23 AM
Nov 2015

I pointed out the stark differences in this set of coordinated murders carried out by an organized group of persons and rampage killings. I take it you did not care for that.



Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
13. That's the funny thing; you never hear anyone say "Columbine was completely different from Aurora!
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

The Columbine shootings were two people working together! Not comparable at all!"

It's worth pointing out that we've been averaging almost a mass shooting a day in the U.S. If you want to see what ties together the mass killings, it's often alienated young men (not always young though, particularly the family destroyers). You're going to get many more mass killers from that demographic than from the Muslim demographic (which doesn't stop the bigots from immediately jumping on the Muslim demographic, obviously). You'll net even more violence if you look beyond simply mass killings (Many shootings caused by conflicts are again, often alienated young men).

Of course there are organizations that can use these people to their own ends in some of the cases, coordinating them and stamping an ideology on them. You're going to have higher body counts for a single day when you have 8 people all acting at the same time instead of weeks apart (and when the organization can give them a somewhat coherent plan). But such situations are just one small segment of the violence coming from angry young men.

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