Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:06 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
50,000 posts and the only mind I’ve changed is my ownThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Spazito (a host of the General Discussion forum). I’ve been on the left side of the political spectrum since the early 1970’s when I was serving in southeast Asia in the Air Force, and began seeing through the daily ration of bullshit. In the years that followed, work and family responsibilities didn’t leave much time for politics, so despite my interest and political bent I had only a superficial knowledge of what was happening. Most of what I knew I learned by reading my state’s largest newspapers. On many issues I had been led astray and was ill-informed. Then I retired in early 2008 and the free time allowed me to become much more active in politics. I campaigned for Barack Obama and was thrilled when he won. The day of his inauguration I felt more hope for my country than I ever had. Then came a series of disappointments – some of his cabinet picks and his failure to advocate for single-payer healthcare - or even a public option - really stuck in my craw. (One cabinet pick I did like was Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. I was a big fan of hers due to her advocacy for universal healthcare. I felt she would do a great job as SOS. I could have easily supported her for President had she prevailed over Obama in the 2008 primaries.) Then in 2010 I found DU (while searching for Ducks Unlimited of all things). I was hooked on the first day and joined immediately. Wow - a progressive community discussing the issues without the lies and disruptions that right-wingers inflicted on the other sites on which I had been posting. I fell in love with DU and still love DU. There’s no better site for vetting the information that the media spoon-feeds us every day. News stories are exposed as propaganda and alternative points of view are posted without the filters imposed by the corporate media. I learned that many of the “truths” I had long held were, in fact, bullshit. Right now DU is fractured as supporters of Hillary and Bernie duke it out. This is a healthy thing and I’m glad it’s happening. Neither of these candidates is perfect and it’s great that we can learn about the positives and negatives of both so that we can make the most informed choices when we cast our votes. I don’t expect to sway any Hillary fans but I do appreciate the opportunity to post about the positives and negatives of each. But my own mind was changed when I learned of Hillary’s support for the Iraq War Resolution, when I learned of the Kochs and Clintons teamig up to found the Democratic Leadership Council, when I learned how the leadership of the party I’d long supported had been infiltrated by moneyed interests and had abandoned working people. So my mind has been changed, and perhaps I’ve provided a bit of ammunition for others who are like-minded. That’s what’s so great about DU. Let the truth be your guide, and there’s no better place for determining what is true and what is not than Democratic Underground. Long may we post. Be back later; I’ve got a whole lot of snow to move. ![]()
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Scuba | Dec 2015 | OP |
Auggie | Dec 2015 | #1 | |
kairos12 | Dec 2015 | #2 | |
randr | Dec 2015 | #3 | |
closeupready | Dec 2015 | #6 | |
GummyBearz | Dec 2015 | #10 | |
clarice | Dec 2015 | #26 | |
MrScorpio | Dec 2015 | #4 | |
demwing | Dec 2015 | #5 | |
Faux pas | Dec 2015 | #7 | |
Martin Eden | Dec 2015 | #8 | |
tecelote | Dec 2015 | #9 | |
mountain grammy | Dec 2015 | #11 | |
zeemike | Dec 2015 | #12 | |
bvf | Dec 2015 | #13 | |
Half-Century Man | Dec 2015 | #14 | |
a kennedy | Dec 2015 | #15 | |
stupidicus | Dec 2015 | #16 | |
HereSince1628 | Dec 2015 | #17 | |
daybranch | Dec 2015 | #18 | |
Snotcicles | Dec 2015 | #19 | |
Dustlawyer | Dec 2015 | #20 | |
Duval | Dec 2015 | #21 | |
ljm2002 | Dec 2015 | #22 | |
WillyT | Dec 2015 | #23 | |
bigwillq | Dec 2015 | #24 | |
panader0 | Dec 2015 | #25 | |
KoKo | Dec 2015 | #27 | |
Uncle Joe | Dec 2015 | #28 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | Dec 2015 | #29 | |
Iwillnevergiveup | Dec 2015 | #30 | |
99th_Monkey | Dec 2015 | #31 | |
Spazito | Dec 2015 | #32 |
Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:10 AM
Auggie (29,501 posts)
1. You're not alone. My mind is changed too.
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:12 AM
kairos12 (11,940 posts)
2. The only change I've mined was in my couch.
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:16 AM
randr (12,039 posts)
3. There is one thing all of us on the left have in common that separates us from those on the right
Our minds are open. We are willing to allow debate and will process new information to make informed decisions.
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Response to randr (Reply #3)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:58 AM
closeupready (29,503 posts)
6. Agreed. When I encounter a closed mind in real life or here, I run fast in the other direction.
Not going to waste my energy on a pointless exercise in frustration.
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Response to randr (Reply #3)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:34 AM
GummyBearz (2,931 posts)
10. I agree to an extent
Open minded people gravitate to the left of the political spectrum. But on both sides there are those with dogmatic views, set in stone. I also have several right leaning long time friends who are extremely reasonable. But that is an exception to the rule in my experience.
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Response to randr (Reply #3)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:46 AM
clarice (5,504 posts)
26. With all due respect.... I have found that differing opinions are often not welcome. nt
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:24 AM
MrScorpio (73,501 posts)
4. Whatever we can do to keep Republicans out of the White House is a good thing
We just have to get our own shit together first.
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:55 AM
demwing (16,916 posts)
5. Congrats on the milestone!
And I know you've had a greater influence on minds than you give yourself credit
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:13 AM
Faux pas (13,388 posts)
7. Well said Scuba!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:27 AM
Martin Eden (11,853 posts)
8. You've averaged about 24 posts per day over the last 6 years!
I like this one, and recced it.
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:31 AM
tecelote (5,088 posts)
9. K&R
50,000 is a huge number. Congratulations and Thanks.
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:36 AM
mountain grammy (25,127 posts)
11. I like your posts, Scuba..
here's to 50,000 more
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:41 AM
zeemike (18,998 posts)
12. My mind changed too, but it was a gradual process.
With respect to Hillary it started when she was first elected to the senate...I was really happy about that...but then the first thing she did was sponsor a flag burning amendment that made me go hmmmm. And then she went full on war hawk that disillusioned me complexly.
As for me, I am tired of being fooled..,again and again. |
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:45 AM
bvf (6,604 posts)
13. Congrats on 50K,
and don't forget to lift with your legs, not your back (I learned that the hard way)!
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:53 AM
Half-Century Man (5,279 posts)
14. Scuba remember LSD....labor saving device, use a snow blower if you have one.
Take it easy moving snow, take breaks when you need.
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:58 AM
a kennedy (26,874 posts)
15. Your posts are the ones I look for first on ANY topic Scuba.
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:59 AM
stupidicus (2,570 posts)
16. good for you
my disliking and distrust of 3rdwayers grew throughout the first Clinton admin, and both those things have only grown since.
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:00 AM
HereSince1628 (36,063 posts)
17. Congrats on 50K. I've moved my snow...be aware it's damned wet and heavy!
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:05 AM
daybranch (1,309 posts)
18. I believe you have helped change a lot of minds. Maybe not of readers of DU
but of those leaning towards Hillary as you furnished facts and logic we could use sitting around the table or talking with friends. Thank you, Go Bernie!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:06 AM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
19. 1/24/1992 and 1/26/1992 started shaping my opinion of the Clintons. nt
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:07 AM
Dustlawyer (10,310 posts)
20. +1!!! What is that white stuff in the picture?
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:09 AM
Duval (4,280 posts)
21. Aw, Scuba, I sure have learned a lot from your posts. I've
supported Bernie since I began hearing him speak on Thom Hartmann's show on FSTV. I like his straight forward approach and his history of voting on issues I care about. DU has provided needed information since I became an activist for the Democrats and to stay well informed I return again and again to this site. I love it, too!! Now, please be careful cleaning up what looks like 6 to 8 inches of snow! We need you!!
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Response to Scuba (Original post)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:12 AM
ljm2002 (10,751 posts)
22. Nice post...
...and I read every word. But I have to say, finding DU while looking for Ducks Unlimited made me laugh out loud!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:36 AM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
23. Most Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:44 AM
bigwillq (72,790 posts)
24. Congrats on 50,000 posts!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:46 AM
panader0 (25,343 posts)
25. Here's to ya Scuba!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:49 AM
KoKo (84,711 posts)
27. Congrats, Scuba!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:51 AM
Uncle Joe (54,872 posts)
28. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for sharing, Scuba.
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:58 AM
Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)
29. I hope that everyone here is capable of making up their own minds and follow their conscience.
I find just going along with any group just to be a part of that group is rather pathetic and degrading for anyone who can think for themselves.
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:58 AM
Iwillnevergiveup (9,298 posts)
30. K&R
I too, regularly gravitate to your posts, Scuba. This one is no exception - wise words indeed.
Congratulations on your 50,000 posts...keep 'em flying. ![]() |
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:59 AM
99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)
31. Great post Scuba. Thanks to you. n/t
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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:05 PM
Spazito (46,800 posts)
32. Locking...
as per the Statement of Purpose for General Discussion:
Posts about the Democratic primaries, conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. Please consider posting your OP in General Discussion: Primaries. Thanks. |
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