Texas Loaded Gun OPEN CARRY Starts TODAY! ! ! Yay !!!

[vkkv]

Texas’ new open carry law goes into effect when the clock strikes midnight on Friday, Jan. 1, 2016.


Source: Open Carry TX, Fox, Huffington Post, Chron. Hous.

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Can my openly carried firearm be loaded?

Yes. The law makes no distinction between a loaded and an unloaded firearm. For safety purposes, we recommend every firearm be treated as if it were loaded.

What do I need before I head out the door?

We strongly recommend you purchase "gun insurance" (prepaid legal services) before you begin your OC journey. It only costs about $13 per month for peace of mind and protects you in the unfortunate event you need to use your weapon in self defense. Self Defense Fund (referral code "opencarry&quot is a sponsor of our efforts and we highly recommend them. We also recommend that you make sure you have a camera or a camera phone that can record video of any encounters with law enforcement, regardless of the type of encounter. Though negative encounters are becoming less common, this is for YOUR legal protection in court should you be unlawfully arrested or harassed.

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Supporters said the law would enhance public safety in the state of 27 million people. Texas will be the most-populous U.S. state to allow open carry. Opponents have said it could be chilling for the public to see armed people on city streets, and inside public buildings and designated stores.

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Texas also has the country's most federal firearms license holders, from manufacturers to dealers, and the state cites its relaxed gun ownership rules in lobbying gun makers to move here. The National Rifle Association has traditionally pumped tens of thousands of dollars into Texas' state political races, more than it spent many other places, though contribution totals look to be waning recently.


Read more: http://www.opencarrytexas.org/faq.html, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-gun-law_568577f3e4b06fa688825386, http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/What-Texas-Open-Carry-gun-law-actually-says-6730254.php, http://www.foxnews.c


All great advice! This is going to WORK OUT GREAT! Thank you NRA and Texas voters!

(sarcasm)

[mwrguy]

1. a million rednecks just started masturbating furiously

[vkkv]

2. They can now stroke their gun barrels in public...

Happiness is a warm gun, right?

[ileus]

49. Nope that would be illegal....brandishing always has been and will be.

[lindysalsagal]

3. Just one more reason to avoid the good-ole-boy capital of the world.

I wouldn't last a month down there.

[kentauros]

58. Sure you would!

I've lived here all of my life, without being either a good ol' boy or owning a gun (other than a BB gun as a kid, and still didn't manage to shoot my eye out.)

[jonno99]

101. Chuckles!

[Kablooie]

4. Most states already have open carry and without a license.

So this shouldn't really change anything.

[deathrind]

5. Just proves the old adage...

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it...

[Gregorian]

6. How did we ever survive as a species before guns?

It's not as if they're necessary for survival.

They had open carry rocks and sticks before, I guess.

[ManiacJoe]

73. Swords of various lengths.

[AlinPA]

7. The term "Open Carry" is misleading. A lot of people I speak with about this term say "carry" means

holding something out in the open in your hand(s) and carrying it around. A guy walking up to customer service inside a grocery store carrying a handgun/rifle in his hands does not seem to be something to cheer about.

[Arugula Latte]

26. It doesn't make me feel much better if the yahoo has his gun in holster

instead of his hand.

I see some insecure dickhead openly showing off a gun, I'm leaving the business and never returning.

[RKP5637]

77. Same here. I thought we had moved past the wild west. n/t

[LonePirate]

8. Any civilian who openly carries in a public area is a cowardly terrorist.

That gun will not keep them safe from whatever menace they fear and it only serves as a means to scare and terrorize other citizens who naturally see a stranger with a gun and they move in the opposite direction from that person.

[GGJohn]

10. Not where I live it doesn't,

it's quite common to see citizens open carrying their firearms, I don't, but I don't get all weird about it either.

[AlinPA]

16. Holstered is OK but holding a handgun in your hand and walking around with it is not something

reasonable people abide very easily. Maybe it's OK in TX but most places I've been would consider it unsafe and stupid.

[GGJohn]

18. I'm not sure if you understand what open carry means,

it means holstered, not carried in your hand, that would be brandishing, which is illegal in just about every state in the union.

[AlinPA]

20. If so, the term should be "Holstered Carry" not the misleading term.

[GGJohn]

21. Open carry refers to being able to see the firearm as opposed to concealed carry,

but you might have a good point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. what you described

carrying it in your hand, is called brandishing a weapon.

I have not looked at TX law (Don't live there) but I am sure the law does not permit me to carry a Glock 40 in my hand.

[Waldorf]

39. I live in TX and have a concealed permit. You are correct, carrying the handgun in

your hand is considered brandishing. Needs to be holstered while out in public.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. And in your pants does not count

I am willing to bet... plus you can get shot that way... err really officer was reaching for my wallet!

Sorry, that one at Home depot made me laugh. At least the gun was not hurt.

[AlinPA]

46. Apparently there is no such law as "brandishing a firearm" in PA.

After reading several articles about PA's carry law, it's hard to come to any conclusion. There are some references to threatening with a gun, but not just carrying it around in your hand(s) which seems OK.

[krispos42]

35. So then Tamir Rice deserved to be shot.

I mean, as far as the cop knew he was a terrorist.

Right?

[LonePirate]

43. Where did I say he (or anyone) deserved to be shot?

[krispos42]

74. Terrorists actively terrorizing deserve a police response, yes?

N/t

[LonePirate]

98. Arrested but not shot. I can forgive you for thinking cops only shoot and kill people, though.

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. What's the death toll so far?

In a state with that many yayhoos you'd think it would be in the thousands by now.

[GGJohn]

11. Or in my state also, where we don't even need a license to conceal carry. eom.

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. I hope they've figured out a place to put all the bodies.

They should already be piling up.

[GGJohn]

15. Like cordwood.

It's funny, but this same prediction is made every time another state liberalizes it's firearm laws, yet, nothing close to the predictions is even remotely close.
You would think they would learn from past mistakes, but alas, they don't.

[Duckhunter935]

76. was it not Georgia a couple of years ago

Everyone would be killed with blood in the streets as they changed firearms laws?

[GGJohn]

80. Yup, and Florida, and Illinois, etc. eom.

[friendly_iconoclast]

110. And Minnesota, and Ohio.... eom.

[Logical]

51. Which is idiotic. But OK. nt

[GGJohn]

52. I agree.

AZ does have the option of getting a state issued CHL to accommodate other states who have reciprocity agreements with AZ, I have one of those, I went through the classes although, according to the instructor, I didn't need to because I'm retired Army, but I did so anyways.

[Facility Inspector]

29. in Chicago?

[GGJohn]

12. Much ado about nothing. eom.

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. "Hey everbody, lookit me"

"How'm I doin" - did I impress yuh?"

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. In the meantime, on the other side of the country,

in CA, you cannot conceal carry from pre K to college, and if you are nuts, we reserve the right to take away your gun for 21 days.

[Skittles]

22. makes it easier to identify gun humping cowards

[vkkv]

50. I doubt that all open 'carriers' are men, but

damn, that sounds SEXIST!

Skittles wrote: "makes it easier to identify gun humping cowards"

[Skittles]

70. what is wrong with you?

I live in TEXAS, I know DAMN WELL gun humpers are all genders

[Aristus]

89. Okay, you're new here, so you probably don't know that

Skittles can kick your ass!

Without a gun...

[vkkv]

92. Huh?

Aristus wrote::
89. ""Okay, you're new here, so you probably don't know that

Skittles can kick your ass!

Without a gun... """"


oooooooh, I'm scared..

What the FUCK?

How am I supposed to respond?
Is this REALLY the best use of this forum? Children?

[Aristus]

95. Okay, you're new here, so you probably don't know that

"Skittles will kick your ass" has been a joke among DU-ers for as long as anyone can remember. Any time anyone runs into trouble of any kind, and Skittles is there to offer support, she or someone else will refer to Skittles' ass-kicking ability.

That's all...

[Ikonoklast]

23. Meh. Ohio has always been an OC state. Always.

No one cares.

[GGJohn]

24. Exactly,

this is all much ado about nothing.

[SwankyXomb]

27. Unless you're black

then the kops murder you and skate on the charges.

[Arugula Latte]

25. This should go well.

What a fucked-up country we live in.

[Travis_0004]

28. I agree

It has gone well in just about every other state that allows it.

Im sure texas will be no different.

[RKP5637]

78. It is F'ed up. Imagine 2016, "if" - Trump in the WH, everyone carrying guns and

some assholes running about as Trump posses looking for "them."

[Runningdawg]

30. Like my daddy always said

the best thing to ever come out of TX is I-44

[peacebird]

31. Hopefully the only people injured or killed when an OC has their gun accidentally discharge

Is another OC person....

Just read about a fool who accidentally shot himself in the buttocks when reaching for his wallet, as he was legal for carrying a gun, no charges were filed.

Then the mom with a loaded gun in the purse in the shopping cart with her toddler, & the toddler accidentally shot & killed her

[LiberalArkie]

32. I wonder who are the large "gun insurance" companies are? There just seems to be a lot of programs

these days requiring insurance of some kind.

[friendly_iconoclast]

111. The NRA is the largest gun insuror

[greg1024]

33. LOL

[OregonBlue]

34. The only upside in this seems to be that they are in fact eliminating themselves and their families

at a record rate. Not a day goes by we don't read about one of these nut jobs killing their wives, daughter, mom, dad, brother, or themselves. Sort of a self-solving problem. Stupidity and guns are just not a good mix.

[hack89]

38. You would be wrong

Gun deaths have been steadily declining for decades.

[OregonBlue]

41. That might have been true before the lastest round of gun wacko nut jobs got all

scared that Obama was gonna take their guns and started buying and carrying them in much greater numbers. But of course, we shall see. Seems to me the ones who are the most anti-Obama and the most pro-open carry are also the ones most likely to kill a family member.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. No it is still true

the reason why you are hearing it more is that media is reporting things that used to remain VERY LOCAL, as breaking national level news.

Oh and my county is an excellent example for this other dynamic. Media decided in the 1980s that if it bleeds it leads... (It was a Miami station), Crime rates are down to the point that to get the required number of THOSE STORIES they need to park units, crews, in strategic areas of the COUNTY. When they started to do that, the usual suspects provided all the necessary stories and then some.

[vkkv]

47. ""Gun deaths have been steadily declining for decades."" You ARE wrong

Gun deaths are expected to surpass automobile deaths in 2016.

Over 30K nation-wide. If you said homocides, you are correct.. but you didn't.
I don't know why you made that claim. Too much Fox News perhaps?

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html

2014 = 33,599 total fiream deaths
2008 = 31,593
1999 = 28,874

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/gun-violence-car-deaths-charts

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-many-people-will-die-from-guns-10-years-chart-2013-4

[hack89]

53. To be clear - I meant rates

Numbers per 100k people is the only accurate way to compare over decades due to population growth.

Sorry for the confusion.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Shoot me now...I read way too much statistics

I understood your meaning perfectly well.

[hack89]

54. Why the dig about Fox news?

Is it so hard to accept that Dems can be gun owners?

[vkkv]

84. Fox News generally sides with the NRA. And yes,

it is hard for some Dems to accept gun owners.

But please make all reported statistics clear.
There's a worthy saying: Communicate not so that you can be understood, but so that there can be no misunderstanding.


For four decades hunting has become less and less popular so the NRA who used to represent hunters, now propel the "home invasion", "self-protection" and 2nd Amendment hype to help their biggest clients sell more guns. That is their only goal.

I'm a gun owner as well and there are few liberal gun owners who will admit it. I DO NOT SUPPORT the NRA - their agenda is to create fear for political gain and therefore should be deemed a "terrorist group" by definition.

I have not bought into the need for "home protection", but shotguns for trap and skeet and rifles with ten or less capacity magazines are fine with me. My collection of wooden stock CZs, Rugers and a Browning long-guns are always stored unloaded and locked in a safe at home.

[hack89]

86. My family and I are competitive shooters

I too have a safe full of rifles (AR15s in my case).

I suspect we agree on many things regarding guns.

[vkkv]

91. 223s are way too loud for my enjoyment, I've been really

enjoying the .17 HMR round lately. CZ 455 Varmint in walnut. Suspended tennis balls at 125 yards with a front rest only, easy.

Have a 455 LUX in WMR and LR, a couple of 10/22s ( AcuSport LVT # 1235 is dead on) and a 12 ga. pump for clays.

Fun, fun fun.

[Recursion]

56. No, the rate has been steadily declining for two decades

I don't know why people are so resistant to an easily-verified fact.

The absolute number is may be up from 1999 (it's down from 1995, though), but the absolute number doesn't matter (India has a higher absolute number of gun deaths than Jamaica); the rate has been falling constantly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Partly perception

We looked at crime rates last year. They are down. But from watching the evening news there us no way you would deduce that. (Which incidentally was one of the reasons I spent some lovely quality time with ARJIS data)

[X_Digger]

103. Also, perception is cumulative. Every crime you hear about adds a +1 to a tally in your head.

Also, you don't remember the days that you *didn't* hear about a crime, so memory is selective that way, too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. That is also very true

[Lizzie Poppet]

82. Non-suicide gun deaths are indeed falling, though.

[krispos42]

36. And nothing will happen.

Just like pot legalization and marriage equality, the concerns are all thunder and no blast.

[Waldorf]

37. You still need to have a concealed carry permit to openly carry. So if somebody sees an open

carry, they were already carrying but it was concealed.

[vkkv]

87. Not quite:: Long arms do not require a license.

Check out the FAQ at http://www.opencarrytexas.org/


Can I lawfully open carry a firearm in Texas?

Yes, as of January 1, 2016, you can carry any handgun openly or concealed as long as you are licensed by Texas or a state with reciprocity. By law, the handgun must be carried in a "shoulder or belt holster." Long arms do not require a license.



Can I open carry at my university or college?
​No, while campus carry is legal as of August 1, 2016, it must remain concealed and you must have a handgun license. To get a license you must be at least 21 years of age.


Can everyone open carry?
​No, a person convicted of certain crimes cannot carry a firearm, and minors under 18 years old cannot openly carry without a parent present. Generally if you can lawfully possess a firearm, you can open carry with a license. Federal laws must also be considered when discussing the legality of firearm ownership.


I live out of state, can I open carry in Texas?
Yes. There are no residency restrictions to legal open carry as long as you possess a handgun license.


Can my openly carried firearm be loaded?

Yes. The law makes no distinction between a loaded and an unloaded firearm. For safety purposes, we recommend every firearm be treated as if it were loaded.


I already have a CHL. Will I need to get another license to open carry?

No. Your concealed handgun license will "qualify" you to openly carry a handgun. The CHL will become just a handgun license.


I heard there is additional training for open carry. Do I need to retake the class?

No, the new training will be added to the CHL classes as mandated by the law for those required to take the class. No additional training required for current CHL holders.


Am I required to use a "retention holster?"

​No. While we recommend a retention holster to better ensure that your firearm remains secure while carried openly or concealed, there is no requirement to have any specific type of holster.


What kind of holster am I required to use and how can I carry it?

The law says clearly that openly carried handguns must be carried "in a shoulder or belt holster" that is "on or about the person." The law does not define what a "shoulder or belt holster" is, so this is largely left up for interpretation. To ensure you don't violate the law, use either a holster specifically designed to be worn around or hung from the shoulder or one that is attached the belt in some way.


Can I open carry using an inside the waistband (IWB) holster?

Yes, provided it is attached to the belt, it meets the law requiring a "belt" holster. You cannot open carry in your pocket, appendix or the small of your back without a holster.

MORE AT LINK UNDER "FAQ"

[Waldorf]

100. Everybody here has been discussing handguns, not long guns.

[TeddyR]

42. Much ado about nothing

Texas is the 45th state to permit open carry. Only a handful don't, including those bastions of liberalism Florida and South Carolina. And of course DC, which is a really "safe" place to live.

[B Calm]

44. We'll be reading articles about right wing fruit cakes accidentally shooting their foot.

[ileus]

48. Welcome to the fold 44th State with OC.

Stop being afraid...

[-none]

55. What are those that think they must carry in public afraid of?

The are the one that are carrying deadly weapons in public, for personal protection.

[GGJohn]

60. Why is it that your type always think it has to do with fear?

[-none]

62. My type? My type?

My type has a problem with the high number of gun shot victims in this country, both dead and alive.
You seem to be one of the ones that think you need to be armed in public. Why else but fear? Or is it just paranoia?
Only about 30 percent of the population are gun owners and most of them own more than one weapon. Most many more than one. The rest of us don't feel the need. So yes, it is fear on the gunners side, for public carrying. Even the Wild West wasn't this crazy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Unlike the Wild West of Hollywood lore

There was actual gun control. Hell, open carry was not just tightly regulated, but not allowed in many towns by local ordinance. The famous shooting at the OK Corral was actually over precisely that in part.

Not that you would know from watching the movie.

The myth of the Wild West does not stand to the reality. Part of the problem is that proportionally guns are far cheaper these days than they were back then.

[-none]

65. The wild west was tamer and had better gun control than we do now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Precisely

But the myth helps to get this far more...like the Wild West. I blame Hollywood for that one.

[GGJohn]

68. Oh so you're saying that in the old west, before you could buy a firearm

you had to have a federally mandated background check?
Very few western towns had any gun control and those that did, it was only in the "respectable" part of the town, the red light district of those few towns didn't have any gun control.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. Many historical studies of wills show gun ownership

Was far less than it is believed. No background checks did not do this. The price of fire arms and ammo did.

This is why weapons were passed from father to son, and some people kept using muskets well after things like winchesters came around.

And yes, towns did have these. Nothing more than local ordinances. Some only in the respectable areas, others the full town. And local ordinances were different from town to town. Many came from the perceived, or real, need to control Cowboys coming from the trail.

It is a fascinating area of study. But nope, the west, the real thing, did not last more than a generation, and it is very different than what Hollywood studios have created. The latter started with the romanization of the old west and a world that was with Cody's show.

[-none]

75. Making up your own facts again?

In many, if not most towns of any size you checked your gun/s in with the sheriff or bar tender when you arrived and picked them up when you left. This had nothing to do with buying any firearms.

[jonno99]

104. I have heard this too. But keep in mind they also hung horse thieves. Tolerance

of law-breakers was much lower than today...

[DustyJoe]

79. wild wild west

New Mexico has always allowed 'open carry'.

You see very few people carrying other than a random holstered handgun. I've lived here since 1955 and other than people walking to a favorite plinking spot have never seen an openly carried long gun other than a rancher with a rifle rack in their pickup window.

Once the novelty has worn off I believe the AR/AK carrying crowd will settle down and leave them at home. Then the only AKs carried openly will be the drugrunners on the southern border.

In 60 years of my experience with open carry, surprisingly few guns are seen in public. I guess you live in the wild west long enough you find out the 'wild' is mainly in peoples minds, not reality. I have never open carried a firearm other than when on duty as a patrolman back in the 80's. All the hoopla will wear off and people just won't see the need to walk around with a firearm, but will have the right to do so if they feel they need to.

[beevul]

81. This is a myth.

The wild west was tamer and had better gun control than we do now.

This is a myth, and its provable that its a myth.

All one need to is compare gun laws now vs then...And it isn't even close.


You sir, are the one making up their own facts.

[-none]

83. Really?

By the 1880s many in the west were fed up with gun violence. Gun control, they contended, was absolutely essential, and the remedy advocated usually was usually no less than a total ban on pistol-packing.
The editor of the Black Hills Daily Times of Dakota Territory in 1884, called the idea of carrying firearms into the city a “dangerous practice,” not only to others, but to the packer himself. He emphasized his point with the headline, "Perforated by His Own Pistol."

>SNIP<

Cowboy president Theodore Roosevelt recalled with approval that as a Dakota Territory ranch owner, his town, at the least, allowed "no shooting in the streets." The editor of that town's newspaper, The Bad Lands Cow Boy of Medora, demanded that gun control be even tighter than that, however. Like leaders in Miles City and many other cow towns, he wanted to see guns banned entirely within the city limits. A.T. Packard in August 1885 called "packing a gun" a "senseless custom," and noted about a month later that "As a protection, it is terribly useless.”

https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~rcollins/scholarship/guns.html

Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?
While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.

When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that "any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law." Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona--the site of the infamous "Shootout at the OK Corral"--also barred the carrying of guns openly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/did-the-wild-west-have-mo_b_956035.html

And so on...
Google 'old west gun control' for much more.

[beevul]

85. Yes. Really.

You can quit with the cute links, they don't empirically support your myth.


Here, lets make two piles:

Pile A: pre-1900 gun laws. This is the pile that should have the lions share of entries, if your myth were true. Also keep in mind, there are essentially no such thing as federal gun laws yet pre-1900, or felons, or prohibited persons, or firearms prohibiting offenses.

A few towns in the west had gun carry laws








Pile B: post-1900 gun laws. This is the pile that should have the least amount of entries, if your myth were true. And yet this is where the majority, the OVERWHELMING majority, of the entries end up.

national firearms act of 1934

gun control act of 1968

FOPA of 1986

Bract bill of 1994

Lautenberg amendment

10+ thousand state, county, and local gun laws which did not exist pre-1900.

The FFL system




The notion that the wild west had 'better gun control' than we do now, is so laughable that it borders even being discussion worthy.

Would you trade away all the current gun laws nationwide, in return for 'wild west gun law' nationwide?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. I am sorry if I will take the word

Of well..historians who have looked closely at it, than you.

[beevul]

93. I don't take anyones word.

I investigate for myself. And I'm not the least bit sorry about it.

Its easy to believe sources which agree with what you wish were so, but that's not what a good journalist should do. I think you know that deep down.

The good, credible objective journalist, investigates for themselves.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Except that you can go check this out if you choose to do that as well

Many archives are increasingly digitized.

And why would a historian want to tell me fantasies? By your logic, the only thing you can confirm is what you have experienced yourself. Apart of a tad silly statement, pull it to the logical end, I am not real. D-Day never happened and you are the only thing or person alive, and those you can physically confirm, maybe, exist. It's an interesting premise for fiction, and brings a whole new meaning to Shoeringers cat. But hey, what can I say?

[beevul]

96. And I have.

Except that you can go check this out if you chose to do that as well

And I have, which is why I can accurately claim that there is no factual basis to the claim that gun control in the wild west was somehow more or somehow better than what gun control exists now. Because it is factually true, that nearly all gun control ever enacted in America was enacted after the year 1900.

And why would a historian want to tell me fantasies?

I have no idea what you were told. Nor do I have any idea by whom you were told it. Nor do I have any idea whether the teller was competent at the telling. Nor do I have any idea if you were presented accurate information.

What I do know, is the fact the almost all gun law in America happened post 1900. That is not debatable, because its empirical fact. So absent some lost civilization of gun laws in the wild west with all the modern day gun law equivalents that was tragically swallowed into the sand like Hamunaptra and forgotten, the wild west never had comparable gun laws to begin with.

This really is not hard.

By your logic, the only thing you can confirm is what you have experienced yourself.

No. By MY logic, this is a simple comparison of gun laws before 1900 to gun laws post 1900.

Pre-1900 loses just on the bulk of federal gun control laws which did not exist in the wild west, alone.

Like it or not, that breaks the myth. Busted. And nobody needs a historian to to tell them that, or to understand that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. So you are telling me that

Towns did not pass local gun control laws? And your argument is since this is not federal Toombste did not have local ordinances that were enforced? Or that if the people involved at the OK Corral had turned in their guns no famous shooting?

Strange standard you got there. No historian has said these were federal. You knew that.

As of now we are done. No sense in trying to have a fruitful discussion. It is like when climate change denialists conflate weather and climate.

Have an excellent day

[beevul]

106. Nope.

So you are telling me that Towns did not pass local gun control laws?

Nope. If I were telling you that, I'd have said "Towns did not pass their own local gun control laws". But since I didn't...

The myth in question, was this:

The wild west...had better gun control than we do now."

That's broad, unqualified, and factually untrue. AKA a myth, a reality that never was.

And your argument is since this is not federal Toombste did not have local ordinances that were enforced?

I made no such argument. My argument, is that a few scattered local ordinances about gun carry, mixed with ZERO laws about ownership, manufacturing, possession, does not and can not constitute"better gun control than we have now" in any relevant measurable comparable way. The two eras are as far apart in terms of gun control as gas is from solid.

Are you really going to come in here with a strait face, and say publicly that you'd trade away all the gun laws we have now, if we could just get those lost wild west uber gun control laws back?

Or that if the people involved at the OK Corral had turned in their guns no famous shooting?

The only one even mentioning the ok corral here is you.

No historian has said these were federal. You knew that.

I never claimed otherwise. Are you sure you're replying to the right post?

As of now we are done.

You are, at any rate.

No sense in trying to have a fruitful discussion.

Judging by the creative way you interpret my posts to say and mean things they plainly didn't, I'm not so sure you were ever intent on having a discussion, fruitful or otherwise, in the first place. I rather think you're just trying to distract at this point, in defense of a busted myth.

It is like when climate change denialists conflate weather and climate.

Yeah, except you are the one doing the denying. Again, the myth is busted, anyone that cares can go verify that for themselves, and no amount of pseudo-authoritative-histobabble can change that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. The myth of the wild west is what is a myth

you carry on in believing that myth, and all that goes with it.

[beevul]

108. Thats a cute assertion, posted without evidence...

Thats a nice assertion, posted without evidence, I believe I'll dismiss it equally without evidence.


Meanwhile, you go on asserting that a few scattered gun carry laws throughout the old west, is in some way 'better' than the thousands of state local and federal gun laws on the books today.

I'll actually believe that you believe its true, the minute you start advocating that we do away with current laws and return to the better stricter laws of the old west.

I wont hold my breath, since the facts of the matter speak for themselves.

[GGJohn]

64. I'm not generally armed when I go into town, the only time I CC is when we go out of state and I

assure you that it isn't because of fear, that's your own opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

You have no way of proving that only 30% of the population is armed, I know polls say so, but it's just as likely that fewer and fewer people are admitting to owning firearms, the % could very well be much higher.

[ronnie624]

72. As if it's not, lol.n/t

[moondust]

61. "enhance public safety"

[Iggo]

66. Same difference.

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[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

69. The roughest, toughest, mean ol’ hombres

[Rex]

88. Sweet! I cannot wait to walk around with all my penises hanging out for the world to see!

Because I am a BIG MAN!

[Sunlei]

97. Do the Texas open carry people need to have a current "federal firearms license" ?

[GGJohn]

99. No, a Federal Firearm License is for the purpose of being in the business of selling

firearms, TX residents that want to open carry are required to possess a Concealed Handgun License.

[brettdale]

109. More Questions

"If I see a Black boy with skittles in his pocket in a nice neighbor, can I chase him with my gun,
then when he tries to defend himself, can i shoot him dead and then can I use my phone call
at the police station to call Sean Hannity?"

"If someone pushes in in the line at starbucks, can I make sure they know I have a gun to teach them a
lesson not to do it again."

"During the election can I walk up and down the voting booths next to African americans and ask them
for their ID."

"Can I walk into a mosque and say "Its my right to be in here with my gun"

If there is a shooting somewhere can I randomly fire hoping to hit the bad guy"

"Can I blame the liberal media on Fox news, for every shooting"

"Can I go to people I dont know and say they not a patriot because they dont own a gun"

"If I shoot a Hispanic man, would that be less of a sentence thatn if i shoot one of those muslims
or a black"